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Quote by ohmygoshainuyashaDid you know Jeb Bush has a son named George Bush... and I hear he will be a contender in the political races. At least, I think it is Jeb's son...
Nader took enough votes away from Gore in the 2000 election for Bush to win. That is why Nader is so low-key this year. He was a major influence in the last election.

Nader was also an influence in this election. He took enough votes away from Kerry that Bush won again. It's no wonder the Republican Party donated to his campaign. -_-

If Kerry was elected, he would pull out of Iraq. He didn't support the war. This isn't to say he didn't support the troops. He's a veteran, he understands. But he didn't support the war once he realized what it turned into. Just like the rest of the American people, he was lied to by the President.

This was the first year I could vote, and I voted. For Kerry. I didn't approve of Bush winning in the first election, and I don't approve of him winning now. But this time... he did it honestly. The last election was won by cheating, and that's all I have to say about it. I don't want to think about what Dumb & Dumber will do this term. -_-'

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Maybe do not matter for me (I am not of u.s.a) but the truth is not very good the -
presidents' re-election, is not not good at all, so if in 4 years he governed in a "strange" way (for not saying that bad) what will he do with four more years?? I do not believe that he changes.

Quote by autumnchillso im guessing that many people here dont like bush? including me? well, there we go, lets protest! no, im just jk, but if you want to, go ahead, no one's stopping you
in my opinion, i think two are complete idiots, but im more for kerry...cuz' like you all said, bush started the whole war, and im thinking there could have been a better way than to have war on iraq

i agree. though they're idiots. i just for kerry.

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Quote by Queen-Of-The-DamnedActually,Kerry surrendered!We saw it on TV today.ICK!!!I HATE bush!!


Kerry conceded, and very gracefully he did. The election was already decided this morning (more or less) During a message he sent to Bush and in his concession speech, he spoke of a unified America which I am hopeful that people can see because division is what breaks nations. Whether you support Kerry or Bush, bickering it out like little kids is the last thing you should be doing.

Surrendered,conceeded,whatever.Either way,Bush won & it sucks.

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Well it seems that a Bush supporter among this group will really get a cold shoulder. Sorry to hear that.

Personally, I would not want to trust someone who claims to be a practicing member of his religion, who then votes time and again to support medical practices that are completely contrary to his church's beliefs.

From a philosophical standpoint, lets look at the Democratic party for a moment. They support the individual, right? They want everyone to be safe from clutches of big business. Fair enough; when acting in a predatory manner, business needs to be held off --that how unions came about.
What about their stand to support abortion? To support euthenasia? Let's see -- let's make it legal to kill unborn babies, and "undesirable" persons. Not much concern for the "individual" from this perspective, is there?
When you take these into account, along with a desire to socialise medicine, socialise government and provide so many welfare program (who will pay for these, pray tell?), I am reminded of the agenda of the former Soviet Union. Except the Soviet Union would never have supported gay marriages....

As far as the issue of the Iraqi war, is there not the small matter of 2 WTC towers that are missing from the New York skyline? What did the thousands of innocent people going to work the morning of 9/11 do to deserve to be bombed out of existence?? Have you noticed how no one mentions them anymore?

I can understand people's frustration with the "war". But I am curious to know if the world is so indifferent to its people, that no one cares about the atrocities being committed in Iraq before the US intervened. such things as Saddam's brother torturing Olympic athletes who did not compete successfully. Or the near annihilation of the local nomadic people who lived in the northwestern part of the country (I believe they were called the Kurds).

And lets talk about the news. That is something everyone likes, because they tell us everything, right? Well, try this one on for size. As many of you in the US know, there are not enough Flu vaccines around to immunize everyone at risk for this Flue season. Whose fault is this, I wonder?
Where were those Flu vaccinations coming from? NOT from an American pharmaceutical firm, that is for certain. No, there was an outside firm, that had to be shutdown for health reasons, which were making something like 45+ million vials of the flu serum for us. Now, you may ask, well why does the US have to go abroad for something like a flu vaccine?

Well, the answer is due to the expense that Flu vaccine production incurs. In other words, there is not really a significant profit to be made for anyone who produces it. Now, it turns out that American pharmaceutical firms DID make the Flu vaccine years ago. Until the 1980s, American companies were willing to provide this "public service" (if you will), without worrying too much about the expense.

But when they were sued for $5,000,000 because one man in North Carolina got the Flu, they understandably did not want to stay in the business. I mean, how many companies do you know that could suffer that kind of economic loss? Take a wild guess who was the lawyer who successfully sued for the NC man? None other than John Edwards! The person many people here voted to be their next VP.

