I dont know if this idea has been brought up before, but as hard as I tried to
search, I didnt find it.
Uploading images cost credits. I read that, because of this, frequent uploaders
were driven away. I understand that this had to be done to avoid gallery spam,
and especially to avoid people uploading whatever they can to increase their
credits.
The idea that uploading costs credits is fine. Now, what if the comments given
to the image give credits to the uploader? Be it constructive criticism, or
saying the wallpaper or scan is beautiful, the uploader recieves some
credits.
IMHO, this will increase the quality of the gallery, as uploaders will try to
submit higher quality images in order to recieve more comments, and thus more
credits.
Well, its just an idea I thought when I heard that some uploaders stopped
uploading. I love Minitokyo and I hope it will never go down!
since MT has strict policy in that they will not reveal the exact methods of how
credits are given or made, i am sure this idea is pretty much rendered
obsolete.
however, it is true to what you say, but i assume that such plans has already
been considered and otherwise implemented, how is it that you know you are
receiving credits from a submission that you had? or receiving it because you
contribution in forum discussions?
well, since that cannot be revealed and you probably cannot distinguish the
difference, then i suppose it is impossible to be done. Plus, the possibility is
that if that is the case, then high quality scans would have an unfairness
value, why?
Imagine if a scan can receive 400 favs, and then the submitter receives 400
creds (assuming that is how it works), then where is the value of the those who
comment, i mean, that would mean you are driving away the crowd that comments on
the works. (seemingly so assuming they are not receiving any credits for
commenting instead it is the scan submitter who gets them)
merged: 11-26-2005 ~ 03:55am
plus, i am sure, if that is the case, it would encourage more gallery spam as it
is now.
Thanks to system, now, there are far more dup scans than ever by new members who
do not check galleries and forum guidelines, so yeah, this plan may or may not
work, i cannot tell, but i assume it will encourage gallery spamming thanks to
the potential rewards.
One of the mods has already answered this question in another thread. That
question was in regards to the new credit system and how the cost of downloading
were unfair. The mods stated that if you submitted to the art gallery then the
credits you used to submit the wall would be returned through comments you
recieve over time on that piece of art.
Quote: Imagine if a scan can
receive 400 favs, and then the submitter receives 400 creds (assuming that is
how it works), then where is the value of the those who comment, i mean, that
would mean you are driving away the crowd that comments on the works. (seemingly
so assuming they are not receiving any credits for commenting instead it is the
scan submitter who gets them)
Scans sections should not have the Fav feature. It's totally meaningless. Same
goes with the posts which I strongly believe is unnecessary. If they want to
comment about how beautiful the scan is, they should e-mail the artist instead
or at the very least, the publishing company. If the scan is just taken from
some other site like 4chan, then the submitter is just reaping blind benefits.
The submitter should only get credits from submitting the scan and not from
other people favving or commenting the scan.
Want to remember the link for future downloading? Just copy and paste the link
onto Microsoft Word or Notepad.
Quote by EternalParadoxThe problem
I see is the some members want everything in the gallery without doing the
requisite contributions back. They scorn the credits system because it limits
their ability to take everything in the gallery and not give anything back in
return.
There is a reason why MT is not called a gallery, but a community. The point of
a community is reciprocal responsibility and contributions. For every service
and benefit rendered to the member by the community, the member must provide
something back to the community. In MT's case, that includes intelligent forum
discussions, constructive comments and criticism for artworks, helping new
members etc. If you do all these things, and do them consistently, then there
would never be a problem with lack of credits and you will, over time, be able
to get every single image in the database should you so desire.
However, I find that most who do complain about the "unfairness" of
the credits system have one thing in common. They want limitless downloads and
zero reciprocal contribution back to the community. Is it really that hard to
give a contructive comment on everything you download? For each image you
download, if you write a nice, helpful reply back, the credits system will
balance out and you will continue to be able to download. Only when you download
and then download some more and then do nothing else does the "oh I have no
more credits and thus the system is not fair" problem arise.
