God is seen in many lights by different religions around the world. My question
is mostly for the religious but any can answer. Why does the Bible depict God as
someone who condones slavery, murder, and rape as well as universal love and
justice? If you want I can cite many examples. (I am assuming that God is
supposed to be all-good.)
One could argue that God is testing Mankind. However, is there a limit to His
standardized tests? Is there a limit to how many Holocausts can happen before
God can no longer be seen as all-good? I do not understand the purpose of such
suffering.
Another possible explanation is that God rewards those who have suffered through
eventual entry into Heaven. However, what about the evil people who have
suffered greatly? Do they get to get into Heaven even though they are evil but
suffered? Maybe because they are evil they must be punished by suffering though
that seems a bit sadistic to me. Wouldn't simple refusal into Heaven be enough?
Why do some villians suffer where other villians do not even though neither
enter Heaven?
I guess this also a critique of the Bible itself. Is it Truth? Is it Lies? After
all the Bible is kinda the biography of God. Isn't it weird to have this
juxtaposition of love and murder in God?
god does not condone slavery, murder, and rape...
he gives us the free will to do wut we want
and some of us choose to do those things...
that doesnt mean that god condones those things
tests us?
have u ever observed a teacher-student relationship,
where the teacher says "this is bad, dun do it",
but the student has feelings of wanting to do it anyways?
the ultimate goal of the teacher is to teach the student right and wrong and how
to make the rite choices....
but in the end, not make the choices for them
the teacher suceeds when the student comes to his own terms and makes the rite
decision on his own
which is how to get into heaven...
u have to embrace and accept it and god
only those who reject it will not go to heaven
but again, thats a choice we make...
we decide whether we want to accept or reject god and if we truly want to go to
heaven
god does not make that decision...he shows us the path, he guides us...we have
to choose walk that path
suffering is a part of life
whether u let the suffering strengthen u or weaken u is a choice u have to
make
the bible truth or lies?
the old testament is fictional, if thats wut u mean
they are stories meant to teach
they are not literal
so yea, plz cite examples that made u think this way
Quote by ajbgod does not condone slavery,
murder, and rape...
he gives us the free will to do wut we want
and some of us choose to do those things...
that doesnt mean that god condones those things
I shall use the King James version of the Bible because that is the one I own. I
also will assume that the Bible is indeed either God's word or divinely
inspired.
Leviticus 25:44-46
"44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of
the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and
bondmaids."
Here it clearly states that slaves should be made of unbelievers.
"45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of
them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in
your land: and they shall be your possession."
Here it clearly states that children and families of travelers should be
bought.
"46And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to
inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over
your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with
rigour."
It says here that the slaves are slaves forever.
Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies
under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he remains
alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Here it clearly states that should a slave be beaten and killed no punishment
will be recieved if the slave lives for 1-2 days.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold
on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty
shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he
may not put her away all his days.
Here it states that should a man rape a woman who is not married all he has to
do is pay her father and marry the girl. What kind of person would force a rape
victim to marry her rapist?
Zechariah 14:1-2
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the
midst of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall
be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city
shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut
off from the city.
Here it says God will even HELP you ravish the women and enslave the
people.
Quote by ajbtests us?
have u ever observed a teacher-student relationship,
where the teacher says "this is bad, dun do it",
but the student has feelings of wanting to do it
anyways?
Exactly my point. God in his infinite power should realize beforehand all the
bad seeds. For does He not know all? If He knows all that will happen
berforehand he should realize what the evil people will do before they are even
born. Allowing them to be born even though He knows what will happen is sheer
madness.
Quote by ajbthe ultimate goal of the teacher
is to teach the student right and wrong and how to make the rite choices....
but in the end, not make the choices for them
the teacher suceeds when the student comes to his own terms and makes the rite
decision on his own
What about those who suffer from students who DON'T learn?
Quote by ajbwhich is how to get into
heaven...
u have to embrace and accept it and god
only those who reject it will not go to heaven
but again, thats a choice we make...
we decide whether we want to accept or reject god and if we truly want to go to
heaven
god does not make that decision...he shows us the path, he guides us...we have
to choose walk that path
How does God show us? Mostly through the Bible I believe. But the Bible has so
many bad things in it. How can we know what does He want us to do? Are you
suggesting I keep slaves because it says that God is ok with it?
Quote by ajbsuffering is a part of life
whether u let the suffering strengthen u or weaken u is a choice u have to
make
the bible truth or lies?
the old testament is fictional, if thats wut u mean
they are stories meant to teach
they are not literal
I know suffering is a part of life. What I want to know more on is why does God
let people suffer. I want to understand more concerning His nature and position
on it. I also do not really understand the difference between Old and New
Testament. I just read the King James version. If there is a fundamental
difference between New and Old why is there one? Isn't it the same God in either
of them? If not how do we know that the New Testament is the true word of God?
Who can say that the Old Testament is the truth?
If the Old Testament can be false who can say that the New Testament is not
false too? And what is the lesson of the Old Testament? To rape? To pillage? To
murder? I do not understand this dichotomy in the Bible.
During this time I have looked up and found out what the New Testament was.
However it does not seem any better than the Old Testament.
Revelation 2:9
"9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and
I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the
synagogue of Satan."
Here it says that Jews are devil worshippers. I find this to be an insult to the
Jewish most of which are good people.
Matthew 11:20-24
20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were
done, because they repented not:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works,
which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have
repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day
of judgment, than for you.
23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to
hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in
Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in
the day of judgment, than for thee.
Here Jesus condemns entire cities to death because they would not accept his
teachings.
Matthew 13:41-42
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his
kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
Here Jesus sends angels to cast anyone who offends into Hell. What happened to
forgiveness?
