I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm just really curious as to what
everyone thinks about this... I mean... Aren't wallpapers designed to be
destined to sit on someone's desktop?
I don't understand why people don't keep this in mind when they're creating a
wallpaper, because, for me, I think it's most important to think about the
audience... Sure, make a nice wallpaper, and if you want people to download it,
make sure it gives a great impression... But do the number of downloads really
reflect how many people use that wall? I've downloaded a lot of walls, mostly to
look at, or to keep sitting around on my computer, so that I can look at them
when I'm bored... Yet, I don't actually use many.
Problems include :
- Contrast being too much - Hurts eyes too much to look at most of the time, and
thus I don't want it on my desktop, or I reckon my myopia will worsen
- Crowdedness - My desktop has quite a few icons on it, so I like simple walls
more, but I won't object to a crowded wall if it simply looks good.
- Sheer messiness - Low quality walls don't make me want to use them. Usually I
don't bother saving them, or if I do, I delete them quickly.
- Slutty characters - I don't even bother looking at most of these, I'm not
interested in big breasts, or underwear.
- Character on the left - Not much of a big problem, but most of my icons happen
to be on that side, so...
Well, there are probably other things, but I'm not as experienced as a lot of
you when it comes to looking at walls, because most of the time I'm looking at
what Misa shows me [and I know for a fact that she's not into breasts or
underwear], and if people wander into "The Under-Appreciated" asking
for critiques... I'm sorry if this has wasted everyone's time... I just wanted
to express my opinions on this, because I'm tired of trying to critique walls
that are either ones I like, except I'd never use them, or are simply horrible.
But, a big thankyou to everyone who keeps us viewers happy =)
- Tevi
P.S. This is not aimed at anyone in particular... Sincerest apologies for any
insult caused.
Well said If I had written something like that it would take me twice as long
to get my point through xd
i spose people just reckon that brighter colours brings the life out of a
desktop so that it looks cheerful and stuff... but erm, yeah, sometimes desktop
brightness really kills it all and all that stuff... it's a problem around that
lots of people say they want to improve, and yet they submit everything they
make because they want the levels and the critique (which usually doesn't come)
and so when they don't receive any criticism they think that the coast is clear
and it is good to continue going on how they usually do.
People are sometimes too polite to point out that there are problems- others
don't bother downloading at all and judge (misjudge rather) from a
thumbnail.
I know for a fact that I have 3 softer walls in my own gallery that are high
quality wallpapers that are not blurry at all. The thumb looks blurry, and I go
beserk when people tell me "but I think it's a bit blurry" when I
haven't blurred the original scan. It just happened to have a lot of soft clouds
and white stuff in it...
I spose if we all try to somehow critique walls... just target someone a day or
a week, eventually people will realise their stuff isn't up to state. If worse
comes to worse there's always the report button... I guess... you can report
anything with a blurry scan, bad extraction, or anything you deem a low effort
wall (this is all from botchiii notices... I've only gotten one and it was a
really stupid mistake of me... I pixelated my scan on purpose ... what an idiot
I was )
But yah... keep people happy, make nicer and higher quality walls ~~~
And comment good. Be brutal with politeness if needed O.O
Well, the thing is, I don't think it's politeness a lot of the time... Because,
I just keep reading horrible horrible comments, where people are just screaming
"Omg, cute couple, hot guy, I just LOVE them" and all that... Or, it's
"Omg, I LOVE you!! YOU rock!!! All your walls are so great~~!!" -
*cringe* It's either fanaticism or friend-ism [if there isn't such a word, there
should be]... X_x
Well a lot of people don't care what the artist has done but rather care what's
being featured on the desktop. In that case people should just use scans as
desktops if they don't appreciate the hard work extracting and stuff.
i have read comments just saying "great I fave anything
Naruto"
*looks at the gallery*
No wonder why there are so many there...
Yeah, well said. I also download alot of wallpapers, but don't always use them.
I download all the wallpapers that I like and /may/ use but then I look at them
again and again and decide that I don't like them after all.
Thought, about the characters being on the left, I suppose you you really love
that wallpaper, you;d be willing to switch your icons onto the otherside, or at
least that's how it is with me. Though I only have 4 Icons alltogether at most
times, which makes it eaisier and gives more space for the wallpaper.
But Hey, I've not made any great wallpapers yet! Just one of Chii, but it was
plain and boring =S
i try to make my comments as useful as possible but end up most of the time,
well arent ^_^;; i may d/l wallpapers but i dont use them, i do use wallpapers
that come from here
all my icons are on the left and i have 8 icons, i need to get rid of a couple
lol but yeah, some times simple is effective but i dont mind the ones with alot
of stuff on it, effects and stuff but not too much
Quote by tevi- Slutty characters - I don't
even bother looking at most of these, I'm not interested in big breasts, or
underwear.
same here. ecchi feels so swallow, "oh look
at my ass!, wouldnt you like to nail me? ^^" I hate people like that IRL,
they have no real personality, and are never interesting; and its the same with
anime.