And then there is the economy. Oh yes, we are in such economic woes. Wait a moment, the Dow Jones is about 10,000 points? Mortgage Interest rates are below 8 percent? Sure, there are job losses, but jobs come and they go. Also, the American economy is so complicated that often the impact of one specific action or set of actions is not completely felt for years to come (line in the next Presidency? So we blame him, for what the previous guy did? that sure sounds fair).

If there is one item in recent American politics that I am personally disgraced by, it would be that William Jefferson Clinton was voted into a second term of office -- and I believe it had already surfaced that he was an Adulterer. What kind of message was that sending to the world?

i am so glad people are voicing their opinions! That is important, as is the right to get out an vote! Just remember that at any time you may not always get the full story. And the news media seems to have a very specific slant. Pay close attention, and you may notice how when something bad happens for a political candidate, you hear all about it, but if something good happens, what then?

i would think we can all agree that no-one is ALL bad, so it would seem strange when nothing good is ever reported for someone......

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Quote by egnirysIndeed it is Bush's fault. He's finishing his father's war that was
never finished. It's no coincidence that when Bush, Sr. was in office
there was a war in Iraq, and now that Bush, Jr.'s in office, there's
another war in Iraq. Not to mention that there are US companies
drilling for oil in Iraq now. So, what do you think this war is
really about?

Whoop Whoop! The oil argument. You may not have noticed, but oil prices have been increasing in the US. Why would anyone start a business venture in something so costly, it's nearly unprofitable?

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Quote by Vagrant123If we weren't in a war, I definitely would be for
Kerry. But we are in a war, and Bush has the firm resolve to handle it.
You can't just pull out because the people want it. Hell, if civilians
were the military experts, everything would probably still be in the
feudal system.


That's a very interesting point but...isn't it Bush's fault we're in
the war in the first place?

Yes and no. The situation in Iraq has been festering for years since Bush Sr. Saddam continually denied UN inspectors or tricked them. As far as was known, he was denying the treaty set after the Gulf War. It was Bush's choice to take the initiative. It could've been the last president, or the next president, but eventually, somebody would've had to act on Iraq. So Bush took sooner rather than later. You have to keep in mind, most democratic presidents wouldn't go to war, because it would hurt their reputation. Bush knew it would hurt his reputation, but Iraq needed to be dealt with.

(I'm curious, why is it that on most online forums I go to, most people are liberal?)

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jackalx66

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well..
what can we do, afan
things that happen can be changed easily u know..
*actually i don't like bush, he take too much war on his position*
well hope now he be calm down for 4 year

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Quote by MabuiThis is so sad... I feel for all americans that's gonna be stuck with
Bush for four more years... I can only say one thing and thats; Thank
god I don't live in the USA.

you said that!, but the mexican's are affected with this desition too!!! [like the others people in latinamerica and the people that lives in canada]

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Quote by Vagrant123Whoop Whoop! The oil argument. You may not have noticed, but oil prices have been increasing in the US. Why would anyone start a business venture in something so costly, it's nearly unprofitable?

I have no idea. Bush Jr. has run at least one oil company in the past, and it's failed. Oh, and it was funded by the Bin Ladens. That's no coincidence. -_-'

Quote by Vagrant123Yes and no. The situation in Iraq has been festering for years since Bush Sr. Saddam continually denied UN inspectors or tricked them. As far as was known, he was denying the treaty set after the Gulf War. It was Bush's choice to take the initiative. It could've been the last president, or the next president, but eventually, somebody would've had to act on Iraq. So Bush took sooner rather than later. You have to keep in mind, most democratic presidents wouldn't go to war, because it would hurt their reputation. Bush knew it would hurt his reputation, but Iraq needed to be dealt with.

I forget who it was, but someone brought up the Twin Towers. I should note this had nothing to do with Iraq, they weren't behind it at all. Saddam Hussein was not an innocent man, not by any means. Something had to be done, but as even the Iraqi people have said, we're ruining their country and they want the US out. But yes, it's true. Iraq was a ticking time bomb and something had to be done, but Bush needs to know when it's time to pack it up and call it a day. Most democrat presidents wouldn't have gone to war because it's another Viet Nam. A brutal, unnecessary war that's supported by very few members of the US population. I've met very few people who approve of this war, but I do live in a very liberal state.

Quote by Vagrant123(I'm curious, why is it that on most online forums I go to, most people are liberal?)

