Immortality is the state acheived after ressurection. And no, it can't mean
death because you aren't living so you violate the first condition of
"living forever".
immortaliy is great, but not dying at all can sometimes make a person suffer.
they will see their mother, father, children, wife/husband, and grandchildren
die while they stay alive suffering and grieving on their death. immortality is
not that good. nothing is perfect in life and destiny will choose when you die
Quote by kilcunImmortality is the state
acheived after ressurection. And no, it can't mean death because you aren't
living so you violate the first condition of "living
forever".
like i said, Immortality doesn't have to mean 'living forever'. Immortality is
just a state that won't change forever, so it can mean death. there's nothing
about ressurection, not in anywhere except the bible anyway.. but you can see it
your way too.
mortal
# Liable or subject to death.
# Of or relating to humankind; human: the
mortality
# The quality or condition of being mortal.
immortal
# Not subject to death
immortality
# The quality or condition of being immortal.
# Endless life or existence.
immortality really can't coincide with death by definition. however, death
really is something nobody really knows anything about. so i honestly can't make
a judgement as i do not know what death is.
Well let's look at immortality. im-
"not" and mortalis
"subject to death,"
So to be immortal you cannot be dead.
Quote by sadbirdimmortaliy is great, but
not dying at all can sometimes make a person suffer. they will see their mother,
father, children, wife/husband, and grandchildren die while they stay alive
suffering and grieving on their death. immortality is not that good. nothing is
perfect in life and destiny will choose when you
die
I think that time can heal all wounds. Since you live forever you would be
healed of all things. Besides you can still see your mother, father, children,
wife/husband, and grandchildren die and not be immortal. Many people regularly
have that happen to them.
I think immortality is great. If you don't want it then don't take it.
Quote by rsocgThe general idea of
Immortality is a person living forever, but can't Immortality mean death
instead?
Death is timeless and unending.
If by 'death' you mean the immortal existence of the soul/spirit, yes. Otherwise
i.e. in relation to physical life - no. The general definition is already living
without dying or existing forever or for an indeterminate period of time.
Immortality is "living forever", like everyone else has said.
Immortality is a legend created by the greedy and a curse created by the
regretful.
Personally, I think ilt would be terrible to be immortal. You would come to love
someone, and they would grow old and die, while you would stay the same. You
could be the only survivor of a war in which all your friends and family were
killed. You could raise children, and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren,
and all of them would die, and you would never be able to do anything.
Change is part of life. If you are immortal, you would be stuck in the flow of
time, unable to control your fate. Life is a wonderful, wonderful thing, but
after a while, I'm sure it would become tiring. Imagine, you see someone you
loved die for the two thousandth (literally) time. Nothing can heal that. Time
may heal all wounds, but those wounds are brought on by time, as well.
Doesn't Immortality mean not mortal? After death, the person is not mortal
anymore, hence attaining Immortality. Also, death grants eternal time, which is
also what distinguishes Immortality, since mortals are restricted by finite
time.
Quote by rsocgThe general idea of
Immortality is a person living forever, but can't Immortality mean death
instead?
Death is timeless and unending.
If that's the case, then Immortality isn't so bad after
all.
Well, etymologically speaking, the term, by definition negates death. From Latin
"in-mortalis". Mortalis in Latin means life (not mortus - which means
death), or a state of living. I.e. being alive. With the "in" prefix,
it implies being "into" life, so deep that it can't end. As if you are
being in the essence of life. Never ending. Therefore, you can't die.
Immortality was originally difined as a being frozen in the same state for
eternity. this wan very well just be death in itself... think about that one,
prove me wrong, anyone, i just spewed that out my butt...
Well defining immortality seems to be the theme Onlydarkness.
To rsocg: I didn't mean to offend you when I said this thread was pointless. I
just wanted to note at the end of my post that I didn't see a point to this
thread since I thought you wanted a definition of immortality,
basically.
You're point on how you're not liable or subject to death after you die makes
some sense, but if you're immortal you wouldn't have died in the first place.
And immortality does not apply to beings that are non-existant (dead), so
therefore you're not immortal if you die.