Quote by kuroimisai spose people just
reckon that brighter colours brings the life out of a desktop so that it looks
cheerful and stuff... but erm, yeah, sometimes desktop brightness really kills
it all and all that stuff...
I agree. I'd rather be staring
at white text on an absolute black screen all day than black text on a bright
white screen, its alot easier on the eyes. I also just generally like dark
colours alot more, they feel so much more deep.
Quote: People are sometimes too
polite to point out that there are problems
I think that
problem comes from an inability from some people to accept criticism. A couple
of times, I havent meantioned that anything is really great, but I have pointed
out a problem (not all that polite, but not rude either), and OH TEH noes!!!,
they think I hate what they have come up with. imho, The people who wont point
out problems are either too polite because they are afriad of something
happening similar to that last sentence, they are too stupid or too much of a
[insert-anime-here] fan to see or want to recognize problems, or they just cant
be bothered.
A BIG problem I HAVE WITH MINITOKYO:
It seems the focus is only on anime here (with the odd abstract wall chucked
in). I like it at DeviantArt, how they accept almost anything, even some non graphic stuff like poetry. I mean sure,
this site is meant mainly for anime/manga, but come on, cant we see a bit of
other types of art? I know alot of people here are into poetry (and the like),
photography and non anime drawn art; I dont see any reason stuff like that
shouldnt be accepted.
I would really like to share some of my
photography here on Minitokyo, but oh no, it isnt anime or abstract and it wasnt
made on a computer?, sorry but they dont want anything like that here on
MT.
(Sorry about straying away from wallpapers and to art in general, but I think a
conversation like this should cover more than just walls.)
Quote: A BIG problem I HAVE WITH
MINITOKYO:
It seems the focus is only on anime here (with the odd abstract wall chucked
in). I like it at DeviantArt, how they accept almost anything, even some non
graphic stuff like poetry. I mean sure, this site is meant mainly for
anime/manga, but come on, cant we see a bit of other types of art? I know alot
of people here are into poetry (and the like), photography and non anime drawn
art; I dont see any reason stuff like that shouldnt be accepted.
I would really like to share some of my photography here on Minitokyo, but oh
no, it isnt anime or abstract and it wasnt made on a computer?, sorry but they
dont want anything like that here on MT.
(Sorry about straying away from wallpapers and to art in general, but I think a
conversation like this should cover more than just
walls.)
Breadcrust, you are officially my hero now
Well even saying so, there are those kinds of wallpapers that are overlooked.
Like I mean you never see an abstract make it to the top or you don't even see a
wallpaper witha human scan make it to the top either.
i spose why it's not accepted (photography) is cuz it's Minitokyo <-- the
name... but I guess it should be okay to submit it as a stock (or am I imagining
things ._.)
But yah. People should throw aside their fanaticness about scans and the
categories and just like stuff. I know that manyyyy studios are also overlooked
cuz they aren't popular. Great works. No recognition. People also bite the hard
work. Blah.
I really agree what tevi have mentioned. I'm not sure why but... I think people
post wallpapers based on only quantity instead of quality. And not to mention,
ecchi and all those eye-sickening stuffs. From what Misa have mentioned before
(maybe quite long ago, maybe not) People actually with great skills and make
good works just don't get the recognition coz they just don't have the thing
they want in it. Might the wall be pretty and cool and spiffy, but no girls,
less downloads. And that really piss me off. And I just wanna make sure... do
you guys often see GUY wallies in the highlighted section? Guess not.
And yesh, I also agree what breadcrust said about dark walls. I really really
LOVE dark walls! Okay, maybe I don't really make dark walls *ehem*, and do
more... bright walls *ehem ehem*, since I'm trying to learn how to make walls of
all types, but yesh... it's really pointless if you make bright walls just to
get attention. But if you see me doing that, maybe I'm just practicing. ^^ But I'm trying
to do dark walls, and dark walls really gives us the calm and peaceful feelings
instead of bright walls slapped with sexy chicks.
Oh, one more thing, I don't save wallpapers so often so that everytime I submit
my work, people will fave them and use them. I don't expect them to do that, and
I hope they don't expect me to do so too.
For me, I create wallpapers because I wanna express my own feelings. Probably a
very simple reason, but I think it's really meaningful instead of going around
getting people's attention. ^^ We work with our heart!
Quote by Ephemeral-GardenI
really agree what tevi have mentioned. I'm not sure why but... I
think people post wallpapers based on only quantity instead of quality.
And not to mention, ecchi and all those eye-sickening stuffs. From what
Misa have mentioned before (maybe quite long ago, maybe not) People
actually with great skills and make good works just don't get the
recognition coz they just don't have the thing they want in it. Might
the wall be pretty and cool and spiffy, but no girls, less downloads.
