I was thinking about this in church this morning. Why do people always blame God
for everything that goes wrong in our lives? And why does He never get any
credit? Look at the tsunami, for example. Everyone blames God for the terrible
tragedy that claimed millions of lives, and yet any survivors are a result of
either "luck" or the miracle of medical science.
What are your thoughts on this? Is God really to blame? And, if so, why?
But haven't you noticed how, during any time of trial, people cry out to God,
and thrust the responsibility on His shoulders? The European Holocaust, where 12
million people died. The Armenian Holocaust, where 2 million people died. Did
all of those people "forsake and defy" him as well?
i think part of it may be is because some people don't take responsibility for
their own actions and failures and feel the need to blame god because it's
easier that way. if it's god's fault, then the cause of my misery or suffering
can't be because i did something wrong and that also means i wouldn't have to
change my behavior or whatever. i think that some people just don't want to
take responsibility for their own actions or faults or don't want to change, so
the convenient excuse is to blame god.
hey, sometimes i think that way..."why did god do this to me?" or
"god is punishing me" even though logically i know in the back of my
mind it's because i did something stupid or i was just "unlucky."
so, i don't think god is to blame because i don't think he's a micro manager in
our lives. i think for the most part it's our own actions, behaviors, and
decisions that determine what happens in our lives...and sometimes we're just in
the right place at the right time or at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Quote by darkspiral486The
European
Holocaust, where 12 million people died. The Armenian Holocaust, where
2 million people died. Did all of those people "forsake and defy"
him
as well?
It is not always those who are guilty who recieve the brunt of it. The
holocaust caused more damage to Germany than it did to the Jews...the Jews got
Israel out of the deal, if I recall. God works in strange ways sometimes.
Whether the Germans and Jews were guilty or not, God certainly wasn't.
There is no "god" in most people's mind. Even though they might be
christian, it doesn't mean they actually believe in it. Because modern science
has actual form and we work hard on it, we believe that everything good comes
from that.
We always want to bame the bad stuff on other people. And since no one actually
know if god exist or not, it is naturally the easiest thing to bame all our
trouble to.
Quote by BorisGrishenkoIt is not
always those who are guilty who recieve the brunt of it. The holocaust caused
more damage to Germany than it did to the Jews...the Jews got Israel out of the
deal, if I recall. God works in strange ways sometimes. Whether the Germans
and Jews were guilty or not, God certainly wasn't.
6 million Jews, children and adult, were murdered by the German, and you say
that the holocaust caused more damage to Germany than it did to the Jews?
we didnt "got Israel out of the deal", we had fought (and steel
fighting) for our independent and our right for living.
God works in strange ways, as you said, but the Jews were sertenly not guilty.
they (and the gypsis, the black and homosexsual) were the victims.
Quote by Amigodwe didnt "got Israel
out of the deal", we had fought (and steel fighting) for our independent
and our right for living.
I disagree. Israel is only created because US ecomonic is controled mostly by
jews. They chase off the people who originally live there, and say that is their
land.
I am not clear what you mean...the fact that 6 million Jews, children and adult,
were murdered by the Germans is a red herring. Lots of people are killed by
tyrants in every generation. That doesn't make the Jews special, it just makes
them the victims du jour. Which isn't to say it is the first time, because it
is far from it.
Israel was created in the order of the U.N, as two contry, one for the Jews and
one for the Arabes. The Jews were happy with the desition, the Arabes and the
contry arrond Israel weren't, so they started a war. We fought, and won.
The people who live here, steel living here.
It's self-serving bias. Anything good that happens to people they give
themselves a lot of credit for it, When something bad happens it's someone
else's or something else's fault.
Quote by BorisGrishenkoI am not
clear what you mean...the fact that 6 million Jews, children and adult, were
murdered by the Germans is a red herring. Lots of people are killed by tyrants
in every generation. That doesn't make the Jews special, it just makes them the
victims du jour. Which isn't to say it is the first time, because it is far
from it.
for me this fact isn't a red herring.
The holocaust don't make us special, this is a part of our history.
I'm sorry but I didn't understand the mining of "du jour"...
Quote by AmigodIsrael was created in the
order of the U.N, as two contry, one for the
Jews and one for the Arabes. The Jews were happy with the desition, the
Arabes and the contry arrond Israel weren't, so they started a war. We
fought, and won. The people who live here, steel living
here.
A lovely story, but what does the postwar potion of the history of Israel have
to do with the subject at hand?
Also, the reason the holocaust claim is a red herring is that it assumes the
Jews were at fault, which is an assumption that is downright misleading in the
context of this discussion.
