This thread is to consider and suggest what the rules are for vectors, since we
seem to be throughoutly discussing this in the SB.
the question is, where do vectors fit when it comes to making walls of
them?
well, i think any submission on MT is brought in by the member to showcase
[ie:scans and doujinshi] to make walls out of. This is why all scans must be in
colour, because wallers need to be able to use them for wallpapers.
Obviously you cannot 'rip;, but you use scans to make them out of, and give
proper credit. [shrugs] vectors are almost homemade transfers, so i dont
know,
i think regardless if someone uses a vector/doujinshi/scans... they need to give
credit. So if a member uses a vector from MT, they need to give proper credit.
what do you think? we need to come up with a rule so that if anymore vectors are
made into walls, we know if its considered a 'rip' or a regular wall.
Essentially, do vectors fit under a doujinshi or
something else? I believe another category should be made to accomidate
the new type of art on MT
mmh in my eyes everyone should give a credit to the person which made the
doujinshi or the vector art. its not very fair to use someones work without a
credit - with a permission it would be nicer . so i
think if some write in the discription 'ask me for the permission' so the waller
must ask .. if there is nothing standig, imo a simply credit will be okay.
exactly my thoughts. But can vectors be used for walls or is it ripping someones
work? where do vectors fit? under art or scans? neither? if so- what can we
determine? if a member makes a wall out of doujinshi [very very rare] don't they
need permission from the artist, at the minimum give credit?
well i dont know. depends on the maker of the actual vector. i mean, if i make a
vector, i can use it to make my own wall, but it would be a rip if someone else
used it right?
I agree with Asahi. Proper credit. As Belmikry pointed out the purpose of
posting scans and doujinshi is to provide wallers with high quality material
(and for leechers to leech the hq scans :P) The same ought to apply to vectors.
If you want to use a vector in your wall you must give a proper credit to its
author. But at the same time I think that it would be nice to officialy ask for
permission to use somebody's vector in a wall (ideal but probably unrealistic,
as even with submitting scans people have problems with proper crediting )
Just like using a scan to create a wallpaper, I'll give out a very common,
straight-forward answer.
1. Ask the artist in charge whether or not his or her vector should be used in
place.
2. If accepted, the vector must be linked appropriately so that the artist gets
the recognition he or she deserves.
The funny part about this, and the real controversy is that if the vector artist
does not agree that his or her vector should be placed on a wallpaper, wouldn't
it be funny because as Belmikry has stated out earlier, that would be out of the
question because the vector was clearly made out of a scan in the first place -
and thus who would take full credit and ownership of this finished image, after
doing so?
In my honest opinion, a vector came out of a scan, and as such, I believe any
wallpaper artist should be allowed to use these vectors. I'm sure the artist
might be frustrated and all that, but who ultimately drew the art in the first
place, right? I don't think the vector artist should claim it all as their own,
even though they tried their hardest to make it themselves. Therefore, I think
it should be permissible by all means and not declared a
"rip."
Proper crediting the vector work of the image though is a good idea though.
That's from my opinion.
My feeling is, vector is basically tracing the original artwork, which to me
makes it a form of fanart (or in this community, doujinshi). While it's near
impossible to contact the original artists in Japan, it is not nearly as
difficult to contact the creator of a vector to ask permission first. And of
course, proper credit is part and parcel of the deal.
Frankly, this is why I don't post my vector-only art on MT, only the finished
wallpaper product. I get ripped enough as it is.
Quote by CelessaJust like using a scan to
create a wallpaper, I'll give out a very
common, straight-forward answer.
1. Ask the artist in charge whether or not his or her vector should be
used in place.
2. If accepted, the vector must be linked appropriately so that the
artist gets the recognition he or she deserves.
The funny part about this, and the real controversy is that if the
vector artist does not agree that his or her vector should be placed on
a wallpaper, wouldn't it be funny because as Belmikry has stated out
earlier, that would be out of the question because the vector was
clearly made out of a scan in the first place - and thus who would take
full credit and ownership of this finished image, after doing so?