I see what you mean also when you said that when you're dying that is the
process of becoming dead, I know that. I used a bad example. Let's use a good
one then, you've just been stabbed 20 minutes ago. You have died. Not
"timeless and unending"... You've basically just lost all conciousness
and you will remain that way unless someone is able to revive the parts of
you're body that had been damaged. If not you will remain dead.
Don't worry, I wasn't offended in anyway.
If no one revives you after you die, you remain in that state unless someone
does. That is to say that unless someone can bring the dead back to life, then
that guy will remain dead forever. Since no one has that power to bring back the
dead, isn't death a state that is eternal?
Quote: if you're immortal you
wouldn't have died in the first place. And immortality does not apply to beings
that are non-existant (dead), so therefore you're not immortal if you
die.
If my concept of immortality was used, it would only been achieved after one
dies, so you would have to die in the first place.
Actually, I wanted to know why people have this idea when they think of
immortality, but I didn't know how to pharse it properly when I started this
thread. Sorry.^_^'
Well, being eternal and being immortal are two different things. We will be able
to "bring people back from the dead" eventually, maybe even in the
near future (only those who haven't "been dead" for more then a few
days at the maximum to my knowledge though).
Now for your "real question" ("I wanted to know why people have
this idea when they think of immortality"). This is obviously because the
English language has defined immortality as not-being-dead for eternity.
Quote by alexjohnc3Well, being eternal
and being immortal are two different things. We will be able to "bring
people back from the dead" eventually, maybe even in the near future (only
those who haven't "been dead" for more then a few days at the maximum
to my knowledge though).
Now for your "real question" ("I wanted to know why people have
this idea when they think of immortality"). This is obviously because the
English language has defined immortality as not-being-dead for
eternity.
How can you bring the dead back? Even if you clone them, they may be different
from the original being.
The defination of immortality has different definitions. Not being dead is just
one of them. There are others like afterlife and so on. Its like defining what
is good and what is bad, whether something is moral or immoral. There's no clear
definition.
Quote by allwords.com
1. Living forever and never dying.
2. Lasting forever; perpetual.
3. To be remembered forever.
From the dictionary, immortality can be defined by either of these. What I want
to know is why when most people think of the term immortality, only the 1st
definition comes to mind.
I'm taking the meaning from the 2nd definition, which can mean death.
Well now you're going to have to define death, and cloning is basically copying
one's DNA and making a person from it. It has nothing to do with copying a
person 100%. As long as the brain hasn't been too largely effected it is
possible to "bring them back from the dead."
The general idea of Immortality is a person living forever, but can't Immortality mean death instead?
Death is timeless and unending.
If that's the case, then Immortality isn't so bad after all.
lol, that is true... but being immortal that way is kinda lame... u cant do anything >.>
Immortality is the state acheived after ressurection. And no, it can't mean death because you aren't living so you violate the first condition of "living forever".
immortaliy is great, but not dying at all can sometimes make a person suffer. they will see their mother, father, children, wife/husband, and grandchildren die while they stay alive suffering and grieving on their death. immortality is not that good. nothing is perfect in life and destiny will choose when you die
I see immortality as the happening that your conciousness lives on forever, regardless in what state/body.
like i said, Immortality doesn't have to mean 'living forever'. Immortality is just a state that won't change forever, so it can mean death. there's nothing about ressurection, not in anywhere except the bible anyway.. but you can see it your way too.
dead or alive.. forever still is a pretty long periode of time
true but I'm fine with either one but whether it's forever or not I still find it nice
mortal
# Liable or subject to death.
# Of or relating to humankind; human: the
mortality
# The quality or condition of being mortal.
immortal
# Not subject to death
immortality
# The quality or condition of being immortal.
# Endless life or existence.
immortality really can't coincide with death by definition. however, death really is something nobody really knows anything about. so i honestly can't make a judgement as i do not know what death is.
Well let's look at immortality. im- "not" and mortalis "subject to death,"
So to be immortal you cannot be dead.
I think that time can heal all wounds. Since you live forever you would be healed of all things. Besides you can still see your mother, father, children, wife/husband, and grandchildren die and not be immortal. Many people regularly have that happen to them.
I think immortality is great. If you don't want it then don't take it.
If by 'death' you mean the immortal existence of the soul/spirit, yes. Otherwise i.e. in relation to physical life - no. The general definition is already living without dying or existing forever or for an indeterminate period of time.
