I am proposing a "punishment" system for threads which are closed by the moderators
For example, in gallery section, if the Mod decides a wallpaper/scan is not up to MT standard, he can remove it thus remove all the favorites and comments associated with the image
However, in forum discussions, it is another story
It seems like the best mods can do so far is close the thread. I am actually proposing a delete thread feature. I think it will be fair to everyone, and help make everyone here responsible. With this feature implanted, members of the minitokyo will think twice before starting a new thread, such as do a search, make sure it obliges with the forum guidelines, (no favorites or vs thread, etc)
Are the levels you gained with the forum posts received still with you even if the threads are closed? I very much suspect so. This is also another need for a "DELETE THREAD" feature availble to the moderators. It does seem like a lot of members here are way too obsessed with levels and will do anything to reach higher, evidences are many and many threads on "how do i reach level 10"
So, I think we need to delete the thread instead of just closing them. I am not sure if this feature will be made available in MT 3, hopefully
What do you guys think

Hidden, it has been agreed by all mods,elites,and sheqel that threads will NOT be deleted.

This is due to keeping evidence and them keeping track of disobedient and abusive members, and by keeping them closed instead of deleted will keep the proof intact and keep it accessable.

I'm all for that suggestion and I believe that it's only fair that way... but I heard something about deleting threads screws up the system or something like that so I don't know.

Deleting threads is a really good idea. Also it'd be good if thread creators could delete their own threads as well. I know that there are some I would want to get rid of but can't get rid of.

EDIT: ok then if you keep some sort of thread closed to keep track of disobedient members, it'd be nice to delete all those replies then and replace it all with something like a bot[chii] message (as a thread reply with no gain to levels) Closed for ___ reason.

Quote by kuroimisa Also it'd be good if thread
creators could delete their own threads as well. I know that there are
some I would want to get rid of but can't get rid of.

The moderators need to keep track of your activities in MT, like incase you wrote something insulting..they will only close it..so incase..lets say..you tell someone that you have never written anything insulting in your life, and are trying to vouch for yourself,..the proof will still be in that 'closed' thread.

well delete thread feature is implemented almost in every discussion forums
I understand why they want to keep track of the abusive members. However why is the gallery section use the "deletion system"?
It makes sense that most threads which are closed, honestly are not really against MT policies such as ripping or so. But an image could also get removed if they are not too good of a quality right?
So, shouldnt we be able to remove a thread if it does not have that much a quality also?

It's difficult in deleting threads, dude. One small mistake and the whole thing will go down. We don't want that.

Quote by hiddensnakehandswell delete thread feature is implemented almost in every discussion
forums
I understand why they want to keep track of the abusive members.
However why is the gallery section use the "deletion system"?
It makes sense that most threads which are closed, honestly are not
really against MT policies such as ripping or so. But an image could
also get removed if they are not too good of a quality right?
So, shouldnt we be able to remove a thread if it does not have that
much a quality also?

Hidden..Images and Threads are completely different things.

Images take up memory or w/e on the website..therefore the "effortless" and "ripped" wallpapers are deleted. When a effortless wallpaper is deleted, you are de-leveled(form of punishment for your actions). When a rip is deleted, you are given a stern warning or banning (form of punishment for that action).
Though the mods,elites, and sheqel, all agreed together that threads will not be deleted for these reasons:
-Form of Evidence...(especially incase a serious matter is discussed or is brought apon or perhaps just a childish brawl)
-Threads dont take up MB or w/e and does not take away the websites space. Only Images do that.
Therefore, images MUST be deleted if they are not following the standards as stated when first joining mt.

I heard from someone that closing a thread will screw up the whole system.

So if that's the case, how about making a Closed Thread category to dump all those closed threads in.

Quote by jakulitoI heard from someone that closing a thread will screw up the whole system.
So if that's the case, how about making a Closed Thread category to dump all those closed threads in.

Well, mods already have to deal with enough crap, especially with
-reports
-inquiries
-view all gallery submissions
-viewing all forum posts..etc..

Perhaps if there was a possible way to have an automatic function inwhich would send those closed threads into a seperate section..it would be fine..although..
I dont think that is necessary...especially because..why would you pay attention to a closed thread..if its already closed? lol

Quote by kuroimisaEDIT: ok then if you keep some sort of thread closed to keep track of disobedient members, it'd be nice to delete all those replies then and replace it all with something like a bot[chii] message (as a thread reply with no gain to levels) Closed for ___ reason.

that is a very good suggestion.
Right now, theres no penalty if you created too many closed threads, as long as they are spaced out nicely. The only thing you can really do wrong and result in a warning is if you spam the forums. However, that is very easy to bypass
So, what kuroimisa said I totally agree there

Nice one Misa. Kinda reminds of the old AnimeOnline but it applied to banned members.

I saw this one member's status; Banned for being a whiny f***tard

Quote by kuroimasaEDIT: ok then if you keep some sort of thread closed
to keep track of disobedient members, it'd be nice to delete all those
replies then and replace it all with something like a bot[chii] message
(as a thread reply with no gain to levels) Closed for ___
reason.