Well right now it'sa "top fav" section so, of course, yuo'll see many
girls. Expect a lot less when MT3 see the light and we have manually picked
highlighted submissions.
As for the walls, I like both simple and cluttered walls. depends on the mood
Andpeople can express whatever they want I think It's
more a matter of personal taste
Well right now it'sa "top fav" section so, of course, yuo'll see
many
girls. Expect a lot less when MT3 see the light and we have manually
picked highlighted submissions.
As for the walls, I like both simple and cluttered walls. depends on
the mood Andpeople can express whatever they want I think
It's
more a matter of personal taste
Quote by Ephemeral-GardenFor me,
I create wallpapers because I wanna express my own feelings. Probably a very
simple reason, but I think it's really meaningful instead of going around
getting people's attention. ^^ We work with our heart!
I'm so proud of people who do that! Art IS an expression, of whatever it is that
you want to show the rest of the world! [Err, that may have been slight
plaguirised from NWP] I think it's great that some people work towards
improvement, rather than favourites... For me, I find it most interesting to
watch as people improve... That's why I'm doing my best to get around to
critiquing people who really want the criticism... But what's irking me, is that
people who ask for criticism, and then can't hack it. It's a waste of both my
time, and their time [especially mine, since I'm meant to be uh, studying...
]
But hmm, this HAS gone slightly off-track... Sorry about that! But I hope that
people got my point, that if you're aiming to make a successful wall, make one
that people will be proud to feature on their desktop, and don't make it too
difficult for people to use it! ^^
And to Keltosh [if you're still around somewhere] : I hope that you won't just
be picking submissions based on opinion... Maybe take into account the
useability of the wall, as I've been trying to say...? I mean, if a wall is just
fantastic and has incredible impact, it deserves recognition, but if it's not
keeping in mind the audience and the purpose of the wallpaper medium, *in my
opinion*, it wouldn't be as "great" in terms of being a wall...
Otherwise, why shouldn't people just submit it under doujinshi?
Quote by Ephemeral-GardenFor me,
I create wallpapers because I wanna express my own feelings. Probably a very
simple reason, but I think it's really meaningful instead of going around
getting people's attention. ^^ We work with our heart!
Exactly. Walling is my creative outlet. I don't care if anybody likes it or not.
Ywah, some of those walls that are too bright make your eyes hurt. Thats why I
like dark walls. F
Heh. Me, before the great Age of Teryon, I used to collect wallpapers. Thousands
of them. *holds up a DVDR full of nothing but categorized walls*. And y`know
what?
80% of them are alike. Same scan, similar swirly-ooo-pretty background. Very few
convey anything, or are dark. I like dark. I like grunge..look at my gallery.
And I like backgrounds with some sense of effort. I know Im not the best at
making a match between background and scan, but at least I try. Besides, I make
it a point to almost never do a scan used either at all, or alot. Most of mine
are doujin or vectors or something.
I just wanted to see what hadnt been done before. And with my collection, I had
a pretty frelling good idea about what hadnt been done. I do tend to stick to a
few conventions though, which basically center around clean scan,
right-centered(or perhaps just centered), and some attempt at cohesiveness.
Otherwise..it just irks me. And I dont need irked; I work in fast food, Im irked
and pissed off 8 hrs of the day. I dont need my computer to do the same to me,
y`know?
Quote by teviI'm sorry if this offends
anyone, but I'm just really curious as to what everyone thinks about this... I
mean... Aren't wallpapers designed to be destined to sit on someone's
desktop?
I don't understand why people don't keep this in mind when they're creating a
wallpaper, because, for me, I think it's most important to think about the
audience... Sure, make a nice wallpaper, and if you want people to download it,
make sure it gives a great impression... But do the number of downloads really
reflect how many people use that wall? I've downloaded a lot of walls, mostly to
look at, or to keep sitting around on my computer, so that I can look at them
when I'm bored... Yet, I don't actually use many.
Problems include :
- Contrast being too much - Hurts eyes too much to look at most of the time, and
thus I don't want it on my desktop, or I reckon my myopia will worsen
>.<
- Crowdedness - My desktop has quite a few icons on it, so I like simple walls
more, but I won't object to a crowded wall if it simply looks good.
- Sheer messiness - Low quality walls don't make me want to use them. Usually I
don't bother saving them, or if I do, I delete them quickly.
- Slutty characters - I don't even bother looking at most of these, I'm not
interested in big breasts, or underwear.
- Character on the left - Not much of a big problem, but most of my icons happen
to be on that side, so...
Well, there are probably other things, but I'm not as experienced as a lot of
you when it comes to looking at walls, because most of the time I'm looking at
what Misa shows me [and I know for a fact that she's not into breasts or
underwear], and if people wander into "The Under-Appreciated" asking
for critiques... I'm sorry if this has wasted everyone's time... I just wanted
to express my opinions on this, because I'm tired of trying to critique walls
that are either ones I like, except I'd never use them, or are simply horrible.