There is much intolerance in the New Testament. I could cite example but it
appears that I have grown long in my post. I will end here.
What god does or dosn not condone was always in the interpretation of anyone in
the power of leading a community. since this is an easy way to controll dull
masses of people and insure ones own power to rule in ones liking.
So if i was a religious leader i could say god doesn't like that guy, so kill
him... and you would follow. Or i could stand against an empire that enforces
slavery (uhm... like the romans) and say god prohibits slavery so set them
free.
The new testament was written long after the death of jesus. Metthew is believed
to have written the first books, but even they are dated about 40-60
a.D.
The Person of Metthew (or Levi) isn't what I would call a reliable source on all
events, since he only joined in the last days.
The forgiveness part and the final judgement suit my former post in here...
psread fear to gain power... especially when you're being hunted by the romans
If the new testament was written long after the death of jesus I'm just
wondering how does people know the accurateness of that is?...because the more I
think about it the more I believe that perhaps during the middle ages
alterations could have been made by the priests (only they could read along with
royalty from memory) or whatever to their benefit...that and also as you said it
was written long after jesus's death. Would the original stories of moses and
all that still be accurately portrayed within those pages?..just curious
So if the Bible does not truly contain Jesus's teachings what do Christians
really believe in? As the previous posts have stated the Bible was written after
Jesus's death by other people. For all we know they could have gotten it wrong
as I'm pretty sure they did. This is very weird. Perhaps some religious person
can ansewr these questions for me.
First of all, you can't pick out random verses, and then go by that. You must
quote verses before hand also.
Leviticus 25:35-46
35 And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou
shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner (or traveler);
that he may live with thee.
(If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among
you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue
to live among you.)
36 Take thou no usury (or lending money and charging interest) of him, or
increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
(Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God so that your
countryman may continue to live among you.)
37 Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals
(means; food) for increase.
(You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at profit.)
38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to
give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.
(I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of
Canaan and to be your God.)
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto
thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant (or slave; person
obligated to service without wages):
(If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do
not make him work as a slave)
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and
shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee (A year of rest to be observed by the
Israelites every 50th year, during which slaves were to be set free, alienated
property restored to the former owners, and the lands left untilled.):
(He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is
to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.)
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and
hall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers he
return.
(The he and his children are to be released, and he will go back to his own clan
and to be property of his forefathers)
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt:
they shall not be sold as bondmen.
(Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must
not be sold as slaves.)
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour (harshness or cruelty in
punishments); but shalt fear thy God,
(Do not rule over him ruthlessly, but fear you God.)
44 Both thy bondmen, and bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the
heathen (A person who does NOT acknowledge your God) that are round about you;
of them shall you buy bondmen and bondmaids.
(Your male and female slaves are to come from the evil nations around you; from
them you may by slaves.)
Quote by CyberDragoon Leviticus
25:44-46
"44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of
the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and
bondmaids."
Here it clearly states that slaves should be made of unbelievers.
Yes, if you are to get a slave, that you shall treat, and get, as explained in
the verses above, so that you may show them love and caring.
Continuing on,
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn (or temporarily
stay) among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you,
which they begat (or produce) in your land: and they shall be your
possession.
(You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members
of their class born in your country, and they will become your
property.)
Quote by CyberDragoon
"45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of
them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in
your land: and they shall be your possession."
Here it clearly states that children and families of travelers should be bought.
Yes, still going by what was said in the before hand verses. Even going before
where I started quoting.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to
inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over
your brethern the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with
rigour.
(You can will them to you children as inherited property and can make them
slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites
ruthlessly.)
Quote by CyberDragoon "46And ye
shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them
for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren
the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
It says here that the slaves are slaves forever.
Yes, it does. But it never says that they owner is MAKING them be a slave, is
it? The verses before these verses MEAN something to these verses. It all has to
be read together and fit together. The person becoming a slave is of their own
acount. They are not being MADE to do a damn thing.
Exodus 21:12-27
12 He that smiteth (to attack, damage, or destroy by, or as if, heavy blows) a
man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
(Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death)
13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will
appoint (or select) thee a place whither (or to which) he shall flee.
(However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to
flee to a place I will designate.)
14 But if a man come presumptuously (Going beyond what is right or proper) upon
his neighbor, to slay him with guile (or deception); thou shalt take him from
mine altar, that he may die.
(But is a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my
altar and put him to death)
15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to
death.
(Anyone who attacks his father or mother must be put to death.)
16 And he that stealeth a man, amd selleth him, or if he be found in his hand,
he shall surely be put to death.
(Anyone to kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is
caught must be put to death.)
17 And he that curseth (Whether it's a profane word or a prayer of evil or
misfortune, I donâ?t know) his father, or his mother, shall surely
be put to death.
(Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death)
18 And if men strive (To exert much effort or energy) together, and one smite
another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepth his
bed:
(If men quarrel and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist and he does
not die but is confined to bed,)
19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote
him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to
be thoroughly healed.
(The one who struck the blow will not be held responsible if the other gets up
and walks around outside with a staff; however, he must pay the injured man for
the loss of his time and see that he is completely healed.)
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid with a rod, and he die under his
hand; he shall be surely punished.
(If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a
direct result, he must be punished,)
21 Notwithstanding (or in spite of the fact), if he continue a day or two he
shall not be punished: for he is his money.
(But he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the
slave is property.)
Quote by CyberDragoon Exodus
21:20-21
20 And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies
under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he remains
alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Here it clearly states that should a slave be beaten and killed no punishment
will be recieved if the slave lives for 1-2 days.
