I am trying to verify a story I heard. Perhaps someone here can help me out on
this. The story goes something like this:
"Luciabel, the angel of light, was God's most favorite and most important
angel over all the angel. God put Luciabel in charge of the creation of the
material world. Luciabel created the universe. The worlds, the animals, even
man. And then God gave man the breath of life. He molded man into God's image,
and then gave man control over all of creation.
This made Luciabel jealous. In his anger and rage he hated all of mankind and
even hated God. He changed his name from Luciabel to Lucifer in defiance of God.
After doing these things, God cast Lucifer in to the fiery depths of hell to
live out forever into a bondage of pain and suffering. But before doing this,
Lucifer asked God to grant him one request, to let him take 'his' (Lucifer's)
children with him. God allowed him his request."
Hence brings us to today. You see I'm trying to find proof of some past
existence of this story. It's not in the bible. It might be in the book of
Enoch, although I haven't read it. It might be in the book of Nod, but I seemly
want to dis-credit it since it was written in the 1800's. If this story is true,
it would clarify to me this war we are having. Additional comments are welcome.
Thank you.
Addition:
I almost forgot. True, this story is not in the bible, yet there is a strong
clue in the bible which points to this story as having some truth. This is when
Jesus casts out demons(more than one) from two men. A good article was written
about it here. This is talked about within three Gospels: Matthew 8:28-34,
Mark 5:1-20,
and Luke
8:26-33. But what is of interest to me is Matthew 8:29,
"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus,
thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment
us before the time?".
Jesus, torment? Before the time?! What time? God, the angels, they all exist
outside our realm of time. Time has no meaning to them. Doesn't it? Besides, I
thought they all were in hell already. Unless...they are not. Unless they are
fighting, fighting for our souls like Christianity tells us. Molding us,
whispering into our ears to "move to the dark side", so-to-say.
There's a problem with this story, and that is that both Lucifer and (maybe)
Luciabel are Latin names. Lucifer merely means "bringer of light" as
in LUC - light, and FERE - to bring. Not sure about Luciabel though. Couldn't
find it on the Internet. The "-bel" extension sounds like the Greek
tranliteration of Ba'al - as in the Apocryphic book Bel and the Dragon (which,
mind you is completely wrong - Ba'al was a Syro-Palestinian god before the cult
of Yahveh was made a state religion - he was nowere near Babylon as the story
claims). Anyway, the "Lucia" sounds like a version of Latin LUC,
although I really don't know. A name that consists of both Greek/Hebrew and
Latin parts sounds unlikely. Sounds made up, but as I said, I don't
know.
Bottom line is that the characters aren't authentic. Or at least their names. In
the Bible there are no mention of Lucifer. Only Satan (in the New Testament,
which uses a Greek transliteration from the Hebrew word which means
"oposer"). Nor does Lucifer feature in Enoch since Enoch was
originally written in Aramaic in the 2nd Cent BC - translated it in my 3rd year
from a Greek translation.
The book of Nod you can ignore. As credible as Dante.
They also supply some links for online translations.
Basically Enoch claims that the "sons of God" (Ben'ey Elohim) lusted
after man's daughters and seduced them and taught them the crafts of culture and
civilisation. God was angered and exiled them from heaven. Ann Rice wrote a very
good story, Memnoch the Devil, based almost entirely on Enoch's book.
Good reading material, but to be taken as serious as the rest of the apocryphal
books.
Anyway there never were only one "devil" in the New Testament. The
word from which it is translated is "daimon" - which I must
emphatically stress, does NOT mean demon as we understand it today. Plato
refered to a man's daimon as a sub-conscience, Freud's alter-ego. In Hellenistic
times (after Alexander the Great) the term picked up the "guiding
spirit" meaning. Whenever Alexander the Great lost control of his anger,
the classic historiographers say, his daimon ravaged inside him. Later, it
became dualistic. You had a good daimon (agathodaimon) and a bad daimon
(kakodaimon). In later Christian writings only the bad daimon survived as the
cause for temptations and evil deeds.
You probably noticed by now that I don't belive any of these stuff. To me its
just fascinating reading material. The more versions of the same story you read,
the less credibality you have for any of the versions. I studied a bit in these
stuff, purely out of interest (alright, it may have started as religious
curiosity, but over time I lost the religious bit). But by all means, broaden
your horizens, read as much as you can.