But, a big thankyou to everyone who keeps us viewers happy =)
- Tevi
P.S. This is not aimed at anyone in particular... Sincerest apologies for any
insult caused.
While I'll agree with you on some counts, there are actually some designers--not
many, certainly--who actually try to make their dt designs into art. By art, I'm
not referring to mere eye candyÃ¢â‚¬â€ťany idiot
with half an idea of how to work photoshop can make that if they put a little
effort into it. Still, I have to agree that no matter what kind of artistic
licenses you allow, if it hurts your eyes to look at it, it doesn't really
fulfil its function.
Incidentally, on that last point of yours--try to keep in mind that a lot of
people here use macs, too, and those have the icons on the right by default. If
you have a problem with the positioning of the character, any designer who has
any decency at all could probably rearrange it for you if it doesn't hurt the
integrity of the piece.
For me Wallpapers are art.... it is true it will not be as special as it is from
your first look but I don't want either to crave for it so better save it... I
don't mind the memory of my computer as long this wallpapers are special to
me....
I think that most people simply pump out walls in an effort to gain other
peoples attention and praise without truly trying to improve on their walling
abilities on even thinking about the people who might use their walls. I don't
actually use desktop icons (the taskbar in handier), so it doesn't matter where
the characters are in the wall. The walls I pick to grace my desktop tend to be
very simple, with great contrast, good colours, great extraction, clean and LCD
friendly. I've downloaded thousands of walls and out of that I only consider
around 350 for my desktop, and yes Misa some of your walls are there I
really dislike walls with ecchi tones (maybe because I'm female) and simply
because my login is used by many people including my mother so I have to really
watch that anything I use doesn't offend my family, which is easy because I
don't download 'em But
the things i really hate is when wallers extract a perfectly good image with
the magic wand tool (making it not only eyesore but also wrecking the image) and
then wacking it on a plain one colour background, or even worse use screenshots
and a filter over the top to try and disguise the blurriness. Where's the
effort in that!!! Walls only look good when some thought or effort is put into
them.
The vast majority of what's going on is that people are churning out crap to get
praise. As a matter of fact, most of Minitokyo is an absolute farce. There's no
rhyme or reason as to why things have turned out the way they have, except for
the simple fact that humans desire praise. It's one of the baser
instincts.
In fact, many of those who actually deserved some of the praise they got let it
go far too much to their heads, and they, too, start churning out crap. I'll
make one concession there, namely that the vast numbers of people who said
people have on their friendslist would probably be demanding more. Nevertheless,
throwing trash under the bed to quiet the monsters is no way to seriously deal
with a problem. If fans get in your way, trample on them. Quite honestly, this
is why I'm glad I'm obscure. I'm not getting nearly the attention I'd like,
especially in the region of pure criticism, which is what I'd like if I could
get it, but at least I don't have hordes of idiots breathing down my
neck.
In short: the only one I ever churn crap out for is myself.
But I don't care about weird/ugly. I've made some of the weirdest dt designs on
this site. I care about artistic value, I care about aesthetic value, and I care
about technical skill. I HATE eye candy wallpapers where what was obviously most
difficult was the extraction of the original scan. I don't care how
aesthetically pleasing they are, they're crap if they don't at least utilize
some creativity in pure technical skill. And virtually nothing popular on MT
utilizes the both of them, let alone having anything in the way of artistic
ability.
I don't think that there is anything deemed "ugly". Unless it was
*really* ugly. That in my definition is:
*something slapped onto something (doesn't matter if it's scan slapped onto
background or something like flowers slapped onto wall)
*something that had no effort (you can tell)
*something "omg I've seen that ten times before it's boring"
And there are probably more, but the thing is, I think there is no such thing as
"ugly". You know what I'm trying to say.. .I'm not doing a good job
saying it, but just because there are "uglier" walls aka the more
"not popular" aka "the more original walls" it doesn't mean
they are poorly structured, bad or lacking in effort.
I once spent hours and hours on something.
Sure, it wasn't good looking, but it was something different and I thought that
people would appreciate it for its originality and quirkiness. In the end I
received a comment (judge's comment) that it was ugly -.-'
That's not fair.
The bottom line is though, that there are some works which are severly
overlooked and those with more "pleasant" looking things that peopel
are used to like trees, moons, water, and sparkles are getting there (and
clouds... and the lens flare...)
I'm not proud of my top 2 submissions. I have always liked my third one to be
the top submission, and there are many others in my gallery including my latest
w.a.r submission I would have liked to see get around somewhere.
And I know they are not visually appealing. But I think my wallpapers and I plan
them.
I don't look at my psd, tilt my head and go "oh, I think a moon would look
nice there"... I put it there for a *reason*. More than often people don't
go beyond thinking a setting or the colours for their wallpapers and head
straight into the obvious.
