*Rewritten: 2006-6-24 (ignore posts until the 3rd page please, besides this
one)
Please ignore horribly stupid title. I would edit it if I could. Pretend it
says, "Should we have sexuality?" or something like that.
Sexuality (not just sex, but sexuality in general) has caused much death, war,
pain, and suffering for the human race. It has also allowed us to reproduce, but
what will the value of sexuality be once we're able to reproduce without sex?
Pretty much just for pleasure. Most animals want pleasure, which is a natural
thing. The purpose for that pleasure is
to give us reason for reproduction. Love probably comes from both that desire
for pleasure (for certain people, love is a somewhat broad term) and for social
purposes, since humans are social creatures. I don't think we should be
controlled by desires that are built into us. Sexuality and love are basically
our body's way of brainwashing us into reproducing and making social contacts,
and of course there are the biological benefits which allow variation in humans
so fewer diseases will kill us off (although with modern medicine this fact is
pretty much meaningless to humans, and therefore isn't really a
benefit).
Edit: I'm not sure this thread even belongs here. I think this board was more of
a "debate" board in MT 2, but in MT 3 it's purely religion/science
debate. I think it needs to be moved...
americans (not all) tend to think that you have to be straight but you don't
have to if you don't want to it all comes down to what you wanna be and what
your comfortable with
Quote by Endless-Passionto me
their isn't any right way you have to be
americans (not all) tend to think that you have to be straight but you
don't have to if you don't want to it all comes down to what you wanna
be and what your comfortable with
Not exactly what I meant... I am saying it is wrong to be any of the 3 because
the only benefit of it is children; which is the reason for the human population
(which isn't neccesary because of cloning therefore I'm against the defense that
we need it to keep the human population around). The other is the social benefit
crap, which is what I'm against (instint/ chemicals in you body). I am wondering
why you're (everyone) letting you brain control your actions... it just seems
pathetic.
Edit: I last posted here 1859wk 6d ago. Umm k. Well looks like I did put it in
the wrong section by accident... sorry about that
Please don't kill me thread, movie to spam (without the 1859wk 6d ago thing).
I've never heard of anyone who thought that being straight is "wrong".
Well, with homosexuality it is a bit more controversial.
Well, I don't think that being gay or bi is wrong. Homosexuals didn't choose to
be gay, they just are gay.
Anyway, no matter which of those three you are, in the end it is just about
love. And can love be wrong?
And if you define love as feeling caused by chemicals in your body (hormons?),
then you have to consider that everything you do is because of this chemicals.
Quote by alexjohnc3I am wondering why
you're (everyone) letting you brain control your actions... it just seems
pathetic.
If your brain doesn't control your actions, what else does?
Quote by Mizu-kunI've never heard of
anyone who thought that being straight is "wrong".
Well, with homosexuality it is a bit more controversial. Well, I don't
think that being gay or bi is wrong. Homosexuals didn't choose to be
gay, they just are gay. Anyway, no matter which of those three you are,
in the end it is just about love. And can love be wrong? And if you
define love as feeling caused by chemicals in your body (hormons?),
then you have to consider that everything you do is because of this
chemicals.
Quote by alexjohnc3I am wondering why
you're (everyone)
letting you brain control your actions... it just seems
pathetic.
If your brain doesn't control your actions, what else
does?
You DO choose to be gay, if God wanted you to be gay he would have given men a
way to give childbirth. People are only gay because it is easier for them to
have sex. Normally to have sex with a girl you need to A. Get to know her for a
while like talk to her.. B. Pay up. C. Illegal ways. Gay people go to gay bars
and shit and take Viagra and stuff so they can have sex with large numbers of
people in one day. I'm waaay against homo-sexuality and have to agree with
Bible. It aint right, and I equivalate it to murder. You ARE killing people by
spreading aids. Same thing with straight men who do that. What Alex is trying to
say is that he want's to know if it is right for people to f*** like monkies and
put their humanity aside to follow their primal instincts. Of course it aint
right.
ps About "it". "It" was a horrible monster and he was
fortunately killed.
Quote by xshintaxYou DO choose to be
gay, if God wanted you to be gay he would have
given men a way to give childbirth. People are only gay because it is
easier for them to have sex. Normally to have sex with a girl you need
to A. Get to know her for a while like talk to her.. B. Pay up. C.