It actually is stating that if the slave dies then the owner will be punished,
but if the slave lives then the owner will not be punished, for the slave is the
owners property after all.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit (meaning
child) depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished,
according as the womanâ?s husband will lay upon him; and he
shallpay as the judges determine.
(If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurly (or
has a miscarriage) but there is nor serious injury, the offenders must be fined
whatever the womanâ?s husband demands and the court
allows.)
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
(But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,)
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe (A stroke or blow,
as with a whip).
This does not mean if someone knocks your tooth out you knock out theirs. It
means that if they knock out your tooth, in the punishment they have to give up
theirs.
26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it
perish; he shall let him go free for his eyes sake.
(If a man hits a manservant or maidservant in the eye and destroys it, he must
let the servant go free to compensate (to make satisfactory payment) for the
eye.)
27 And if he smite out his manservantâ?s tooth, or his
maidservants tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooths sake.
(And if he knocks out the tooth of a manservant or maidservant, he must let the
servant go free to compensate for the tooth.)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel (a young woman, girl, or maiden) that is a virgin,
which is not bethrothed (promised to marry), and lay hold on her, and lie with
her, and they found;
(If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps
with her and they are discovered,)
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damselâ?s
father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath
humbled (to curtail or destroy the pride) her, he may not put her away all his
days.
(He shall pay the girls father fifty shekels of silver, he must marry the girl,
for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he
lives)â?
Quote by CyberDragoonDeuteronomy
22:28-29
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold
on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty
shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he
may not put her away all his days.
Here it states that should a man rape a woman who is not married all he has to
do is pay her father and marry the girl. What kind of person would force a rape
victim to marry her rapist?
You are way off base here. They are not talking about making her marry her
rapist. Theyre talking about this dude, coming up and having sex with a chick
who is not gonna marry anyone, they get cought, and he has to marry her and pay
her father. Better?
Quote by CyberDragoonZechariah
14:1-2
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst
of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall
be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city
shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut
off from the city.
Here it says God will even HELP you ravish the women and enslave the
people.
First of all, it does not say a thing about enslaving the people.
Second of all, for this to even kinda make sense, you have to read the entier
book. Not just these lines.
Quote by CyberDragoonExactly my
point. God in his infinite power should realize beforehand all the bad seeds.
For does He not know all? If He knows all that will happen berforehand he should
realize what the evil people will do before they are even born. Allowing them to
be born even though He knows what will happen is sheer
madness.
You are forgetting one, VERY important thing. Satan. God does not control the
earth, Satan does. God gave Satan the earth in return for our souls.
Quote by CyberDragoonHow does God
show us? Mostly through the Bible I believe. But the Bible has so many bad
things in it. How can we know what does He want us to do? Are you suggesting I
keep slaves because it says that God is ok with it?
God does not only teach through the bible, he teaches through anything and
everything. God singles out the good and the bad, when you read the bible, and
you understand what he is saying, then you know what he wants you to do and what
he does not want you to do. He does not throw a bunch of stuff on the paper and
then say, Here is a bunch of stuff, figure out what I want you to do and figure
out what I do not want you to do. He right out TELLS you to, and what not to
do.
With the whole slave thing, you are thinking way too much into that. When they
talk about that they are also meaning to take an unbeliever under you wing and
show them love and kindness and compassion.
Quote by CyberDragoon I know
suffering is a part of life. What I want to know more on is why does God let
people suffer. I want to understand more concerning His nature and position on
it. I also do not really understand the difference between Old and New
Testament. I just read the King James version. If there is a fundamental
difference between New and Old why is there one? Isn't it the same God in either
of them? If not how do we know that the New Testament is the true word of God?
Who can say that the Old Testament is the truth?
If you want to understand more then READ more. You are not going to get answer
unless you look for them love. There are a lot of books to help you understand
the bible and things like that, videos. Ask and you shall recive.
Yes and no to the isn't it the same God thing. The God in the Old Testament is a
far away type of God, he is not right there infront of you type of thing. In the
New Testament it is a little different, because of Jesus. Jesus IS God. God
lowered himself to become human and to walk amonst us. That is the difference.
In the New Testament, there is a God we can see and touch, in the Old Testament,
it is only a God we can pray to, and read about. Which is kinda all we have
now-a-days.
The New Testament is the truth because it is mainly records of REAL letters that
were sent back and forth between people.
The Old Testament is the truth because it is actual written books that people
wrote (Along with some in the New Testament). Those people were actually THERE
durring that time, just like most of the letters in the New Testament.
Itâ?s not just people writing by what other people said, it is
actually people writing about what actually happened.
Quote by CyberDragoonIf the Old
Testament can be false who can say that the New Testament is not false too? And
what is the lesson of the Old Testament? To rape? To pillage? To murder? I do
not understand this dichotomy in the Bible.
ajb is incorrect with the Old Testament being fictional. It is not fictional, it
is people writing about what is to come. It is people makling profoceys about
Jesus. And because they came true, they are not fictional. The Old Testament is
real, and so is the New Testament.
No. Those are not the lessons of the Old Testament. Obviously you have never
READ the Old Testament very closley, actually wishing to learn and not to just
bash. The Old Testament is teachings of WHAT IS TO COME, meaning JESUS. They are
profoceys about the one God promised to send to save the Jews. The Old Testament
COMPLETELY points to everything that happens in the New Testament.
Quote by CyberDragoon During this
time I have looked up and found out what the New Testament was. However it does
not seem any better than the Old Testament.
I will say once again you can not just looks up certain verses, or just look
through the bible. You have to actually READ it, from bigging to end. That is
the only way it will work. Just like any other bloody book on
teachings.
Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation (An experience that tests one is
endurance, patience, or faith; Great affliction, trial or distress; suffering),
and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy (1. a. A contemptuous
or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity. B. The
act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God. 2. An irreverent
or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered
inviolable or sacrosanct.) of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are
the synagogue (A congregation of Jews for the purpose of worship or religious
study.) of Satan.
(I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander
of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of
Satan.)
Quote by CyberDragoon Revelation 2:9
"9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and
I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the
synagogue of Satan."
Here it says that Jews are devil worshippers. I find this to be an insult to the
Jewish most of which are good people.
It does not say that Jews are devil worshippers, it says that people who SAY
they are Jews but ARE NOT Jews are devil worshippers. Whatch what you
read.
Matthew 11:20-24
20 The began he to upbraid (to reprove sharply; reproach) the cities wherein
most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
(Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been
performed, because they did not repent.
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works,
which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have
repented (To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition
for one is sins) long ago in sackcloth (A garment made of course sacking;
formerly worn as an indication of remorse.) and ashes.
(Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed
in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago
in sackcloth and ashes.)
22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable (or endurable) for Tyre and
Sidon at the day of judgement, than for you.
(But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of
judgment than for you.)
23 And thou, Capernuam, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to
hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in
Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
(And you, Carpernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down
to Hedes, If the miracles that were preformed in you had been performed in
Sodom, it would have remained to this day.)
24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in
the day of judgement, than for thee.
(But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgement
than for you.)
Quote by CyberDragoon Matthew
11:20-24
20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were
done, because they repented not:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works,
which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have
repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day
of judgment, than for you.
23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to
hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in
Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in
the day of judgment, than for thee.
Here Jesus condemns entire cities to death because they would not accept his
teachings.
Incorrect again. He is punishing the cities, that were SHOWN PROFF that he was
the Son of God. And they still did not believe. Afterwords they did very nasty
things, in which they did not ask forgiveness for, repent, so God is punishing
them. That is how it works hun.
Matthew 13:33-43
33 Another parable (A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.)
spake (or spoke) he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven (And
agent, such as yeast, that causes batter or dough to rise), which a woman took,
and his in three measures of a meal, till the whole was leavened.
(He told them another parable: The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman
took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the
dough.)
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a
parable spake he not unto them:
(Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything
to them without using a parable.)
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet (1. A person who
speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of God
is expressed. 2. A person gifted with the profiund moral insight and exceptional
powers of expression. 3. A predictor; a soothsayer.) saying; I will open my
mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the
foundation of the world.
(So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in
parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.)
36 The Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his
disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto use the parable of the tares
(Any of several weedy plants that grow in grain fields) of the field.
(Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and
said, Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.)
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth (to scatter seed over the
ground for growing) the good seed is the Son of man;
(He answered, The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
(The field in the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom.
The weeds are the sons of the evil one,)
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers (One that reaps; harvests) are the angels.
(and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age,
and the harvesters are the angels.)
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be
in the end of this world.
(As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of
the age.)
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his
kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (A grossly immoral
act; a sin);
(The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom
everything that causes sin and all who do evil.)
42 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing (1. The grind or strike (the teeth, for example) together. 2. To bite
(something) by grinding the teeth) of teeth.
(They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and
gnashing of teeth)
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their
Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their father. He
who has ears, let him hear)
Quote by CyberDragoon Matthew
13:41-42
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his
kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
Here Jesus sends angels to cast anyone who offends into Hell. What happened to
forgiveness?
The ones who were cast into hell got the chance to be forgiven. But did not ask
of it, therefore did not recive it. If they are truly sorry for their sins, they
will be forgiven. Bad example love.
Quote by CyberDragoon There is much
intolerance in the New Testament. I could cite example but it appears that I
have grown long in my post. I will end here.
Go on and do so. I would like to see your proff. You need to fully read, and
look into something before you can bash it. All of your examples are
crap.
Quote by CTEon If the new testament was
written long after the death of jesus I'm just wondering how does people know
the accurateness of that is?...because the more I think about it the more I
believe that perhaps during the middle ages alterations could have been made by
the priests (only they could read along with royalty from memory) or whatever to
their benefit...that and also as you said it was written long after jesus's
death. Would the original stories of moses and all that still be accurately
portrayed within those pages?..just curious
The Priests, at that time, were against Jesus. No alterations have been made, if
that was true then there would still be Bibles without the alterations.
In the Old Testament people who WERE THERE are writings the books, in the New
Testament it is the SAME. They are LETTERS. They are writing from memory yes,
but when you write you are ALWAYS writing from memory. They were not changed to
anyones benefits.
Quote by CyberDragoon So if the
Bible does not truly contain Jesus's teachings what do Christians really believe
in? As the previous posts have stated the Bible was written after Jesus's death
by other people. For all we know they could have gotten it wrong as I'm pretty
sure they did. This is very weird. Perhaps some religious person can ansewr
these questions for me.
1) The Bible DOES truly contain Jesus' teachings, I would like to see your proff
of other.
2) They were not only written after his death, some of the letters were writen
WHILE it was happening. For example, it happened that day, he wrote the letter
about it later that day and sent it to someone. If you were RIGHT THERE, when it
happened, and you are not the only person saying it happened that way, how could
you have gotten it wrong?
Quote by UnwantedRedRosesYour
male and female slaves are to come from the evil nations around you; from them
you may by slaves.
Yes, if you are to get a slave, that you shall treat, and get, as explained in
the verses above, so that you may show them love and
caring.