And I have *never* put more than one moon in my wallpapers. We don't live on
Saturn or Jupiter last time I checked, so why should there be more than
one?
And those wallpapers that are extremely bright just don't work.
When I wall I wall for my desktop. I set it at 30% brightness and if you have
yours jacked up at 100% and complain that it's too bright, tough. Because I base
it on where *my* icons are and what *my* preferences are.
I've gotten 13 favorites on all my submissions, period. There's a major
difference between "ugly,"
"crap," and "unappreciated." Ugliness is simply a matter of
aesthetics. Toilet paper, or plain old crud, is what you were describing.
Unappreciatedness is the simple fact that the wallpaper hasn't gotten any real
attention whatsoever. One of my personal favorite wallpapers that I've created
was submitted 17 weeks and 2 days ago. It's received a grand total of 63 views
and 32 downloads. Whether it is ugly or not, whether it is crap or not, this is
underappreciation right here. Nobody knows, or ever knew, that it existed.
Namely because I almost never put anybody on my friendslist, but that's for
reasons that I've already given.
A dt design can be ugly (aesthetically displeasing) and still be good
(artistically/technically pleasing). Especially if said ugliness was purposeful. I know what you mean,
Misa, but it's hardly fair to limit a person's vocabulary simply because the
vast majority of people wouldn't know what to do with it if it came up and bit
them in the ass.
so everybody not like load wall or load but not use them. i use a program to
automatically change walls so all them will have a time display in desktop. when
they so many i burn to disk to keep. what wrong with that?!
if you not like them don't load, if you not like make walls don't post. if post
one it must look good so you will have a lost of reply, if you don't want them,
don't post . if you just want have some friend here just pm to them, you'll
comfortable. be cause everyone saw a look good wall or scan you will have a
lost of reply - horrible horrible comments - like you think.
so don't want them - reading horrible horrible comments as you think - don't
post wall or scan anymore.
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm just really curious as to what everyone thinks about this... I mean... Aren't wallpapers designed to be destined to sit on someone's desktop?
I don't understand why people don't keep this in mind when they're creating a wallpaper, because, for me, I think it's most important to think about the audience... Sure, make a nice wallpaper, and if you want people to download it, make sure it gives a great impression... But do the number of downloads really reflect how many people use that wall? I've downloaded a lot of walls, mostly to look at, or to keep sitting around on my computer, so that I can look at them when I'm bored... Yet, I don't actually use many.
Problems include :
- Contrast being too much - Hurts eyes too much to look at most of the time, and thus I don't want it on my desktop, or I reckon my myopia will worsen
- Crowdedness - My desktop has quite a few icons on it, so I like simple walls more, but I won't object to a crowded wall if it simply looks good.
- Sheer messiness - Low quality walls don't make me want to use them. Usually I don't bother saving them, or if I do, I delete them quickly.
- Slutty characters - I don't even bother looking at most of these, I'm not interested in big breasts, or underwear.
- Character on the left - Not much of a big problem, but most of my icons happen to be on that side, so...
Well, there are probably other things, but I'm not as experienced as a lot of you when it comes to looking at walls, because most of the time I'm looking at what Misa shows me [and I know for a fact that she's not into breasts or underwear], and if people wander into "The Under-Appreciated" asking for critiques... I'm sorry if this has wasted everyone's time... I just wanted to express my opinions on this, because I'm tired of trying to critique walls that are either ones I like, except I'd never use them, or are simply horrible. But, a big thankyou to everyone who keeps us viewers happy =)
- Tevi
P.S. This is not aimed at anyone in particular... Sincerest apologies for any insult caused.
Well said
If I had written something like that it would take me twice as long
to get my point through xd
i spose people just reckon that brighter colours brings the life out of a desktop so that it looks cheerful and stuff... but erm, yeah, sometimes desktop brightness really kills it all and all that stuff... it's a problem around that lots of people say they want to improve, and yet they submit everything they make because they want the levels and the critique (which usually doesn't come) and so when they don't receive any criticism they think that the coast is clear and it is good to continue going on how they usually do.
People are sometimes too polite to point out that there are problems- others don't bother downloading at all and judge (misjudge rather) from a thumbnail.
I know for a fact that I have 3 softer walls in my own gallery that are high quality wallpapers that are not blurry at all. The thumb looks blurry, and I go beserk when people tell me "but I think it's a bit blurry" when I haven't blurred the original scan. It just happened to have a lot of soft clouds and white stuff in it...