As for the complaint that "it'll take forever," well, nothing else in
life comes at the blink of the eye, so why should this be an exception? You had
to go through 18 years of education to get out of college to be able to
competently hold a good-paying job and live a decent life. You need to spend X
number of hours to learn to drive and pass the test before you can get your
license. You need to even microwave popcorn for 30 seconds before you can eat it
out of the bag. Why should the community provide everything to you immediately
before you have shown the consistency of wanting to contribute back? That was
the problem with the level system. Leechers post spam to get to level 10, then
they're never heard from again. The credits system corrects that
abuse.
Straight from the mouth of our newest mod. It is not the same that I said but
what I said falls generally unde rthe same lines as what EternalParadox has
stated
Yes, I'm sure that the admins have already considered the idea and have thought
about it in greater detail. My idea is much easier said than done, as the admins
have to come up with a fair, numerical system to implement it.
Spystreak, I believe EternalParadox's thread deals more with the leecher problem
than the submitter one. With my suggestion, I believe uploaders will feel
motivated to submit higher quality images in order to recieve more feedback,
and, at the same time, improve the quality of the gallery itself.
EternalParadox also mentioned that Minitokyo is not a gallery, but a community.
Still, I'm sure, increasing the quality of the gallery is important to the
admins as well. For this reason they implemented the credits system to avoid
gallery spam.
Quote by kiopi
Scans sections should not have the Fav feature. It's totally meaningless. Same
goes with the posts which I strongly believe is unnecessary. If they want to
comment about how beautiful the scan is, they should e-mail the artist instead
or at the very least, the publishing company. If the scan is just taken from
some other site like 4chan, then the submitter is just reaping blind benefits.
The submitter should only get credits from submitting the scan and not from
other people favving or commenting the scan....
I think you are placing way too much value on credits. It won't kill you to give
credits to someone who submits a scan that they found on another site. For many
members of MT, they might never see that scan simply because they don't go to
many different sites. In that case, the person who posts scans found elsewhere
is doing something for the MT community that should be rewarded. Keep in mind we
are talking about a fake form of currency and not real cash. It's no travesty of
justice to spread the fake wealth.
My comments about scans are usually about the quality of the scan and not the
beauty. If someone submits a crystal clear, large resolution scan and they
actually took the time to clean it, fix any flaws, maybe even redraw some of its
elements then the right thing to do is to say thank you. On MT, 'thank you'
takes the form of commentary and/or adding to favorites list. If you don't think
you should say thank you to the members who submit scans that they didn't scan
themselves then feel free not to do so. But is that way of thinking really in
the community spirit? Isn't building a better community one of the goals of the
credit system?
Quote by EcchanI dont know if this idea
has been brought up before, but as hard as I tried to search, I didnt find
it.
Uploading images cost credits. I read that, because of this, frequent uploaders
were driven away. I understand that this had to be done to avoid gallery spam,
and especially to avoid people uploading whatever they can to increase their
credits.
The idea that uploading costs credits is fine. Now, what if the comments given
to the image give credits to the uploader? Be it constructive criticism, or
saying the wallpaper or scan is beautiful, the uploader recieves some
credits.
IMHO, this will increase the quality of the gallery, as uploaders will try to
submit higher quality images in order to recieve more comments, and thus more
credits.
Well, its just an idea I thought when I heard that some uploaders stopped
uploading. I love Minitokyo and I hope it will never go down!
Peace.
I believe this is already in effect, as I watch my credits increase as the
number of comments and favorites increase on the scans I uploaded. I also do
believe this is helping weed out the lesser quality images that might have
otherwise spammed our galleries here. I haven't had a single problem since the
credits system was initiated, I have never ran out of credits, I believe it's
because I'm trying to become more active in the community. Now as some other
members have stated, I search other image boards for pictures that are not on
minitokyo, I always thought one function of this site is to supply art for those
people wanting to make wallpapers, and thats what I am trying to do, so if
anyone ever has any questions about using my scans in a wallpaper feel free to
use it, thats what it's here for.