In my honest opinion, a vector came out of a scan, and as such, I
believe any wallpaper artist should be allowed to use these vectors.
I'm sure the artist might be frustrated and all that, but who
ultimately drew the art in the first place, right? I don't think the
vector artist should claim it all as their own, even though they tried
their hardest to make it themselves. Therefore, I think it should be
permissible by all means and not declared a "rip."
Proper crediting the vector work of the image though is a good idea
though. That's from my opinion.
this sounds like the best plan to me cel- makes compelte sense. Does everyone
agree?
One member the other day used my vector so he can submit his wallpaper. He gave
me the proper credit and that was a great thing. I agree with the plan. Carry it
out by all means.
i just looked at the policy, and vectors isn't on it, i'm assuming thats because
they are reletavely new. Should we eventually put vectors in there as well?
Quote by belmikryi just looked at the
policy, and vectors isn't on it, i'm assuming
thats because they are reletavely new. Should we eventually put vectors
in there as well?
yes, that'so true, but i'm believe that it work like the doujinshi too! ...and
i'm totaly agree with all of your comments in this forum! ^^
I think these rules (points to Celessa's post) should also apply for people
making the vectors themselves. What I mean is if you decide to do a vector
trace using someones submitted material like in my case for a Yohko Yamamoto vector I made
(and still working on). There I have given credit to Red. Actually notified
her before I posted it on MT to get her permission.
In the case of screen shots from shows... Just mentioning the show and Episode
should be enough.
(looks like I'll have to update some descriptions to avoid being a hypocrit on
the Riku, Asuka and Little vectors, even I took their screen caps).
I just like to compair the resulting vector image with the original one.... But
that just may be myself.
even though it's related directly to my site... And I'm too lazy to retype
everything there, My Image use agreement could be a template? (for all borrowed
elements at MT in general). I have up held this on my works, and think it's
only fair that others do the same.
Read it? I think the links to the original sources is best, so people can get
in contact with the originator of the image resource. But what about when
people don't respond for long periods of times? Or the source provider forgets
to send a responce? Things also to consider.
Quote by CelessaJust like using a scan to
create a wallpaper, I'll give out a very
common, straight-forward answer.
1. Ask the artist in charge whether or not his or her vector should be
used in place.
2. If accepted, the vector must be linked appropriately so that the
artist gets the recognition he or she deserves.
The funny part about this, and the real controversy is that if the
vector artist does not agree that his or her vector should be placed on
a wallpaper, wouldn't it be funny because as Belmikry has stated out
earlier, that would be out of the question because the vector was
clearly made out of a scan in the first place - and thus who would take
full credit and ownership of this finished image, after doing so?
In my honest opinion, a vector came out of a scan, and as such, I
believe any wallpaper artist should be allowed to use these vectors.
I'm sure the artist might be frustrated and all that, but who
ultimately drew the art in the first place, right? I don't think the
vector artist should claim it all as their own, even though they tried
their hardest to make it themselves. Therefore, I think it should be
permissible by all means and not declared a "rip."
Proper crediting the vector work of the image though is a good idea
though. That's from my opinion.
I think if an artist edits an image more then 50% of what it originally was,
they can claim it as their own. When someone creates a vector, it is created
from scratch, so they have edited 100%. So I think the vectorer should have
complete rights over it.
I think it is an excellent idea. I normally do post a credit if I get a scan
from MT members. Mind you, I have a LOT of scans and stock pics I have collected
over the years so remembering if I downloaded, got , or scanned them is off my
mind.
whatever you use in your wallpapers, you should give a credit to - well,
whatever you haven't made yourself(include scans, doujins, vectors, brushes and
so on)...