Dood....That doesn't make it right. Is it ok to take a person who is poor as a
slave? All the perevious verses seem to only apply to your own countrymen. It
seems that other slaves
Quote: You can will them to you
children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must
not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Ruthlessly or not to make someone a slave for life doesn't seem right.
Quote: They are not being MADE to
do a damn thing.
I don't know. How can they be slaves forever and still be voluntary? Possible I
guess.
Quote: 17 And he that curseth
(Whether it's a profane word or a prayer of evil or misfortune) his father, or
his mother, shall surely be put to death.
(Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to
death)
Wow. I think that seems a bit harsh. I'd be put to death probably right now.
Shouldn't people be allowed freedom of opinion?
Quote: 21 Notwithstanding, if he
remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
It actually is stating that if the slave dies then the owner will be punished,
but if the slave lives then the owner will not be punished, for the slave is the
owners property after all.
In the version I have read it appears to say that if the salve is still alive
after two days then no punishment. Perhaps differences in translation? Either
way it almost seems to contridict the verses beforehand. Aren't you suppose to
treat your slaves with compassion and love anyway? And if you beat them why do
you get no punishment if hitting them is bad?
Quote: 24 Eye for eye, tooth for
tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot
This does not mean if someone knocks your tooth out you knock out theirs. It
means that if they knock out your tooth, in the punishment they have to give up
theirs.
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth will still leave the world blind and
toothless.
Quote: 28 If a man find a damsel (a
young woman, girl, or maiden) that is a virgin, which is not bethrothed
(promised to marry), and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they
found;
(If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps
with her and they are discovered,)
What do you interpret "lay hold on her?" I interpreted it as rape.
Quote: You are forgetting one, VERY
important thing. Satan. God does not control the earth, Satan does. God gave
Satan the earth in return for our souls.
Shouldn't God have known beforehand that Samael would fall and become Lucifer?
Why didn't he stop Lucifer from falling or something?
Quote: Yes and no to the isn't it
the same God thing. The God in the Old Testament is a far away type of God, he
is not right there infront of you type of thing. In the New Testament it is a
little different, because of Jesus. Jesus IS God. God lowered himself to become
human and to walk amonst us. That is the difference. In the New Testament, there
is a God we can see and touch, in the Old Testament, it is only a God we can
pray to, and read about. Which is kinda all we have
now-a-days.
I'm confused....Sorry. Jesus becomes God? I thought that Jesus was God's son?
Why would it suddenly change in the NT to make Jesus as God?
Quote: ajb is incorrect with the
Old Testament being fictional. It is not fictional, it is people writing about
what is to come. It is people makling profoceys about Jesus. And because they
came true, they are not fictional. The Old Testament is real, and so is the New
Testament.
Aren't there a bunch of incorrect prophecies too?
Quote: Then Jesus began to denounce
the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did
not repent.
What happened to his universal forgiveness?
Quote: They were not only written
after his death, some of the letters were writen WHILE it was happening. For
example, it happened that day, he wrote the letter about it later that day and
sent it to someone. If you were RIGHT THERE, when it happened, and you are not
the only person saying it happened that way, how could you have gotten it
wrong?
Quote by CTEonIf the new testament was
written long after the death of jesus I'm just wondering how does people know
the accurateness of that is?...because the more I think about it the more I
believe that perhaps during the middle ages alterations could have been made by
the priests (only they could read along with royalty from memory) or whatever to
their benefit...that and also as you said it was written long after jesus's
death.
Nobody really knows how acurate the writings are. The only proven facts are the
existance of the mentioned characters, even if the timeframe are not always
correct. E.g. Herode (king of the jews) was releaved from power years before
jesus was said to be born and this event was dated some years later than in the
script.
Quote by CTEonWould the original stories of
moses and all that still be accurately portrayed within those
pages?
These are from the old testament, dated about 4000-2000 b.c. so the accuracy of
these is unknown. Some of the events seem to have happened though, but nobody
can prove they happened like written in the testament.
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Quote by UnwantedRedRosesThe
Priests, at that time, were against Jesus. No alterations have been made, if
that was true then there would still be Bibles without the alterations.
OK, just to think translating a text from one language to another will keep all
the facts mentioned in the original is difficult even today. Doing this about
1000 years ago with text dated 500 to 1000 years earlier and written in several
different languages that weren't even in use at the time is absurd, and almost
impossible if knowing that not everyone involved in the transation was an expert
in these languages.
Sadly there're not enough original texts to reconstruct it to a translation of
todays standards... or are there?
Quote by UnwantedRedRosesIn the
Old Testament people who WERE THERE are writings the books, in the New Testament
it is the SAME. They are LETTERS. They are writing from memory yes, but when you
write you are ALWAYS writing from memory. They were not changed to anyones
benefits.
I wonder who actually was at the genesis writing down all the events
"This is John Doe, reporting live from the genesis for CNN" yeah,
sure... in time most people couln't read or write they were keeping a constant
diary.
Quote by UnwantedRedRoses1) The
Bible DOES truly contain Jesus' teachings, I would like to see your proff of
other.
2) They were not only written after his death, some of the letters were writen
WHILE it was happening. For example, it happened that day, he wrote the letter
about it later that day and sent it to someone. If you were RIGHT THERE, when it
happened, and you are not the only person saying it happened that way, how could
you have gotten it wrong?
Well, since the letters weren't collected at the time, nobody can proove they
are factual.
God is seen in many lights by different religions around the world. My question is mostly for the religious but any can answer. Why does the Bible depict God as someone who condones slavery, murder, and rape as well as universal love and justice? If you want I can cite many examples. (I am assuming that God is supposed to be all-good.)
One could argue that God is testing Mankind. However, is there a limit to His standardized tests? Is there a limit to how many Holocausts can happen before God can no longer be seen as all-good? I do not understand the purpose of such suffering.