To do that..and replace all the posts with an automatic botchii message..is 100 times more work to do. See, to delete posts..you need to report them..they can not automaticlly delete them out of the blue..they will need to go through each one..and delete it..while at the same time sending a message to the person who posted that post..in which..that person will also be deleveled for no reason..you do not want to punish the ppl who did nothing wrong..ya see?
A botchii message in the first post would be fine..but it would be best to allow the others. But by replacing the first post with a botchii message..would be deleting the whole topic of that closed thread, which is also important when mods are reviewing it and restating the situation in which may or may not of had been occured.

Quote by toxictea23why would you pay attention to a closed thread..if its already closed? lol

Just like you said:

Quote by toxictea23This is due to keeping evidence and them keeping track of disobedient and abusive members, and by keeping them closed instead of deleted will keep the proof intact and keep it accessable.

Having the option of automatically moving the closed threads to a seperate category is better, imo.

Quote by jakulito

Quote by toxictea23why would you pay attention to a closed thread..if
its already closed? lol

Just like you said:

Quote by toxictea23This is due to keeping evidence and them keeping
track of disobedient and abusive members, and by keeping them closed
instead of deleted will keep the proof intact and keep it
accessable.

Having the option of automatically moving the closed threads to a
seperate category is better, imo.

In the Mod's forum..they have seperate threads..you see..
The have seperate threads for..
-opinions
-changes
-new rules
-policy
-who has been banned
-a list of rippers
-disobedient members
-who has been warned on MT
-and who to look out for.
They dont need to have all the closed threads moved into a seperate category...If they already know who to look out for.
BUT
they dont keep track in their threads about what the person HAS DONE.
Thats why the threads are not deleted and the posts are not deleted as well.
Remember, they only keep a list of names..not a dictionary on what the person has done.
When someone on MT is caught doing something stupid..the mods review that members history to see,
-how many warnings were given
-what that person has done for the website
-what that person has posted (decent, or indecent)

My 2 cents on the matter...it's good that the mods are using the closed threads as evidence for incidents because they may want to look back to an incident, observe the drama that was caused, and find out who caused the drama. Deleting threads will only make an incident less evident and the mods will have no telling of who to mute, ban, etc., for their behavior through the forums.

In addition, if the delete feature was to be implemented and substituted for the close feature, it would truly be difficult to return to a previously created thread, given that some members and mods do post in threads notifying the creator of the thread that it's a duplicate, and searching for a thread that was previously created and has posts within the activity threshold will be made that much more difficult.

Quote by SilentMasamuneMy 2 cents on the matter...

Mel, are you sure you cant afford more then just two cents? Your being cheap!

Quote by SilentMasamuneIn addition, if the delete feature was to be implemented and
substituted for the close feature, it would truly be difficult to
return to a previously created thread, given that some members and mods
do post in threads notifying the creator of the thread that it's a
duplicate, and searching for a thread that was previously created and
has posts within the activity threshold will be made that much more
difficult.

Exaclly what i was mentioning earlier..except for the whole returning to previous threads thing that you mentioned. LOL

Quote by toxictea23The moderators need to keep track of your activities in MT, like incase
you wrote something insulting..they will only close it..so incase..lets
say..you tell someone that you have never written anything insulting in
your life, and are trying to vouch for yourself,..the proof will still
be in that 'closed' thread.

I believe you mean that mods desire to keep track of our activities on MT rather then they actually need too keep track of them. There is no actual justifible need to tack what people say, there is merely a desire on the mods part to track rather, to as I see it, make it easier to target ones they see as trouble makers.

Also wouldn't deleting threads still let the mods (in a section that very possibly exists and is private to mods only) keep track of trouble makers by listing their names and watching for them thereafter? Keep track of evidence then also within that area and dump threads that would otherwise be closed to open up server space rather then keep those closed threads on here and clutter up some server space.

Quote by rmuyo

Quote by toxictea23The moderators need to keep track of your activities
in MT, like incase
you wrote something insulting..they will only close it..so incase..lets
say..you tell someone that you have never written anything insulting in
your life, and are trying to vouch for yourself,..the proof will still
be in that 'closed' thread.

I believe you mean that mods desire
to keep track of our activities on MT rather then they actually need
too keep track of them. There is no actual justifible need to tack what
people say, there is merely a desire on the mods part to track rather,
to as I see it, make it easier to target ones they see as trouble
makers. Also wouldn't deleting threads still let the mods (in a section
that very possibly exists and is private to mods only) keep track of
trouble makers by listing their names and watching for them thereafter?
Keep track of evidence then also within that area and dump threads that
would otherwise be closed to open up server space rather then keep
those closed threads on here and clutter up some server space.