I spose if we all try to somehow critique walls... just target someone a day or a week, eventually people will realise their stuff isn't up to state. If worse comes to worse there's always the report button... I guess... you can report anything with a blurry scan, bad extraction, or anything you deem a low effort wall (this is all from botchiii notices... I've only gotten one and it was a really stupid mistake of me... I pixelated my scan on purpose ... what an idiot I was )
But yah... keep people happy, make nicer and higher quality walls ~~~
And comment good. Be brutal with politeness if needed O.O
Well, the thing is, I don't think it's politeness a lot of the time... Because, I just keep reading horrible horrible comments, where people are just screaming "Omg, cute couple, hot guy, I just LOVE them" and all that... Or, it's "Omg, I LOVE you!! YOU rock!!! All your walls are so great~~!!" - *cringe* It's either fanaticism or friend-ism [if there isn't such a word, there should be]... X_x
Well a lot of people don't care what the artist has done but rather care what's being featured on the desktop. In that case people should just use scans as desktops if they don't appreciate the hard work extracting and stuff.
i have read comments just saying "great I fave anything Naruto"
*looks at the gallery*
No wonder why there are so many there...
Have you heard the phrase 'Walls are meant to be posted on 4chan?'
I was laughing at the one who said that. What a loser.
Yeah, well said. I also download alot of wallpapers, but don't always use them. I download all the wallpapers that I like and /may/ use but then I look at them again and again and decide that I don't like them after all.
Thought, about the characters being on the left, I suppose you you really love that wallpaper, you;d be willing to switch your icons onto the otherside, or at least that's how it is with me. Though I only have 4 Icons alltogether at most times, which makes it eaisier and gives more space for the wallpaper.
But Hey, I've not made any great wallpapers yet! Just one of Chii, but it was plain and boring =S
i try to make my comments as useful as possible but end up most of the time, well arent ^_^;; i may d/l wallpapers but i dont use them, i do use wallpapers that come from here
all my icons are on the left and i have 8 icons, i need to get rid of a couple lol but yeah, some times simple is effective but i dont mind the ones with alot of stuff on it, effects and stuff but not too much
same here. ecchi feels so swallow, "oh look at my ass!, wouldnt you like to nail me? ^^" I hate people like that IRL, they have no real personality, and are never interesting; and its the same with anime.
I agree. I'd rather be staring at white text on an absolute black screen all day than black text on a bright white screen, its alot easier on the eyes. I also just generally like dark colours alot more, they feel so much more deep.
I think that problem comes from an inability from some people to accept criticism. A couple of times, I havent meantioned that anything is really great, but I have pointed out a problem (not all that polite, but not rude either), and OH TEH noes!!!, they think I hate what they have come up with. imho, The people who wont point out problems are either too polite because they are afriad of something happening similar to that last sentence, they are too stupid or too much of a [insert-anime-here] fan to see or want to recognize problems, or they just cant be bothered.
A BIG problem I HAVE WITH MINITOKYO:
It seems the focus is only on anime here (with the odd abstract wall chucked in). I like it at DeviantArt, how they accept almost anything, even some non graphic stuff like poetry. I mean sure, this site is meant mainly for anime/manga, but come on, cant we see a bit of other types of art? I know alot of people here are into poetry (and the like), photography and non anime drawn art; I dont see any reason stuff like that shouldnt be accepted.
I would really like to share some of my photography here on Minitokyo, but oh no, it isnt anime or abstract and it wasnt made on a computer?, sorry but they dont want anything like that here on MT.
(Sorry about straying away from wallpapers and to art in general, but I think a conversation like this should cover more than just walls.)
Breadcrust, you are officially my hero now
Well even saying so, there are those kinds of wallpapers that are overlooked. Like I mean you never see an abstract make it to the top or you don't even see a wallpaper witha human scan make it to the top either.
i spose why it's not accepted (photography) is cuz it's Minitokyo <-- the name... but I guess it should be okay to submit it as a stock (or am I imagining things ._.)
But yah. People should throw aside their fanaticness about scans and the categories and just like stuff. I know that manyyyy studios are also overlooked cuz they aren't popular. Great works. No recognition. People also bite the hard work. Blah.
*puts on sunnies*
I really agree what tevi have mentioned. I'm not sure why but... I think people post wallpapers based on only quantity instead of quality. And not to mention, ecchi and all those eye-sickening stuffs. From what Misa have mentioned before (maybe quite long ago, maybe not) People actually with great skills and make good works just don't get the recognition coz they just don't have the thing they want in it. Might the wall be pretty and cool and spiffy, but no girls, less downloads. And that really piss me off. And I just wanna make sure... do you guys often see GUY wallies in the highlighted section? Guess not.
And yesh, I also agree what breadcrust said about dark walls. I really really LOVE dark walls! Okay, maybe I don't really make dark walls *ehem*, and do more... bright walls *ehem ehem*, since I'm trying to learn how to make walls of all types, but yesh... it's really pointless if you make bright walls just to get attention.
But if you see me doing that, maybe I'm just practicing. ^^ But I'm trying
to do dark walls, and dark walls really gives us the calm and peaceful feelings
instead of bright walls slapped with sexy chicks. 