Illegal ways. Gay people go to gay bars and shit and take Viagra and
stuff so they can have sex with large numbers of people in one day. I'm
waaay against homo-sexuality and have to agree with Bible. It aint
right, and I equivalate it to murder. You ARE killing people by
spreading aids. Same thing with straight men who do that. What Alex is
trying to say is that he want's to know if it is right for people to
f*** like monkies and put their humanity aside to follow their primal
instincts. Of course it aint right.
Maybe you didn't recognize, but I don't believe in god. Therefore I don't care
if you say that god doesn't want men to be gay.
You don't choose to be gay, you just are gay because of your hormones.
Saying that homosexuals are homosexual just for having sex with masses of people
is extremely insolent.
Quote by xshintax]ps About
"it". "It" was a horrible
monster and he was fortunately killed.
Quote by Mizu-kunAnd can love be
wrong?
And if you define love as feeling caused by chemicals in your body (hormons?),
then you have to consider that everything you do is because of this
chemicals.
Everything I do is love? 0_o
Hormones = evil. Love = Evil. Master Maha = Good. It = Clown thingie that Shinta
explained was dead. Posts by me on this thread = Hard to understand by some
(especially Shinta...).
When I said your letting your brain control you, I had meant that the hormones
directly affect your brain. So therefore I am wondering why people choose to
allow themselves to be controled without even questioning the idea of
"love", especially with the knowledge that all it is, is
hormones.
Quote by shadowcat23Im against
cloning its not natural
That's not very nice to say, what is bad against people making advancements in
science? You know what the word natural means, don't you? It is basically what
occurs over time. However artificial is something that was forced to happen sort
of. Artificial is mostly associated with humans, although that in itself is
incorrect because humans are natural so whatever comes from them is also a
natural occurance. Of course if you believe in any God(s) that created the
universe and such then you believe everything is artificial. I hope you
understand.
Quote by alexjohnc3When I said your
letting your brain control you, I had meant that the
hormones directly affect your brain. So therefore I am wondering why people
choose to allow themselves to be controled without even questioning the idea of
"love", especially with the knowledge that all it is, is
hormones.
Because they don't know/believe that love is nothing more than hormones dashing
trough their body.
But you have to conisder that every feeling you feel is because of these
hormones, if it is anger, sadness or happiness. Maybe you can live with the
knowledge that emotions are nothing but illusions, but not everybody can do so.
I don't really understand this,but I'll try to awnser it
Love is love,if someone is straight,they're straight,if someone is gay,they're
gay,ect.
It has nothing to do with you brain.It's all in the horomones.
Quote by Mizu-kunBecause they don't
know/believe that love is nothing more than hormones
dashing trough their body.
But you have to conisder that every feeling you feel is because of
these hormones, if it is anger, sadness or happiness. Maybe you can
live with the knowledge that emotions are nothing but illusions, but
not everybody can do so.
So then where do you stand exactly? You (people in general) can't believe
something that is false or else your just fooling yourself.
Quote by alexjohnc3So then where do
you stand exactly? You (people in general) can't
believe something that is false or else your just fooling
yourself.
Of course people can believe something that is false (keyword: religion).
But it isn't easy to accept that feelings are just illusions. Also many people
don't even think about this.
As for me, I know that feelings are mere illusions, but accepting this takes
some time.
But if you really always consider that your emotions are completely worthless,
you won't have much fun in life.
No I think it is silly to say that the only reason for you to have sex is to
create (and therefore have sex only with someone of the opposite sex), because
then you're pretty much saying human beings only function is to reproduce. Which
is well and good if all you want to do in life is have kids, but I'm sure most
people have other plans. Whether they eventually want kids or not is irrelevant;
its not going to be their whole entire life's goal/ambition. If it was, there
would be no difference at all between us and animals/parasites.
I don't have a religion either. I refuse to until I have even a small amount of
what I consider to be logical evidence.
The question now is, "Are feelings bad*, and is ***uality bad?" Well
the negative affects of feelings are sadness, anxiety, etc. while the good
things are happyness, and such. But for ***uality, the positive affects are you
feel happy if you have a boyfriend/ girlfriend, while the negative effects are
things like sadness (if you lose the person). However all these do not
physically affect someone (well anxiety can I guess... that's not the point).