Quote by kiopi
Scans sections should not have the Fav feature. It's totally meaningless. Same
goes with the posts which I strongly believe is unnecessary. If they want to
comment about how beautiful the scan is, they should e-mail the artist instead
or at the very least, the publishing company. If the scan is just taken from
some other site like 4chan, then the submitter is just reaping blind benefits.
The submitter should only get credits from submitting the scan and not from
other people favving or commenting the scan....
I think you are placing way too much value on credits. It won't kill you to give
credits to someone who submits a scan that they found on another site. For many
members of MT, they might never see that scan simply because they don't go to
many different sites. In that case, the person who posts scans found elsewhere
is doing something for the MT community that should be rewarded. Keep in mind we
are talking about a fake form of currency and not real cash. It's no travesty of
justice to spread the fake wealth.
My comments about scans are usually about the quality of the scan and not the
beauty. If someone submits a crystal clear, large resolution scan and they
actually took the time to clean it, fix any flaws, maybe even redraw some of its
elements then the right thing to do is to say thank you. On MT, 'thank you'
takes the form of commentary and/or adding to favorites list. If you don't think
you should say thank you to the members who submit scans that they didn't scan
themselves then feel free not to do so. But is that way of thinking really in
the community spirit? Isn't building a better community one of the goals of the
credit system?
Please read my post over again. I never said not giving any credits for scans.
They will still get credits for submitting scans but at the very least credits
should not be derived from Favs and posts.
Please read my post over again. I never said not giving any credits for scans.
They will still get credits for submitting scans but at the very least credits
should not be derived from Favs and posts.
As I said, you put way too much value on what is essentially a form of
make-believe currency. It costs you nothing to give those credits away and it is
a way of rewarding the poster based on value instead of a flat rate of #credits
per scan. Theoretically, the better the scan the more favorites the person will
receive. If you got, lets say, ten credits per scan at the time of
submission/acceptance there is no incentive to post anything better than the
minimum requirements. At least with the way it is set up now there is a bit of
an incentive to go beyond the minimum required.
Let me just say one more time that it is only fake currency and it costs you
nothing. Fake currency that is only redeemable at this site. A site that costs
nothing to join and only asks of it's members that they participate in the
community. I realize you said they should get credits for submitting the scan
but I just don't get why you would bother being so stingy with credits for
people that actually interact with the other members of the community.
I dont know if this idea has been brought up before, but as hard as I tried to search, I didnt find it.
Uploading images cost credits. I read that, because of this, frequent uploaders were driven away. I understand that this had to be done to avoid gallery spam, and especially to avoid people uploading whatever they can to increase their credits.
The idea that uploading costs credits is fine. Now, what if the comments given to the image give credits to the uploader? Be it constructive criticism, or saying the wallpaper or scan is beautiful, the uploader recieves some credits.
IMHO, this will increase the quality of the gallery, as uploaders will try to submit higher quality images in order to recieve more comments, and thus more credits.
Well, its just an idea I thought when I heard that some uploaders stopped uploading. I love Minitokyo and I hope it will never go down!
Peace.
since MT has strict policy in that they will not reveal the exact methods of how credits are given or made, i am sure this idea is pretty much rendered obsolete.
however, it is true to what you say, but i assume that such plans has already been considered and otherwise implemented, how is it that you know you are receiving credits from a submission that you had? or receiving it because you contribution in forum discussions?
well, since that cannot be revealed and you probably cannot distinguish the difference, then i suppose it is impossible to be done. Plus, the possibility is that if that is the case, then high quality scans would have an unfairness value, why?
Imagine if a scan can receive 400 favs, and then the submitter receives 400 creds (assuming that is how it works), then where is the value of the those who comment, i mean, that would mean you are driving away the crowd that comments on the works. (seemingly so assuming they are not receiving any credits for commenting instead it is the scan submitter who gets them)
merged: 11-26-2005 ~ 03:55am
plus, i am sure, if that is the case, it would encourage more gallery spam as it is now.