Oh, one more thing, I don't save wallpapers so often so that everytime I submit my work, people will fave them and use them. I don't expect them to do that, and I hope they don't expect me to do so too.
For me, I create wallpapers because I wanna express my own feelings. Probably a very simple reason, but I think it's really meaningful instead of going around getting people's attention. ^^ We work with our heart!
Well right now it'sa "top fav" section so, of course, yuo'll see many girls. Expect a lot less when MT3 see the light and we have manually picked highlighted submissions.
As for the walls, I like both simple and cluttered walls. depends on the mood
Andpeople can express whatever they want I think 
It's
more a matter of personal taste
Well right now it'sa "top fav" section so, of course, yuo'll see many
Andpeople can express whatever they want I think 
It's
girls. Expect a lot less when MT3 see the light and we have manually
picked highlighted submissions.
As for the walls, I like both simple and cluttered walls. depends on
the mood
more a matter of personal taste
Kel have a good point
I'm so proud of people who do that! Art IS an expression, of whatever it is that you want to show the rest of the world! [Err, that may have been slight plaguirised from NWP] I think it's great that some people work towards improvement, rather than favourites... For me, I find it most interesting to watch as people improve... That's why I'm doing my best to get around to critiquing people who really want the criticism... But what's irking me, is that people who ask for criticism, and then can't hack it. It's a waste of both my time, and their time [especially mine, since I'm meant to be uh, studying...
]
But hmm, this HAS gone slightly off-track... Sorry about that! But I hope that people got my point, that if you're aiming to make a successful wall, make one that people will be proud to feature on their desktop, and don't make it too difficult for people to use it! ^^
And to Keltosh [if you're still around somewhere] : I hope that you won't just be picking submissions based on opinion... Maybe take into account the useability of the wall, as I've been trying to say...? I mean, if a wall is just fantastic and has incredible impact, it deserves recognition, but if it's not keeping in mind the audience and the purpose of the wallpaper medium, *in my opinion*, it wouldn't be as "great" in terms of being a wall... Otherwise, why shouldn't people just submit it under doujinshi?
Exactly. Walling is my creative outlet. I don't care if anybody likes it or not. Ywah, some of those walls that are too bright make your eyes hurt. Thats why I like dark walls. F
Heh. Me, before the great Age of Teryon, I used to collect wallpapers. Thousands of them. *holds up a DVDR full of nothing but categorized walls*. And y`know what?
80% of them are alike. Same scan, similar swirly-ooo-pretty background. Very few convey anything, or are dark. I like dark. I like grunge..look at my gallery. And I like backgrounds with some sense of effort. I know Im not the best at making a match between background and scan, but at least I try. Besides, I make it a point to almost never do a scan used either at all, or alot. Most of mine are doujin or vectors or something.
I just wanted to see what hadnt been done before. And with my collection, I had a pretty frelling good idea about what hadnt been done. I do tend to stick to a few conventions though, which basically center around clean scan, right-centered(or perhaps just centered), and some attempt at cohesiveness. Otherwise..it just irks me. And I dont need irked; I work in fast food, Im irked and pissed off 8 hrs of the day. I dont need my computer to do the same to me, y`know?
While I'll agree with you on some counts, there are actually some designers--not many, certainly--who actually try to make their dt designs into art. By art, I'm not referring to mere eye candyÃ¢â‚¬â€ťany idiot with half an idea of how to work photoshop can make that if they put a little effort into it. Still, I have to agree that no matter what kind of artistic licenses you allow, if it hurts your eyes to look at it, it doesn't really fulfil its function.
Incidentally, on that last point of yours--try to keep in mind that a lot of people here use macs, too, and those have the icons on the right by default. If you have a problem with the positioning of the character, any designer who has any decency at all could probably rearrange it for you if it doesn't hurt the integrity of the piece.
For me Wallpapers are art.... it is true it will not be as special as it is from your first look but I don't want either to crave for it so better save it... I don't mind the memory of my computer as long this wallpapers are special to me....
only my opinion..
I think that most people simply pump out walls in an effort to gain other peoples attention and praise without truly trying to improve on their walling abilities on even thinking about the people who might use their walls. I don't actually use desktop icons (the taskbar in handier), so it doesn't matter where the characters are in the wall. The walls I pick to grace my desktop tend to be very simple, with great contrast, good colours, great extraction, clean and LCD friendly. I've downloaded thousands of walls and out of that I only consider around 350 for my desktop, and yes Misa some of your walls are there
I
really dislike walls with ecchi tones (maybe because I'm female) and simply
because my login is used by many people including my mother so I have to really
watch that anything I use doesn't offend my family, which is easy because I
don't download 'em 
But
the things i really hate is when wallers extract a perfectly good image with
the magic wand tool (making it not only eyesore but also wrecking the image) and
then wacking it on a plain one colour background, or even worse use screenshots
and a filter over the top to try and disguise the blurriness. Where's the
effort in that!!! Walls only look good when some thought or effort is put into
them.