Quote by boogybroI think if an artist
edits an image more then 50% of what it originally
was, they can claim it as their own. When someone creates a vector, it
is created from scratch, so they have edited 100%. So I think the
vectorer should have complete rights over it.
i agree on this but someone did tell me a while ago that vector was uncreative
and time-consuming
but it takes a lot of time to create it so the artist can claim it as their own
even if it was off a scan (probably a very bad quality scan =D)
Quote by boogybroWhen someone creates a
vector, it is created from scratch
but you can creates a vector by tracing the bitmap image (ie. scanned
doujin/fanart/blabla)
i never seen somebody creates a vector from scratch without using bitmap image,
as far as i know 0_0
and thats why you should give the credit for the original image(bitmap) creator
... IMHO
I think it really depends on the vector itself... like a painting or a piece of
fanart, a vectored artwork can reflect a person's own individual style even if
it started out from a bitmap image that someone else scanned. A vector art, to
me, can be considered the same as a piece of fanart.
On a more legal scale, a vector artwork would be considered copyrighted by the
artist who created it. The character itself and the base image would still be
copyrighted to the original artist/creator. I'm thinking that the same rights
that are applied to an artist and their "normal" fanart can be applied
to an artist and their vector art... the characters aren't theirs, but the new
product is. ^^ So I think it would be best to ask the vector artist permission
before using their works in any wallpapers, avatars, layouts, etc.
This thread is to consider and suggest what the rules are for vectors, since we seem to be throughoutly discussing this in the SB.
the question is, where do vectors fit when it comes to making walls of them?
well, i think any submission on MT is brought in by the member to showcase [ie:scans and doujinshi] to make walls out of. This is why all scans must be in colour, because wallers need to be able to use them for wallpapers.
Obviously you cannot 'rip;, but you use scans to make them out of, and give proper credit. [shrugs] vectors are almost homemade transfers, so i dont know,
i think regardless if someone uses a vector/doujinshi/scans... they need to give credit. So if a member uses a vector from MT, they need to give proper credit.
what do you think? we need to come up with a rule so that if anymore vectors are made into walls, we know if its considered a 'rip' or a regular wall.
Essentially, do vectors fit under a doujinshi or something else? I believe another category should be made to accomidate the new type of art on MT
mmh in my eyes everyone should give a credit to the person which made the doujinshi or the vector art. its not very fair to use someones work without a credit - with a permission it would be nicer
. so i
think if some write in the discription 'ask me for the permission' so the waller
must ask .. if there is nothing standig, imo a simply credit will be okay.
exactly my thoughts. But can vectors be used for walls or is it ripping someones work? where do vectors fit? under art or scans? neither? if so- what can we determine? if a member makes a wall out of doujinshi [very very rare] don't they need permission from the artist, at the minimum give credit?
Like i said on the SB,just a proper credit,like Asahi says,is not very fair when someone uses your work without giving u the proper credit.
well i dont know. depends on the maker of the actual vector. i mean, if i make a vector, i can use it to make my own wall, but it would be a rip if someone else used it right?
I agree with Asahi. Proper credit. As Belmikry pointed out the purpose of posting scans and doujinshi is to provide wallers with high quality material (and for leechers to leech the hq scans :P) The same ought to apply to vectors. If you want to use a vector in your wall you must give a proper credit to its author. But at the same time I think that it would be nice to officialy ask for permission to use somebody's vector in a wall (ideal but probably unrealistic, as even with submitting scans people have problems with proper crediting
)
Just like using a scan to create a wallpaper, I'll give out a very common, straight-forward answer.
1. Ask the artist in charge whether or not his or her vector should be used in place.
2. If accepted, the vector must be linked appropriately so that the artist gets the recognition he or she deserves.
The funny part about this, and the real controversy is that if the vector artist does not agree that his or her vector should be placed on a wallpaper, wouldn't it be funny because as Belmikry has stated out earlier, that would be out of the question because the vector was clearly made out of a scan in the first place - and thus who would take full credit and ownership of this finished image, after doing so?