Another possible explanation is that God rewards those who have suffered through eventual entry into Heaven. However, what about the evil people who have suffered greatly? Do they get to get into Heaven even though they are evil but suffered? Maybe because they are evil they must be punished by suffering though that seems a bit sadistic to me. Wouldn't simple refusal into Heaven be enough? Why do some villians suffer where other villians do not even though neither enter Heaven?
I guess this also a critique of the Bible itself. Is it Truth? Is it Lies? After all the Bible is kinda the biography of God. Isn't it weird to have this juxtaposition of love and murder in God?
UR RIGHT I TOO SOMETIMES TRY TO FIND OUT ANS TO SUCH Qs BUT IT SEEMS VERY TOUGH .
cite examples plz...
god does not condone slavery, murder, and rape...
he gives us the free will to do wut we want
and some of us choose to do those things...
that doesnt mean that god condones those things
tests us?
have u ever observed a teacher-student relationship,
where the teacher says "this is bad, dun do it",
but the student has feelings of wanting to do it anyways?
the ultimate goal of the teacher is to teach the student right and wrong and how to make the rite choices....
but in the end, not make the choices for them
the teacher suceeds when the student comes to his own terms and makes the rite decision on his own
which is how to get into heaven...
u have to embrace and accept it and god
only those who reject it will not go to heaven
but again, thats a choice we make...
we decide whether we want to accept or reject god and if we truly want to go to heaven
god does not make that decision...he shows us the path, he guides us...we have to choose walk that path
suffering is a part of life
whether u let the suffering strengthen u or weaken u is a choice u have to make
the bible truth or lies?
the old testament is fictional, if thats wut u mean
they are stories meant to teach
they are not literal
so yea, plz cite examples that made u think this way
I shall use the King James version of the Bible because that is the one I own. I also will assume that the Bible is indeed either God's word or divinely inspired.
Leviticus 25:44-46
"44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids."
Here it clearly states that slaves should be made of unbelievers.
"45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."
Here it clearly states that children and families of travelers should be bought.
"46And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
It says here that the slaves are slaves forever.
Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Here it clearly states that should a slave be beaten and killed no punishment will be recieved if the slave lives for 1-2 days.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Here it states that should a man rape a woman who is not married all he has to do is pay her father and marry the girl. What kind of person would force a rape victim to marry her rapist?
Zechariah 14:1-2
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Here it says God will even HELP you ravish the women and enslave the people.
Exactly my point. God in his infinite power should realize beforehand all the bad seeds. For does He not know all? If He knows all that will happen berforehand he should realize what the evil people will do before they are even born. Allowing them to be born even though He knows what will happen is sheer madness.
What about those who suffer from students who DON'T learn?
How does God show us? Mostly through the Bible I believe. But the Bible has so many bad things in it. How can we know what does He want us to do? Are you suggesting I keep slaves because it says that God is ok with it?
I know suffering is a part of life. What I want to know more on is why does God let people suffer. I want to understand more concerning His nature and position on it. I also do not really understand the difference between Old and New Testament. I just read the King James version. If there is a fundamental difference between New and Old why is there one? Isn't it the same God in either of them? If not how do we know that the New Testament is the true word of God? Who can say that the Old Testament is the truth?
If the Old Testament can be false who can say that the New Testament is not false too? And what is the lesson of the Old Testament? To rape? To pillage? To murder? I do not understand this dichotomy in the Bible.
During this time I have looked up and found out what the New Testament was. However it does not seem any better than the Old Testament.
Revelation 2:9
"9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Here it says that Jews are devil worshippers. I find this to be an insult to the Jewish most of which are good people.
Matthew 11:20-24
20Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Here Jesus condemns entire cities to death because they would not accept his teachings.
Matthew 13:41-42
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Here Jesus sends angels to cast anyone who offends into Hell. What happened to forgiveness?
There is much intolerance in the New Testament. I could cite example but it appears that I have grown long in my post. I will end here.
What god does or dosn not condone was always in the interpretation of anyone in the power of leading a community. since this is an easy way to controll dull masses of people and insure ones own power to rule in ones liking.
So if i was a religious leader i could say god doesn't like that guy, so kill him... and you would follow. Or i could stand against an empire that enforces slavery (uhm... like the romans) and say god prohibits slavery so set them free.
god to the masses.. power to me
Interesting GOd is a vessal for power. Lo ye unfaithful! God commandeth that thou bring CyberDragoon much cheese!
can anyone answer cyberdragoons question? or is this too deep or something, this is making christianity look bad.
The new testament was written long after the death of jesus. Metthew is believed to have written the first books, but even they are dated about 40-60 a.D.
The Person of Metthew (or Levi) isn't what I would call a reliable source on all events, since he only joined in the last days.
The forgiveness part and the final judgement suit my former post in here... psread fear to gain power... especially when you're being hunted by the romans
If the new testament was written long after the death of jesus I'm just wondering how does people know the accurateness of that is?...because the more I think about it the more I believe that perhaps during the middle ages alterations could have been made by the priests (only they could read along with royalty from memory) or whatever to their benefit...that and also as you said it was written long after jesus's death. Would the original stories of moses and all that still be accurately portrayed within those pages?..just curious
So if the Bible does not truly contain Jesus's teachings what do Christians really believe in? As the previous posts have stated the Bible was written after Jesus's death by other people. For all we know they could have gotten it wrong as I'm pretty sure they did. This is very weird. Perhaps some religious person can ansewr these questions for me.
First of all, you can't pick out random verses, and then go by that. You must quote verses before hand also.