Assuming we can agree on the fact that the Jews were not at fault for the
Holocaust, that is. If you wish to claim they were, then go ahead. You will be
wrong, but go ahead. Because unless that is your claim, it is not relevant to
this discussion. Feel free to argue that the Germans were wrong, if you like.
That might make for some interesting conversation though you are unlikely to
find anyone to disagree with you. And they got pwned justly. Which is also
offtopic.
well you people seem to neglect the fact that when things go right people also
thank god?
how can you say he never takes credit? when people say thanks before dinner, go
to church etc aren't they worshipping god and in that way also kind of thanking
him?
It depends on the person
but as for the tsunami why people ask god why it happens, or as you say blame
god,
its because it was something completely out of human control. (as far as i
know?)
so humans will turn to the next unknown factor god.
i guess we could all blame mother nature, but for those who believe there is a
unseen force out there then obviously they would turn and ask god whom they
worship and thank every day for his protection, why their lives have been
shredded to pieces in seconds.
Quote by darkspiral486I was
thinking about this in church this morning. Why do people always
blame God for everything that goes wrong in our lives? And why does He
never get any credit? Look at the tsunami, for example. Everyone blames
God for the terrible tragedy that claimed millions of lives, and yet
any survivors are a result of either "luck" or the miracle of
medical
science.
What are your thoughts on this? Is God really to blame? And, if so,
why?
Yeah, that god sure is a funny guy. I guess he just didn't feel like saving
those people from the tsunami, didn't want to be too nice, you know? Well, maybe
he's still pooped from creating the world and what not.
I dont exactly believe in God. I believe in higher beings, and Mother Nature is
one of them. The destruction caused by the Tsunami is a thing of mother nature,
and she has her reasons. Perhaps to cope with the overpopulation of her earth?
Or an attempt to bring people closer together? Or heck, we're just sitting on a
ball in the middle of the universe and we just hit a bump on the road of life.
It is human nature to want something to be more powerful than all of us and able
to take care of us. If we feel the foundations of our faith shattered by a
natural disaster we run around saying, "What did I do to make God
angry?" even though it's out of our control, and out of his if you believe
in him. Its human nature to do all of this. We've been doing it for millenia.
probably because of egocentric self-serving biases that humans make. people dont
like to blame themselves for misfortunes, and its also convenient to blame God -
for those that do. In the case of natural disasters, how else are people
supposed to explain it?
humans are selfish creatures by nature. (not to mean all of u guys n gals are
still that way) because luck and science are human creations/concepts, they want
to take credit for everything but push the blame to ohers. unfortunately, they
picked God as their scapegoat.
i don't mean to sound rude here but God never really takes the blame because
there's doubt of his existence. one may think 'oh my life sucks, i blame god for
that. why god why?!'. they're all responsible for their own actions. some even
ask why were they ever born in the first place due to a fault. it all comes down
to 'faith'. it's when they get too comfortable and dependant on faith that makes
them blame it
I was thinking about this in church this morning. Why do people always blame God for everything that goes wrong in our lives? And why does He never get any credit? Look at the tsunami, for example. Everyone blames God for the terrible tragedy that claimed millions of lives, and yet any survivors are a result of either "luck" or the miracle of medical science.
What are your thoughts on this? Is God really to blame? And, if so, why?
God is never "to blame". The blame rests on the souls who forsake and defy him.
But haven't you noticed how, during any time of trial, people cry out to God, and thrust the responsibility on His shoulders? The European Holocaust, where 12 million people died. The Armenian Holocaust, where 2 million people died. Did all of those people "forsake and defy" him as well?
i think part of it may be is because some people don't take responsibility for their own actions and failures and feel the need to blame god because it's easier that way. if it's god's fault, then the cause of my misery or suffering can't be because i did something wrong and that also means i wouldn't have to change my behavior or whatever. i think that some people just don't want to take responsibility for their own actions or faults or don't want to change, so the convenient excuse is to blame god.
hey, sometimes i think that way..."why did god do this to me?" or "god is punishing me" even though logically i know in the back of my mind it's because i did something stupid or i was just "unlucky."
so, i don't think god is to blame because i don't think he's a micro manager in our lives. i think for the most part it's our own actions, behaviors, and decisions that determine what happens in our lives...and sometimes we're just in the right place at the right time or at the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is not always those who are guilty who recieve the brunt of it. The holocaust caused more damage to Germany than it did to the Jews...the Jews got Israel out of the deal, if I recall. God works in strange ways sometimes. Whether the Germans and Jews were guilty or not, God certainly wasn't.