Most people on online forums are younger, and you're bound to have more liberal people in the younger population. My mother rarely uses the computer, and I'm pretty sure the internet is used by people of the younger generation. This doesn't hold true for everyone, but the younger generations tend to have more liberal viewpoints. Or if not liberal, then definitely not conservative. It varies from board to board, and person to person. It seems this one has a high liberal population, and I almost feel sorry for conservatives with people like me around. -_-'

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so bush won -_- so much war on this blue planet...and that would be continued now -_-
i was for kerry...but no...this 2 points for bush...arrrgh

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Um...yeah...the scary thing is that bush gets whatever he wants from now on. whatever HE wants. This is because now the government is entirely super republican majority. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! and i repeat ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well California is still ok cuz we have Arnold. He will have to call for a...TOTAL RECALL....ha....haha.....hahahhaha... not that funny

exentric

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yah... I heard it in da news couple of hours ago
Bush actually won... NOO!!
though I dont live in the states... I hate Bush!!
bush wo daikirai!!!! >_<

I heard Bush won the popular vote by 2 million :o . Crazy. However, i suppose it'll probably be worse if Kerry won and pulled out of Iraq without having everything settled. Also, it'll be interesting to see who Bush bombs next.

FTM -9 >.<

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this is sad.... i hate bush.. he's too violent.. and he's dumber than i am.. i meant iq wise. lol.. he's not the right person to be the leader of the most power country in the world.. glad im not in US ..lol but still what are the reasons which makes the american to like bush? bush is bring the US economic down from the world, their earnings in merchidise is droping to negative.. a downfall of a top nation affects the world's economy to every corner... haha i love studying economics.. it's all in a chain... but stilll my summurizations is bush should trip and fall on the street, which is "pk" if some of you knows chinese

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Quote by Vagrant123If we weren't in a war, I definitely would be for Kerry. But we are in a war, and Bush has the firm resolve to handle it. You can't just pull out because the people want it. Hell, if civilians were the military experts, everything would probably still be in the feudal system.


That's a very interesting point but...isn't it Bush's fault we're in the
war in the first place?


You cant really blame Bush for us being at war... It was a Terrorist Attack... it's not like Bush went and said "Hey why don't we get some foreigners to come and bomb the Twin Towers???" I am simply making a point. I'm not all too upset that Bush won the election but I was kinda hoping Nader would win... XD.

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Quote by doomsong06You cant really blame Bush for us being at war... It was a Terrorist Attack... it's not like Bush went and said "Hey why don't we get some foreigners to come and bomb the Twin Towers???" I am simply making a point. I'm not all too upset that Bush won the election but I was kinda hoping Nader would win... XD.

Nader will never win an election, and I'm glad he won't. But all the people who voted for other party candidates... if they had gotten together and voted for Kerry, it would have made the difference and he could have won. Even Michael Moore encouraged people to vote for Kerry cos it was the only way to unseat Bush. I can only imagine what he's saying today...

Well... Bush may not have said that, but he knew about it before it happened and he didn't do anything to prevent it. What did he do? He went on vacation. There are, however, dubious connections between Bush and the person/group supposedly behind the attack on the WTC.

Quote by doomsong06You cant really blame Bush for us being at war... It was a Terrorist Attack... it's not like Bush went and said "Hey why don't we get some foreigners to come and bomb the Twin Towers???" I am simply making a point. I'm not all too upset that Bush won the election but I was kinda hoping Nader would win... XD.


Do you know why there was a terrorist attack? That's because Bin Laden
was a Muslim and U.S was threating them. That's WHY they attacked...
and our pasts with Bin Laden haven't been friendly (before 9/11).

O ffs. Here comes another term of heavy-handed oppression and complete disregard for international opinion. If WW3 doesn't wipe us off the earth than global warming due to his refusal to sign Kyoto will. GG Bush.

Biologically speaking, if something bites you, its probably female.

I thought the terrorist where from Saudi Arabi not Iraq
And if it was about WMD's why aint we invade N. Korea
cant believe u Ohio and the ppl bush screwed over voted for him again *sigh*

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Quote: Oh, and it was funded by the Bin Ladens. That's no coincidence.

Never heard of a family called the "Bin Ladens." ;-)

But really. Why in the hell would terrorists fund Bush? There's no logical explanation, and being Muslim extremists, one would think all their money would be spent on weaponry. So I ask, where did you pick up this 'fact'?

Quote: Something had to be done, but as even the Iraqi people have said, we're ruining their country and they want the US out.

The insurgents said that. It's kind of a duh that insurgents want us out. What you're not being told, is that Iraqi civilians ARE NOT stupid. They know that the instant we leave them unprepared, there will be a huge power vacuum, just waiting for another dictator to come along. And thus, the Iraqi's don't actually want us to leave.

Quote: Bush needs to know when it's time to pack it up and call it a day. Most democrat presidents wouldn't have gone to war because it's another Viet Nam.

The instant we pull out, it will be a Vietnam. That's why we aren't going to pull out. We're not going to have let all those civilians and soldiers die in vain. From what I'm getting, you think we should've just stormed the place, and removed Saddam. Then Iraq would be at square one again, humongous power vacuum waiting for a hostile takeover or new dictator.

Quote: A brutal, unnecessary war that's supported by very few members of the US population.

The reason most people voted for Bush during the elections was because of the war... I would be slow to say that a few members of the US supported it, if I were you.