Leviticus 25:35-46
35 And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner (or traveler); that he may live with thee.
(If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you.)
36 Take thou no usury (or lending money and charging interest) of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.
(Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God so that your countryman may continue to live among you.)
37 Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals (means; food) for increase.
(You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at profit.)
38 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.
(I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.)
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant (or slave; person obligated to service without wages):
(If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave)
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee (A year of rest to be observed by the Israelites every 50th year, during which slaves were to be set free, alienated property restored to the former owners, and the lands left untilled.):
(He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.)
41 And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and hall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers he return.
(The he and his children are to be released, and he will go back to his own clan and to be property of his forefathers)
42 For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen.
(Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves.)
43 Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour (harshness or cruelty in punishments); but shalt fear thy God,
(Do not rule over him ruthlessly, but fear you God.)
44 Both thy bondmen, and bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen (A person who does NOT acknowledge your God) that are round about you; of them shall you buy bondmen and bondmaids.
(Your male and female slaves are to come from the evil nations around you; from them you may by slaves.)
Yes, if you are to get a slave, that you shall treat, and get, as explained in the verses above, so that you may show them love and caring.
Continuing on,
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn (or temporarily stay) among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat (or produce) in your land: and they shall be your possession.
(You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their class born in your country, and they will become your property.)
Yes, still going by what was said in the before hand verses. Even going before where I started quoting.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethern the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
(You can will them to you children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.)
Yes, it does. But it never says that they owner is MAKING them be a slave, is it? The verses before these verses MEAN something to these verses. It all has to be read together and fit together. The person becoming a slave is of their own acount. They are not being MADE to do a damn thing.
Exodus 21:12-27
12 He that smiteth (to attack, damage, or destroy by, or as if, heavy blows) a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
(Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death)
13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint (or select) thee a place whither (or to which) he shall flee.
(However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.)
14 But if a man come presumptuously (Going beyond what is right or proper) upon his neighbor, to slay him with guile (or deception); thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
(But is a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death)
15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
(Anyone who attacks his father or mother must be put to death.)
16 And he that stealeth a man, amd selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
(Anyone to kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.)
17 And he that curseth (Whether it's a profane word or a prayer of evil or misfortune, I donâ?t know) his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
(Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death)
18 And if men strive (To exert much effort or energy) together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepth his bed:
(If men quarrel and one hits the other with a stone or with his fist and he does not die but is confined to bed,)
19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.
(The one who struck the blow will not be held responsible if the other gets up and walks around outside with a staff; however, he must pay the injured man for the loss of his time and see that he is completely healed.)
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
(If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished,)
21 Notwithstanding (or in spite of the fact), if he continue a day or two he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
(But he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is property.)
It actually is stating that if the slave dies then the owner will be punished, but if the slave lives then the owner will not be punished, for the slave is the owners property after all.
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit (meaning child) depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the womanâ?s husband will lay upon him; and he shallpay as the judges determine.
(If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurly (or has a miscarriage) but there is nor serious injury, the offenders must be fined whatever the womanâ?s husband demands and the court allows.)
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
(But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,)
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe (A stroke or blow, as with a whip).
This does not mean if someone knocks your tooth out you knock out theirs. It means that if they knock out your tooth, in the punishment they have to give up theirs.
26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eyes sake.
(If a man hits a manservant or maidservant in the eye and destroys it, he must let the servant go free to compensate (to make satisfactory payment) for the eye.)
27 And if he smite out his manservantâ?s tooth, or his maidservants tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooths sake.
(And if he knocks out the tooth of a manservant or maidservant, he must let the servant go free to compensate for the tooth.)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel (a young woman, girl, or maiden) that is a virgin, which is not bethrothed (promised to marry), and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they found;
(If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her and they are discovered,)
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damselâ?s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled (to curtail or destroy the pride) her, he may not put her away all his days.
(He shall pay the girls father fifty shekels of silver, he must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives)â?
You are way off base here. They are not talking about making her marry her rapist. Theyre talking about this dude, coming up and having sex with a chick who is not gonna marry anyone, they get cought, and he has to marry her and pay her father. Better?
First of all, it does not say a thing about enslaving the people.
Second of all, for this to even kinda make sense, you have to read the entier book. Not just these lines.
You are forgetting one, VERY important thing. Satan. God does not control the earth, Satan does. God gave Satan the earth in return for our souls.
God does not only teach through the bible, he teaches through anything and everything. God singles out the good and the bad, when you read the bible, and you understand what he is saying, then you know what he wants you to do and what he does not want you to do. He does not throw a bunch of stuff on the paper and then say, Here is a bunch of stuff, figure out what I want you to do and figure out what I do not want you to do. He right out TELLS you to, and what not to do.
With the whole slave thing, you are thinking way too much into that. When they talk about that they are also meaning to take an unbeliever under you wing and show them love and kindness and compassion.
If you want to understand more then READ more. You are not going to get answer unless you look for them love. There are a lot of books to help you understand the bible and things like that, videos. Ask and you shall recive.
Yes and no to the isn't it the same God thing. The God in the Old Testament is a far away type of God, he is not right there infront of you type of thing. In the New Testament it is a little different, because of Jesus. Jesus IS God. God lowered himself to become human and to walk amonst us. That is the difference. In the New Testament, there is a God we can see and touch, in the Old Testament, it is only a God we can pray to, and read about. Which is kinda all we have now-a-days.
The New Testament is the truth because it is mainly records of REAL letters that were sent back and forth between people.
The Old Testament is the truth because it is actual written books that people wrote (Along with some in the New Testament). Those people were actually THERE durring that time, just like most of the letters in the New Testament.