Now we get into the fact that there are **** then murders of people who are
completely innocent, gays being beaten (I think its happened before...) and
such.
Now the question is being gay, straight, or bi physically dangerous to some
people? Yes.
Are emotions physically dangerous to people? Hardly.
*My definition of "bad" is basically anything that negitively affects
the human population/ society.
personally i am unsure if it is instincts or not. i dont think there is anything
wrong with being the way you are. if no one can accept you for that then they
arent a true friend
Quote by alexjohnc3The question now
is, "Are feelings bad*, and is ***uality bad?" Well
the negative affects of feelings are sadness, anxiety, etc. while the good
things are happyness, and such. But for ***uality, the positive affects are you
feel happy if you have a boyfriend/ girlfriend, while the negative effects are
things like sadness (if you lose the person). However all these do not
physically affect someone (well anxiety can I guess... that's not the point).
Now we get into the fact that there are **** then murders of people who are
completely innocent, gays being beaten (I think its happened before...) and
such.
A wonderful example that there is no "black" or "white",
just different shades of gray.
I don't think that cloning will be allowed... anyway, I think that sexual
orientation is just a society thing. After all, for the first democracy, being
bi was fine (I mean Ancient Greece). Just see that Zeus also kidnaped young
men... Or there was incest with the pharaons...
*Rewritten: 2006-6-24 (ignore posts until the 3rd page please, besides this one)
Please ignore horribly stupid title. I would edit it if I could. Pretend it says, "Should we have sexuality?" or something like that.
Sexuality (not just sex, but sexuality in general) has caused much death, war, pain, and suffering for the human race. It has also allowed us to reproduce, but what will the value of sexuality be once we're able to reproduce without sex? Pretty much just for pleasure. Most animals want pleasure, which is a natural thing. The purpose for that pleasure is to give us reason for reproduction. Love probably comes from both that desire for pleasure (for certain people, love is a somewhat broad term) and for social purposes, since humans are social creatures. I don't think we should be controlled by desires that are built into us. Sexuality and love are basically our body's way of brainwashing us into reproducing and making social contacts, and of course there are the biological benefits which allow variation in humans so fewer diseases will kill us off (although with modern medicine this fact is pretty much meaningless to humans, and therefore isn't really a benefit).
A good website that I found a while back: http://www.ktk.ru/~cm/faqnew.htm
Edit: I'm not sure this thread even belongs here. I think this board was more of a "debate" board in MT 2, but in MT 3 it's purely religion/science debate. I think it needs to be moved...
i dun get this
Me is saying explain why being straight, gay, or bi, is right because of the statements I made in my last post. =P
to me their isn't any right way you have to be
americans (not all) tend to think that you have to be straight but you don't have to if you don't want to it all comes down to what you wanna be and what your comfortable with
Not exactly what I meant... I am saying it is wrong to be any of the 3 because the only benefit of it is children; which is the reason for the human population (which isn't neccesary because of cloning therefore I'm against the defense that we need it to keep the human population around). The other is the social benefit crap, which is what I'm against (instint/ chemicals in you body). I am wondering why you're (everyone) letting you brain control your actions... it just seems pathetic.
Edit: I last posted here 1859wk 6d ago. Umm k. Well looks like I did put it in the wrong section by accident... sorry about that
Please don't kill me thread, movie to spam (without the 1859wk 6d ago thing).
I've never heard of anyone who thought that being straight is "wrong". Well, with homosexuality it is a bit more controversial.
Well, I don't think that being gay or bi is wrong. Homosexuals didn't choose to be gay, they just are gay.
Anyway, no matter which of those three you are, in the end it is just about love. And can love be wrong?
And if you define love as feeling caused by chemicals in your body (hormons?), then you have to consider that everything you do is because of this chemicals.
If your brain doesn't control your actions, what else does?
rephrase your questions cuz people are not understanding you
Im against cloning its not natural
its called evolution, and Im all for it.
and being bi or gay has nothing to do with your mind, its all in the hormones. Once you hit puberty you feel attracted to the sex you're supposed to.