Immortality is "living forever", like everyone else has said. Immortality is a legend created by the greedy and a curse created by the regretful.
Personally, I think ilt would be terrible to be immortal. You would come to love someone, and they would grow old and die, while you would stay the same. You could be the only survivor of a war in which all your friends and family were killed. You could raise children, and grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, and all of them would die, and you would never be able to do anything.
Change is part of life. If you are immortal, you would be stuck in the flow of time, unable to control your fate. Life is a wonderful, wonderful thing, but after a while, I'm sure it would become tiring. Imagine, you see someone you loved die for the two thousandth (literally) time. Nothing can heal that. Time may heal all wounds, but those wounds are brought on by time, as well.
Doesn't Immortality mean not mortal? After death, the person is not mortal anymore, hence attaining Immortality. Also, death grants eternal time, which is also what distinguishes Immortality, since mortals are restricted by finite time.
Well, etymologically speaking, the term, by definition negates death. From Latin "in-mortalis". Mortalis in Latin means life (not mortus - which means death), or a state of living. I.e. being alive. With the "in" prefix, it implies being "into" life, so deep that it can't end. As if you are being in the essence of life. Never ending. Therefore, you can't die.
Immortality was originally difined as a being frozen in the same state for eternity. this wan very well just be death in itself... think about that one, prove me wrong, anyone, i just spewed that out my butt...
That is a good point, but being alive at the age of 21 forever would be awesome.
Errm... no. Death usually only takes a few minutes at the most to my knowledge. It depends how you're dying (e.g. stab wound).
Immortal is the antonym of mortal and a mortal is one who is:
Therefore an immortal is a being that is not liable or subject to death. Immortal:
This is a bit pointless...
that's the process of dying, from state of living to state of death. Death is the state attained after this, which is timeless and unending.
When you're dead, you are not 'Liable or subject to death' right?
then why did you reply?
What was the main theme of this thread? Are we trying to define immortality or give an opinion on whether its a good or bad thing?
Well defining immortality seems to be the theme Onlydarkness.
To rsocg: I didn't mean to offend you when I said this thread was pointless. I just wanted to note at the end of my post that I didn't see a point to this thread since I thought you wanted a definition of immortality, basically.
You're point on how you're not liable or subject to death after you die makes some sense, but if you're immortal you wouldn't have died in the first place. And immortality does not apply to beings that are non-existant (dead), so therefore you're not immortal if you die.
I see what you mean also when you said that when you're dying that is the process of becoming dead, I know that. I used a bad example. Let's use a good one then, you've just been stabbed 20 minutes ago. You have died. Not "timeless and unending"... You've basically just lost all conciousness and you will remain that way unless someone is able to revive the parts of you're body that had been damaged. If not you will remain dead.
To alexjohnc3:
Don't worry, I wasn't offended in anyway.
If no one revives you after you die, you remain in that state unless someone does. That is to say that unless someone can bring the dead back to life, then that guy will remain dead forever. Since no one has that power to bring back the dead, isn't death a state that is eternal?
If my concept of immortality was used, it would only been achieved after one dies, so you would have to die in the first place.
Actually, I wanted to know why people have this idea when they think of immortality, but I didn't know how to pharse it properly when I started this thread. Sorry.^_^'
Well, being eternal and being immortal are two different things. We will be able to "bring people back from the dead" eventually, maybe even in the near future (only those who haven't "been dead" for more then a few days at the maximum to my knowledge though).
Now for your "real question" ("I wanted to know why people have this idea when they think of immortality"). This is obviously because the English language has defined immortality as not-being-dead for eternity.
How can you bring the dead back? Even if you clone them, they may be different from the original being.
The defination of immortality has different definitions. Not being dead is just one of them. There are others like afterlife and so on. Its like defining what is good and what is bad, whether something is moral or immoral. There's no clear definition.
From the dictionary, immortality can be defined by either of these. What I want to know is why when most people think of the term immortality, only the 1st definition comes to mind.
I'm taking the meaning from the 2nd definition, which can mean death.
Well now you're going to have to define death, and cloning is basically copying one's DNA and making a person from it. It has nothing to do with copying a person 100%. As long as the brain hasn't been too largely effected it is possible to "bring them back from the dead."