The vast majority of what's going on is that people are churning out crap to get praise. As a matter of fact, most of Minitokyo is an absolute farce. There's no rhyme or reason as to why things have turned out the way they have, except for the simple fact that humans desire praise. It's one of the baser instincts.
In fact, many of those who actually deserved some of the praise they got let it go far too much to their heads, and they, too, start churning out crap. I'll make one concession there, namely that the vast numbers of people who said people have on their friendslist would probably be demanding more. Nevertheless, throwing trash under the bed to quiet the monsters is no way to seriously deal with a problem. If fans get in your way, trample on them. Quite honestly, this is why I'm glad I'm obscure. I'm not getting nearly the attention I'd like, especially in the region of pure criticism, which is what I'd like if I could get it, but at least I don't have hordes of idiots breathing down my neck.
In short: the only one I ever churn crap out for is myself.
But you also have to take into consideration that people have different tastes. What may look weird/ugly to you might be nice for someone.
But I don't care about weird/ugly. I've made some of the weirdest dt designs on this site. I care about artistic value, I care about aesthetic value, and I care about technical skill. I HATE eye candy wallpapers where what was obviously most difficult was the extraction of the original scan. I don't care how aesthetically pleasing they are, they're crap if they don't at least utilize some creativity in pure technical skill. And virtually nothing popular on MT utilizes the both of them, let alone having anything in the way of artistic ability.
*raises her hand*
No! Don't use the word ugly!
I don't think that there is anything deemed "ugly". Unless it was *really* ugly. That in my definition is:
*something slapped onto something (doesn't matter if it's scan slapped onto background or something like flowers slapped onto wall)
*something that had no effort (you can tell)
*something "omg I've seen that ten times before it's boring"
And there are probably more, but the thing is, I think there is no such thing as "ugly". You know what I'm trying to say.. .I'm not doing a good job saying it, but just because there are "uglier" walls aka the more "not popular" aka "the more original walls" it doesn't mean they are poorly structured, bad or lacking in effort.
I once spent hours and hours on something.
Sure, it wasn't good looking, but it was something different and I thought that people would appreciate it for its originality and quirkiness. In the end I received a comment (judge's comment) that it was ugly -.-'
That's not fair.
The bottom line is though, that there are some works which are severly overlooked and those with more "pleasant" looking things that peopel are used to like trees, moons, water, and sparkles are getting there (and clouds... and the lens flare...)
I'm not proud of my top 2 submissions. I have always liked my third one to be the top submission, and there are many others in my gallery including my latest w.a.r submission I would have liked to see get around somewhere.
And I know they are not visually appealing. But I think my wallpapers and I plan them.
I don't look at my psd, tilt my head and go "oh, I think a moon would look nice there"... I put it there for a *reason*. More than often people don't go beyond thinking a setting or the colours for their wallpapers and head straight into the obvious.
And I have *never* put more than one moon in my wallpapers. We don't live on Saturn or Jupiter last time I checked, so why should there be more than one?
And those wallpapers that are extremely bright just don't work.
When I wall I wall for my desktop. I set it at 30% brightness and if you have yours jacked up at 100% and complain that it's too bright, tough. Because I base it on where *my* icons are and what *my* preferences are.
So no more ugly... !
*munches on a cookie*
I've gotten 13 favorites on all my submissions, period. There's a major difference between "ugly,"
"crap," and "unappreciated." Ugliness is simply a matter of aesthetics. Toilet paper, or plain old crud, is what you were describing. Unappreciatedness is the simple fact that the wallpaper hasn't gotten any real attention whatsoever. One of my personal favorite wallpapers that I've created was submitted 17 weeks and 2 days ago. It's received a grand total of 63 views and 32 downloads. Whether it is ugly or not, whether it is crap or not, this is underappreciation right here. Nobody knows, or ever knew, that it existed. Namely because I almost never put anybody on my friendslist, but that's for reasons that I've already given.
A dt design can be ugly (aesthetically displeasing) and still be good (artistically/technically pleasing). Especially if said ugliness was purposeful. I know what you mean, Misa, but it's hardly fair to limit a person's vocabulary simply because the vast majority of people wouldn't know what to do with it if it came up and bit them in the ass.
so everybody not like load wall or load but not use them. i use a program to automatically change walls so all them will have a time display in desktop. when they so many i burn to disk to keep. what wrong with that?!
if you not like them don't load, if you not like make walls don't post. if post one it must look good so you will have a lost of reply, if you don't want them, don't post . if you just want have some friend here just pm to them, you'll comfortable. be cause everyone saw a look good wall or scan you will have a lost of reply - horrible horrible comments - like you think.
so don't want them - reading horrible horrible comments as you think - don't post wall or scan anymore.