In my honest opinion, a vector came out of a scan, and as such, I believe any wallpaper artist should be allowed to use these vectors. I'm sure the artist might be frustrated and all that, but who ultimately drew the art in the first place, right? I don't think the vector artist should claim it all as their own, even though they tried their hardest to make it themselves. Therefore, I think it should be permissible by all means and not declared a "rip."
Proper crediting the vector work of the image though is a good idea though. That's from my opinion.
My feeling is, vector is basically tracing the original artwork, which to me makes it a form of fanart (or in this community, doujinshi). While it's near impossible to contact the original artists in Japan, it is not nearly as difficult to contact the creator of a vector to ask permission first. And of course, proper credit is part and parcel of the deal.
Frankly, this is why I don't post my vector-only art on MT, only the finished wallpaper product. I get ripped enough as it is.
this sounds like the best plan to me cel- makes compelte sense. Does everyone agree?
so if i understood well, for use a vector, we must credit the creator right?
One member the other day used my vector so he can submit his wallpaper. He gave me the proper credit and that was a great thing. I agree with the plan. Carry it out by all means.
i just looked at the policy, and vectors isn't on it, i'm assuming thats because they are reletavely new. Should we eventually put vectors in there as well?
yes, that'so true, but i'm believe that it work like the doujinshi too! ...and i'm totaly agree with all of your comments in this forum! ^^
I think these rules (points to Celessa's post) should also apply for people making the vectors themselves. What I mean is if you decide to do a vector trace using someones submitted material like in my case for a Yohko Yamamoto vector I made (and still working on). There I have given credit to Red. Actually notified her before I posted it on MT to get her permission.
In the case of screen shots from shows... Just mentioning the show and Episode should be enough.
(looks like I'll have to update some descriptions to avoid being a hypocrit on the Riku, Asuka and Little vectors, even I took their screen caps).
I just like to compair the resulting vector image with the original one.... But that just may be myself.
thats very true- we need to make clear rules and policies for vectors since they are being submitted like hotcakes.
first off: the policy for making vectors.
secondly: the policy for using someone else's vectors.
even though it's related directly to my site... And I'm too lazy to retype everything there, My Image use agreement could be a template? (for all borrowed elements at MT in general). I have up held this on my works, and think it's only fair that others do the same.
http://www.sillymoogle.net/useRights.php Again, sorry to plug in my for website.
Read it? I think the links to the original sources is best, so people can get in contact with the originator of the image resource. But what about when people don't respond for long periods of times? Or the source provider forgets to send a responce? Things also to consider.
I think if an artist edits an image more then 50% of what it originally was, they can claim it as their own. When someone creates a vector, it is created from scratch, so they have edited 100%. So I think the vectorer should have complete rights over it.
I think it is an excellent idea. I normally do post a credit if I get a scan from MT members. Mind you, I have a LOT of scans and stock pics I have collected over the years so remembering if I downloaded, got , or scanned them is off my mind.
whatever you use in your wallpapers, you should give a credit to - well, whatever you haven't made yourself(include scans, doujins, vectors, brushes and so on)...
i agree on this but someone did tell me a while ago that vector was uncreative and time-consuming
but you can creates a vector by tracing the bitmap image (ie. scanned doujin/fanart/blabla)
i never seen somebody creates a vector from scratch without using bitmap image, as far as i know 0_0
and thats why you should give the credit for the original image(bitmap) creator ... IMHO
I think it really depends on the vector itself... like a painting or a piece of fanart, a vectored artwork can reflect a person's own individual style even if it started out from a bitmap image that someone else scanned. A vector art, to me, can be considered the same as a piece of fanart.
On a more legal scale, a vector artwork would be considered copyrighted by the artist who created it. The character itself and the base image would still be copyrighted to the original artist/creator. I'm thinking that the same rights that are applied to an artist and their "normal" fanart can be applied to an artist and their vector art... the characters aren't theirs, but the new product is. ^^ So I think it would be best to ask the vector artist permission before using their works in any wallpapers, avatars, layouts, etc.
Sorry if I repeated myself too much there.