Quote: By me:
In the Mod's forum..they have seperate threads..you see..
The have seperate threads for..
-opinions
-changes
-new rules
-policy
-who has been banned
-a list of rippers
-disobedient members
-who has been warned on MT
-and who to look out for.
They dont need to have all the closed threads moved into a seperate category...If they already know who to look out for.
BUT
they dont keep track in their threads about what the person HAS DONE.
Thats why the threads are not deleted and the posts are not deleted as well.
Remember, they only keep a list of names..not a dictionary on what the person has done.
When someone on MT is caught doing something stupid..the mods review that members history to see,
-how many warnings were given
-what that person has done for the website
-what that person has posted (decent, or indecent)

That post i have made has explained everything that you have mentioned...

Quote by rmuyoAlso wouldn't deleting threads still let the mods (in a section that very possibly exists and is private to mods only) keep track of trouble makers by listing their names and watching for them thereafter? Keep track of evidence then also within that area and dump threads that would otherwise be closed to open up server space rather then keep those closed threads on here and clutter up some server space.

What if other members want to view those threads just to further prove a point? Though the mods would have a log of the activity that goes on in the forums, the members would have no evidence if such a suggestion was to be considered and substituted for the closure of the threads. Though it may seem tough for the mods to keep track of those who violate the policy and the guidelines, it actually isn't tough at all thanks to the warning system, which limits a member 3 warnings before he or she gets banned. In addition, keeping the closed threads, as I said earlier, if the member received warnings for the nature of the threads or flooding the forums, only further proves their point, and if other mods do not see evidence as to why the member received warnings or was muted or banned in the first place, they could become skeptical and question how the member arrived to such a degenerating status.

Quote by toxictea23Hidden, it has been agreed by all mods,elites,and sheqel that threads
will NOT be deleted.
This is due to keeping evidence and them keeping track of disobedient
and abusive members, and by keeping them closed instead of deleted will
keep the proof intact and keep it accessable.

Wow, I'm sorry I missed out on this one. ...A thread wouldn't necessarily need to be 'deleted' per se. ...Rather, the thread could be moved to a secondary structure that parallels the format of MT's existing forum. ...Similar to the spam lounge, the point values could be different. (Hey, negative values might even be nice.) ...Further, access might even be restricted to those members who have business watching said threads. I understand the concept of making sure the actions taken by the mods are as precise and just as possible. ...However, the way MT currently works... ...It seems to encourage problems for the community and mods...?

Just some thoughts. ....And also, FYI, this has been loosely discussed to a lesser extent in the Chaos-Cross group page.

I'll just restate my position from an earlier thread discussion with Celessa et al. I advocate a punishment for posting spam, creating guideline violating threads, etc. in the form of a member status change. With the implimentation of the Muted Member status, I advocate that any member who doesn't read the rules, doesn't search, and as a result posts meaningless nonsense be immediatedly changed to the Muted status. Currently, changing the status is at the discretion of a moderator. I support automating the process so that any member who posts spam and gets the thread closed or post deleted will immediately feel the effect of the punishment. In this way, the decision of what constitutes spam still rests with the moderators, but once it is decided to be spam and the thread is closed, the punishment will be immediate.

If spammers "suddenly" and "mysteriously" find themselves unable to use the forums, when they were flooding the forum with stuff a short while before, and then discover a system message telling them that they're being punished for posting spam, I bet that'll smarten them up very quickly.

Quote by EternalParadoxI'll just restate my position from an earlier thread discussion with Celessa et al. I advocate a punishment for posting spam, creating guideline violating threads, etc. in the form of a member status change. With the implimentation of the Muted Member status, I advocate that any member who doesn't read the rules, doesn't search, and as a result posts meaningless nonsense be immediatedly changed to the Muted status. Currently, changing the status is at the discretion of a moderator. I support automating the process so that any member who posts spam and gets the thread closed or post deleted will immediately feel the effect of the punishment. In this way, the decision of what constitutes spam still rests with the moderators, but once it is decided to be spam and the thread is closed, the punishment will be immediate.

I totally agree. The sort of punishment I would think would be like
a)If you create dupe threads, that would be one week temporary ban
b)If you create favorites and threads like these, that would be one week mute
The mods can tell them why they have been banned/muted by the forum on their userpage or via botchii

Seriously, even with our current system in place, it is hard to catch whoever created too many closed threads. As long as they are spaced out nicely. Let say, 5 closed threads in a week. The only time we really get to warn/ban the member right now is if they create 5 closed threads in a matter of hours.
Therefore, an automated system would be really nice

It is very true that only those who flood within short times spans actually catch people's attention. Others get away with it because there simply is too many threads to actually remember. That's the reason I particularly like an automated system that responds as soon as the thread is closed. Then the moderators won't have to remember which members are posting spam; they only need to close those threads and then BotChii will automatically change the offender's status. hehe Good old BotChii. hehe

I personally would not give a duplicate thread a ban, more like the Muted status. I think now that Sheqel has fixed the Muted status to bar those members from using the forum and gallery posting completely, that would be a very effective method of punishment. They can look at the threads longingly, but they can't do anything to post.

Ummmn, how should I say this
I honestly did not get this idea from Chaos-Cross, it is my original idea, at least that is what I made myself believe
So credit to kawaiiguy for pointing this out or i would not have any idea about this
Honestly i have not checked chaos-cross for the past couple of days
Gomen!