Thanks to system, now, there are far more dup scans than ever by new members who do not check galleries and forum guidelines, so yeah, this plan may or may not work, i cannot tell, but i assume it will encourage gallery spamming thanks to the potential rewards.
One of the mods has already answered this question in another thread. That question was in regards to the new credit system and how the cost of downloading were unfair. The mods stated that if you submitted to the art gallery then the credits you used to submit the wall would be returned through comments you recieve over time on that piece of art.
i see, perhaps you can post the thread link here for the thread starter since he/she had proposed the question and suggestion.
Scans sections should not have the Fav feature. It's totally meaningless. Same goes with the posts which I strongly believe is unnecessary. If they want to comment about how beautiful the scan is, they should e-mail the artist instead or at the very least, the publishing company. If the scan is just taken from some other site like 4chan, then the submitter is just reaping blind benefits. The submitter should only get credits from submitting the scan and not from other people favving or commenting the scan.
Want to remember the link for future downloading? Just copy and paste the link onto Microsoft Word or Notepad.
Straight from the mouth of our newest mod. It is not the same that I said but what I said falls generally unde rthe same lines as what EternalParadox has stated
Yes, I'm sure that the admins have already considered the idea and have thought about it in greater detail. My idea is much easier said than done, as the admins have to come up with a fair, numerical system to implement it.
Spystreak, I believe EternalParadox's thread deals more with the leecher problem than the submitter one. With my suggestion, I believe uploaders will feel motivated to submit higher quality images in order to recieve more feedback, and, at the same time, improve the quality of the gallery itself.
EternalParadox also mentioned that Minitokyo is not a gallery, but a community. Still, I'm sure, increasing the quality of the gallery is important to the admins as well. For this reason they implemented the credits system to avoid gallery spam.
Well, in the end, the admins will decide. ;D
I think you are placing way too much value on credits. It won't kill you to give credits to someone who submits a scan that they found on another site. For many members of MT, they might never see that scan simply because they don't go to many different sites. In that case, the person who posts scans found elsewhere is doing something for the MT community that should be rewarded. Keep in mind we are talking about a fake form of currency and not real cash. It's no travesty of justice to spread the fake wealth.
My comments about scans are usually about the quality of the scan and not the beauty. If someone submits a crystal clear, large resolution scan and they actually took the time to clean it, fix any flaws, maybe even redraw some of its elements then the right thing to do is to say thank you. On MT, 'thank you' takes the form of commentary and/or adding to favorites list. If you don't think you should say thank you to the members who submit scans that they didn't scan themselves then feel free not to do so. But is that way of thinking really in the community spirit? Isn't building a better community one of the goals of the credit system?
I believe this is already in effect, as I watch my credits increase as the number of comments and favorites increase on the scans I uploaded. I also do believe this is helping weed out the lesser quality images that might have otherwise spammed our galleries here. I haven't had a single problem since the credits system was initiated, I have never ran out of credits, I believe it's because I'm trying to become more active in the community. Now as some other members have stated, I search other image boards for pictures that are not on minitokyo, I always thought one function of this site is to supply art for those people wanting to make wallpapers, and thats what I am trying to do, so if anyone ever has any questions about using my scans in a wallpaper feel free to use it, thats what it's here for.
Please read my post over again. I never said not giving any credits for scans. They will still get credits for submitting scans but at the very least credits should not be derived from Favs and posts.
As I said, you put way too much value on what is essentially a form of make-believe currency. It costs you nothing to give those credits away and it is a way of rewarding the poster based on value instead of a flat rate of #credits per scan. Theoretically, the better the scan the more favorites the person will receive. If you got, lets say, ten credits per scan at the time of submission/acceptance there is no incentive to post anything better than the minimum requirements. At least with the way it is set up now there is a bit of an incentive to go beyond the minimum required.
Let me just say one more time that it is only fake currency and it costs you nothing. Fake currency that is only redeemable at this site. A site that costs nothing to join and only asks of it's members that they participate in the community. I realize you said they should get credits for submitting the scan but I just don't get why you would bother being so stingy with credits for people that actually interact with the other members of the community.