Quote: Or if not liberal, then definitely not conservative. It varies from board to board, and person to person.

Heh... I'm trying to be moderate, but some things that liberals say drive me up walls. And yes, I'm of the 'younger generation.' :)

Quote: Nader will never win an election, and I'm glad he won't

One thing I do agree with you on. XD

Quote: There are, however, dubious connections between Bush and the person/group supposedly behind the attack on the WTC.

The only real dubious connection was back during the Cold War, when the US supported Bin Laden in his fight against the Soviet Union. He was trained by the CIA, which is one of the reasons we can't find him easily.

Egnirys, if you don't mind my asking, where do you live?

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bush had a huge fund so he could do more things. but kerry tried his best, but i'm disappointed in him =(

1. There are no US companies drilling in Iraq. There are a few companies involved in oil that won contracts to rebuild damaged pipes and whatnot, but the relatively minor damage to such areas mean they didn't really have much to do.

2. The "Bin Ladens" are not all terrorists. It's foolish and actually quite dangerous to think so. Their entire family views Osama as an outcast, and the other members are quite content with their western life-style. Successful architects, creating perfume products, traveling the world. They don't share Osama's views at all, and so to group them with him is unfair to say the least.

3. The vacation argument. Oh how I love it. It seems too many liberal kiddies watched Farhenheit 9/11 and never bothered to check up on Michael Moore's shady "facts" and "reporting". In fact, Michael Moore counted weekends, time spent at Camp David, and time at Bush's ranch in Texas. Basically, whenever Bush wasn't physically IN the White House, was considered vacation time. But sorry to say, simply because Bush isn't in the White House, doesn't mean he's on vacation. Presidents are constantly traveling the country, as Bush did during his "vacation" time. Camp David is a fully equipped presidential headquarters and many world leaders have met with the president there, including Tony Blair. Bush entertained Vladimir Putin at his ranch in Texas. So basically, he was always working, just not AT the White House.

4. At the onset of the war, most people supported it, and about half the country still does, so to say that its supported by very few people is just an outright lie.

5. Invading North Korea would spell certain doom for South Korea. I have family there, and don't want to see North Korea's thousands of artillery peices aimed at the Seoul to obliterate the millions living within. Bush is taking a diplomatic and more multi-lateral approach to this problem, to defuse it without sparking a nuclear war. Isn't that a good thing?

6. There's much evidence to suggest that global warming is a completely natural cycle, and that we're merely coming up on the warming trend. Even if that isn't the case, the Kyoto treaty did next to nothing to stop the release of pollutants. The countries that are growing the fastest in terms of industrialization and therefore pollutants, were not included in the treaty. Countries like China, Brazil, and the like. There were many loopholes in the treaty, in which countries merely exported their trash or whatnot to other countries that weren't bound by the treaty to have it burned there. Wow, sure saved a whole lot of earth with THAT move. And lastly, the US economy was set back due to accepting the terms of the treaty. It was most unfavorable to the US, and I'm glad we backed out.

7. Killing/Capturing Osama does almost nothing for our war on terrorism. And make no mistake, it is a war on terrorism, not Al-Queda. Osama is merely the figurehead, he does no planning, and Al-Queda is designed to continue without him. So even if he's killed/captured, the organization continues to exist, and continues to threaten the United States. It would merely be an image victory. On the other hand, attacking countries that have long supported terrorism, not just Al-Queda, but anti-western, anti-american terrorist movements, will have long term beneficial effects. If you're truly looking to make America safer, just taking out Al-Queda won't do it, you need to change the middle east, as it's the spawning grounds for such ideas.

8. Yes, the hijackers were BORN in Suadi Arabia, but that does not mean they were trained there. You look at where they were trained, Afghanistan. That's where the hatred lies, the support from the Taliban, the ability to create the terrorists.

9. There are no connections at all between Bush and the perpetrators of 9/11, other than the fact they're all people I guess.

10. Bush won the popular vote by 3.8 million. Quite a decisive victory, and he is the first president to win a majority of the vote since his father.

11. Bush did have a huge fund left over from the campaign. About $22 million according to CNN. But so did Kerry, in fact, Kerry had about $25 million. They both held onto the money in preparation for the anticipated legal battles. Fortunatly, Kerry had the grace and maturity to realize he had lost Ohio, and therefore the election. If I hadn't respected him before, I sure respect him now. He had the potential to ruin the election, and cause further division within the population, instead he conceded, and called for re-unification.

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Wow I am very impressed Flower, you have put forth a very definitive argument that states the truth for all those Bush-bashers out there. It's sad to see so many people in these forums *cough egnirys* who bash Bush as if their life depended on it. Thank you Flower for actually providing facts against these hateful messages against Bush, I was starting to feel alone in these left wing liberal posts. :sweat:

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