There is no "god" in most people's mind. Even though they might be christian, it doesn't mean they actually believe in it. Because modern science has actual form and we work hard on it, we believe that everything good comes from that.
We always want to bame the bad stuff on other people. And since no one actually know if god exist or not, it is naturally the easiest thing to bame all our trouble to.
That isn't entirely true.
Well, from the beginning of time, we have been blaming all our troubles to mythical thing.
We just don't like to take responsibility for bad things.
6 million Jews, children and adult, were murdered by the German, and you say that the holocaust caused more damage to Germany than it did to the Jews?
we didnt "got Israel out of the deal", we had fought (and steel fighting) for our independent and our right for living.
God works in strange ways, as you said, but the Jews were sertenly not guilty. they (and the gypsis, the black and homosexsual) were the victims.
Well, I'll just say ....were only human....
I disagree. Israel is only created because US ecomonic is controled mostly by jews. They chase off the people who originally live there, and say that is their land.
I am not clear what you mean...the fact that 6 million Jews, children and adult, were murdered by the Germans is a red herring. Lots of people are killed by tyrants in every generation. That doesn't make the Jews special, it just makes them the victims du jour. Which isn't to say it is the first time, because it is far from it.
Israel was created in the order of the U.N, as two contry, one for the Jews and one for the Arabes. The Jews were happy with the desition, the Arabes and the contry arrond Israel weren't, so they started a war. We fought, and won.
The people who live here, steel living here.
It's self-serving bias. Anything good that happens to people they give themselves a lot of credit for it, When something bad happens it's someone else's or something else's fault.
for me this fact isn't a red herring.
The holocaust don't make us special, this is a part of our history.
I'm sorry but I didn't understand the mining of "du jour"...
A lovely story, but what does the postwar potion of the history of Israel have to do with the subject at hand?
Also, the reason the holocaust claim is a red herring is that it assumes the Jews were at fault, which is an assumption that is downright misleading in the context of this discussion.
Assuming we can agree on the fact that the Jews were not at fault for the Holocaust, that is. If you wish to claim they were, then go ahead. You will be wrong, but go ahead. Because unless that is your claim, it is not relevant to this discussion. Feel free to argue that the Germans were wrong, if you like. That might make for some interesting conversation though you are unlikely to find anyone to disagree with you. And they got pwned justly. Which is also offtopic.
well you people seem to neglect the fact that when things go right people also thank god?
how can you say he never takes credit? when people say thanks before dinner, go to church etc aren't they worshipping god and in that way also kind of thanking him?
It depends on the person
but as for the tsunami why people ask god why it happens, or as you say blame god,
its because it was something completely out of human control. (as far as i know?)
so humans will turn to the next unknown factor god.
i guess we could all blame mother nature, but for those who believe there is a unseen force out there then obviously they would turn and ask god whom they worship and thank every day for his protection, why their lives have been shredded to pieces in seconds.
ok, so i didn't undersand the mining of "a red herring" too.
You are right we are offtopic.
so... God is not to be blam. We can just blam ourself on our mistakes.
Yeah, that god sure is a funny guy. I guess he just didn't feel like saving those people from the tsunami, didn't want to be too nice, you know? Well, maybe he's still pooped from creating the world and what not.
I dont exactly believe in God. I believe in higher beings, and Mother Nature is one of them. The destruction caused by the Tsunami is a thing of mother nature, and she has her reasons. Perhaps to cope with the overpopulation of her earth? Or an attempt to bring people closer together? Or heck, we're just sitting on a ball in the middle of the universe and we just hit a bump on the road of life.
It is human nature to want something to be more powerful than all of us and able to take care of us. If we feel the foundations of our faith shattered by a natural disaster we run around saying, "What did I do to make God angry?" even though it's out of our control, and out of his if you believe in him. Its human nature to do all of this. We've been doing it for millenia.
probably because of egocentric self-serving biases that humans make. people dont like to blame themselves for misfortunes, and its also convenient to blame God - for those that do. In the case of natural disasters, how else are people supposed to explain it?
humans are selfish creatures by nature. (not to mean all of u guys n gals are still that way) because luck and science are human creations/concepts, they want to take credit for everything but push the blame to ohers. unfortunately, they picked God as their scapegoat.
i don't mean to sound rude here but God never really takes the blame because there's doubt of his existence. one may think 'oh my life sucks, i blame god for that. why god why?!'. they're all responsible for their own actions. some even ask why were they ever born in the first place due to a fault. it all comes down to 'faith'. it's when they get too comfortable and dependant on faith that makes them blame it