I am trying to verify a story I heard. Perhaps someone here can help me out on this. The story goes something like this:
"Luciabel, the angel of light, was God's most favorite and most important angel over all the angel. God put Luciabel in charge of the creation of the material world. Luciabel created the universe. The worlds, the animals, even man. And then God gave man the breath of life. He molded man into God's image, and then gave man control over all of creation.
This made Luciabel jealous. In his anger and rage he hated all of mankind and even hated God. He changed his name from Luciabel to Lucifer in defiance of God. After doing these things, God cast Lucifer in to the fiery depths of hell to live out forever into a bondage of pain and suffering. But before doing this, Lucifer asked God to grant him one request, to let him take 'his' (Lucifer's) children with him. God allowed him his request."
Hence brings us to today. You see I'm trying to find proof of some past existence of this story. It's not in the bible. It might be in the book of Enoch, although I haven't read it. It might be in the book of Nod, but I seemly want to dis-credit it since it was written in the 1800's. If this story is true, it would clarify to me this war we are having. Additional comments are welcome. Thank you.
Addition:
I almost forgot. True, this story is not in the bible, yet there is a strong clue in the bible which points to this story as having some truth. This is when Jesus casts out demons(more than one) from two men. A good article was written about it here. This is talked about within three Gospels: Matthew 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20, and Luke 8:26-33. But what is of interest to me is Matthew 8:29, "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?".
Jesus, torment? Before the time?! What time? God, the angels, they all exist outside our realm of time. Time has no meaning to them. Doesn't it? Besides, I thought they all were in hell already. Unless...they are not. Unless they are fighting, fighting for our souls like Christianity tells us. Molding us, whispering into our ears to "move to the dark side", so-to-say.
There's a problem with this story, and that is that both Lucifer and (maybe) Luciabel are Latin names. Lucifer merely means "bringer of light" as in LUC - light, and FERE - to bring. Not sure about Luciabel though. Couldn't find it on the Internet. The "-bel" extension sounds like the Greek tranliteration of Ba'al - as in the Apocryphic book Bel and the Dragon (which, mind you is completely wrong - Ba'al was a Syro-Palestinian god before the cult of Yahveh was made a state religion - he was nowere near Babylon as the story claims). Anyway, the "Lucia" sounds like a version of Latin LUC, although I really don't know. A name that consists of both Greek/Hebrew and Latin parts sounds unlikely. Sounds made up, but as I said, I don't know.
Bottom line is that the characters aren't authentic. Or at least their names. In the Bible there are no mention of Lucifer. Only Satan (in the New Testament, which uses a Greek transliteration from the Hebrew word which means "oposer"). Nor does Lucifer feature in Enoch since Enoch was originally written in Aramaic in the 2nd Cent BC - translated it in my 3rd year from a Greek translation.
The book of Nod you can ignore. As credible as Dante.
Further info on Enoch: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Book+of+Enoch&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&linktext=Book%20of%20Enoch (sorry, still trying to figure the links out)
They also supply some links for online translations.
Basically Enoch claims that the "sons of God" (Ben'ey Elohim) lusted after man's daughters and seduced them and taught them the crafts of culture and civilisation. God was angered and exiled them from heaven. Ann Rice wrote a very good story, Memnoch the Devil, based almost entirely on Enoch's book.
Good reading material, but to be taken as serious as the rest of the apocryphal books.
Anyway there never were only one "devil" in the New Testament. The word from which it is translated is "daimon" - which I must emphatically stress, does NOT mean demon as we understand it today. Plato refered to a man's daimon as a sub-conscience, Freud's alter-ego. In Hellenistic times (after Alexander the Great) the term picked up the "guiding spirit" meaning. Whenever Alexander the Great lost control of his anger, the classic historiographers say, his daimon ravaged inside him. Later, it became dualistic. You had a good daimon (agathodaimon) and a bad daimon (kakodaimon). In later Christian writings only the bad daimon survived as the cause for temptations and evil deeds.
You probably noticed by now that I don't belive any of these stuff. To me its just fascinating reading material. The more versions of the same story you read, the less credibality you have for any of the versions. I studied a bit in these stuff, purely out of interest (alright, it may have started as religious curiosity, but over time I lost the religious bit). But by all means, broaden your horizens, read as much as you can.