You DO choose to be gay, if God wanted you to be gay he would have given men a way to give childbirth. People are only gay because it is easier for them to have sex. Normally to have sex with a girl you need to A. Get to know her for a while like talk to her.. B. Pay up. C. Illegal ways. Gay people go to gay bars and shit and take Viagra and stuff so they can have sex with large numbers of people in one day. I'm waaay against homo-sexuality and have to agree with Bible. It aint right, and I equivalate it to murder. You ARE killing people by spreading aids. Same thing with straight men who do that. What Alex is trying to say is that he want's to know if it is right for people to f*** like monkies and put their humanity aside to follow their primal instincts. Of course it aint right.
ps About "it". "It" was a horrible monster and he was fortunately killed.
Maybe you didn't recognize, but I don't believe in god. Therefore I don't care if you say that god doesn't want men to be gay.
You don't choose to be gay, you just are gay because of your hormones.
Saying that homosexuals are homosexual just for having sex with masses of people is extremely insolent.
But this is undeniably true.
Get used to it. I'm an ruthless guy, and I don't care that you don't care. Makes us very even.
Shinta you made me crack up.
Everything I do is love? 0_o
Hormones = evil. Love = Evil. Master Maha = Good. It = Clown thingie that Shinta explained was dead. Posts by me on this thread = Hard to understand by some (especially Shinta...).
When I said your letting your brain control you, I had meant that the hormones directly affect your brain. So therefore I am wondering why people choose to allow themselves to be controled without even questioning the idea of "love", especially with the knowledge that all it is, is hormones.
That's not very nice to say, what is bad against people making advancements in science? You know what the word natural means, don't you? It is basically what occurs over time. However artificial is something that was forced to happen sort of. Artificial is mostly associated with humans, although that in itself is incorrect because humans are natural so whatever comes from them is also a natural occurance. Of course if you believe in any God(s) that created the universe and such then you believe everything is artificial. I hope you understand.
Because they don't know/believe that love is nothing more than hormones dashing trough their body.
But you have to conisder that every feeling you feel is because of these hormones, if it is anger, sadness or happiness. Maybe you can live with the knowledge that emotions are nothing but illusions, but not everybody can do so.
I don't really understand this,but I'll try to awnser it
Love is love,if someone is straight,they're straight,if someone is gay,they're gay,ect.
It has nothing to do with you brain.It's all in the horomones.
So then where do you stand exactly? You (people in general) can't believe something that is false or else your just fooling yourself.
Of course people can believe something that is false (keyword: religion).
But it isn't easy to accept that feelings are just illusions. Also many people don't even think about this.
As for me, I know that feelings are mere illusions, but accepting this takes some time.
But if you really always consider that your emotions are completely worthless, you won't have much fun in life.
No I think it is silly to say that the only reason for you to have sex is to create (and therefore have sex only with someone of the opposite sex), because then you're pretty much saying human beings only function is to reproduce. Which is well and good if all you want to do in life is have kids, but I'm sure most people have other plans. Whether they eventually want kids or not is irrelevant; its not going to be their whole entire life's goal/ambition. If it was, there would be no difference at all between us and animals/parasites.
I don't have a religion either. I refuse to until I have even a small amount of what I consider to be logical evidence.
The question now is, "Are feelings bad*, and is ***uality bad?" Well the negative affects of feelings are sadness, anxiety, etc. while the good things are happyness, and such. But for ***uality, the positive affects are you feel happy if you have a boyfriend/ girlfriend, while the negative effects are things like sadness (if you lose the person). However all these do not physically affect someone (well anxiety can I guess... that's not the point). Now we get into the fact that there are **** then murders of people who are completely innocent, gays being beaten (I think its happened before...) and such.
Now the question is being gay, straight, or bi physically dangerous to some people? Yes.
Are emotions physically dangerous to people? Hardly.
*My definition of "bad" is basically anything that negitively affects the human population/ society.
//there would be no difference at all between us and animals/parasites.//
Scientifically speaking humans are animals. Just wanted to clear that up.
personally i am unsure if it is instincts or not. i dont think there is anything wrong with being the way you are. if no one can accept you for that then they arent a true friend
A wonderful example that there is no "black" or "white", just different shades of gray.
Well, yes that is true too. I think... what does that have to do with it though?
I don't think that cloning will be allowed... anyway, I think that sexual orientation is just a society thing. After all, for the first democracy, being bi was fine (I mean Ancient Greece). Just see that Zeus also kidnaped young men... Or there was incest with the pharaons...