Itâ?s not just people writing by what other people said, it is actually people writing about what actually happened.
ajb is incorrect with the Old Testament being fictional. It is not fictional, it is people writing about what is to come. It is people makling profoceys about Jesus. And because they came true, they are not fictional. The Old Testament is real, and so is the New Testament.
No. Those are not the lessons of the Old Testament. Obviously you have never READ the Old Testament very closley, actually wishing to learn and not to just bash. The Old Testament is teachings of WHAT IS TO COME, meaning JESUS. They are profoceys about the one God promised to send to save the Jews. The Old Testament COMPLETELY points to everything that happens in the New Testament.
I will say once again you can not just looks up certain verses, or just look through the bible. You have to actually READ it, from bigging to end. That is the only way it will work. Just like any other bloody book on teachings.
Revelation 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation (An experience that tests one is
endurance, patience, or faith; Great affliction, trial or distress; suffering), and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy (1. a. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity. B. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God. 2. An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.) of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue (A congregation of Jews for the purpose of worship or religious study.) of Satan.
(I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.)
It does not say that Jews are devil worshippers, it says that people who SAY they are Jews but ARE NOT Jews are devil worshippers. Whatch what you read.
Matthew 11:20-24
20 The began he to upbraid (to reprove sharply; reproach) the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
(Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented (To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one is sins) long ago in sackcloth (A garment made of course sacking; formerly worn as an indication of remorse.) and ashes.
(Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.)
22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable (or endurable) for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgement, than for you.
(But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.)
23 And thou, Capernuam, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
(And you, Carpernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to Hedes, If the miracles that were preformed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.)
24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgement, than for thee.
(But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgement than for you.)
Incorrect again. He is punishing the cities, that were SHOWN PROFF that he was the Son of God. And they still did not believe. Afterwords they did very nasty things, in which they did not ask forgiveness for, repent, so God is punishing them. That is how it works hun.
Matthew 13:33-43
33 Another parable (A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.) spake (or spoke) he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven (And agent, such as yeast, that causes batter or dough to rise), which a woman took, and his in three measures of a meal, till the whole was leavened.
(He told them another parable: The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough.)
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
(Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.)
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet (1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of God is expressed. 2. A person gifted with the profiund moral insight and exceptional powers of expression. 3. A predictor; a soothsayer.) saying; I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
(So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.)
36 The Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto use the parable of the tares
(Any of several weedy plants that grow in grain fields) of the field.
(Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.)
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth (to scatter seed over the ground for growing) the good seed is the Son of man;
(He answered, The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man.)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
(The field in the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,)
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers (One that reaps; harvests) are the angels.
(and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are the angels.)
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.)
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (A grossly immoral act; a sin);
(The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.)
42 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing (1. The grind or strike (the teeth, for example) together. 2. To bite (something) by grinding the teeth) of teeth.
(They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth)
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their
Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their father. He who has ears, let him hear)
The ones who were cast into hell got the chance to be forgiven. But did not ask of it, therefore did not recive it. If they are truly sorry for their sins, they will be forgiven. Bad example love.
Go on and do so. I would like to see your proff. You need to fully read, and look into something before you can bash it. All of your examples are crap.
The Priests, at that time, were against Jesus. No alterations have been made, if that was true then there would still be Bibles without the alterations.
In the Old Testament people who WERE THERE are writings the books, in the New Testament it is the SAME. They are LETTERS. They are writing from memory yes, but when you write you are ALWAYS writing from memory. They were not changed to anyones benefits.
1) The Bible DOES truly contain Jesus' teachings, I would like to see your proff of other.
2) They were not only written after his death, some of the letters were writen WHILE it was happening. For example, it happened that day, he wrote the letter about it later that day and sent it to someone. If you were RIGHT THERE, when it happened, and you are not the only person saying it happened that way, how could you have gotten it wrong?
Okay, I am done now.
Dood....That doesn't make it right. Is it ok to take a person who is poor as a slave? All the perevious verses seem to only apply to your own countrymen. It seems that other slaves
Ruthlessly or not to make someone a slave for life doesn't seem right.
I don't know. How can they be slaves forever and still be voluntary? Possible I guess.
Wow. I think that seems a bit harsh. I'd be put to death probably right now. Shouldn't people be allowed freedom of opinion?
In the version I have read it appears to say that if the salve is still alive after two days then no punishment. Perhaps differences in translation? Either way it almost seems to contridict the verses beforehand. Aren't you suppose to treat your slaves with compassion and love anyway? And if you beat them why do you get no punishment if hitting them is bad?
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth will still leave the world blind and toothless.
What do you interpret "lay hold on her?" I interpreted it as rape.
Shouldn't God have known beforehand that Samael would fall and become Lucifer? Why didn't he stop Lucifer from falling or something?
I'm confused....Sorry. Jesus becomes God? I thought that Jesus was God's son? Why would it suddenly change in the NT to make Jesus as God?
Aren't there a bunch of incorrect prophecies too?
What happened to his universal forgiveness?
Mass hallucination? Ha just a joke.
Nobody really knows how acurate the writings are. The only proven facts are the existance of the mentioned characters, even if the timeframe are not always correct. E.g. Herode (king of the jews) was releaved from power years before jesus was said to be born and this event was dated some years later than in the script.
These are from the old testament, dated about 4000-2000 b.c. so the accuracy of these is unknown. Some of the events seem to have happened though, but nobody can prove they happened like written in the testament.
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OK, just to think translating a text from one language to another will keep all the facts mentioned in the original is difficult even today. Doing this about 1000 years ago with text dated 500 to 1000 years earlier and written in several different languages that weren't even in use at the time is absurd, and almost impossible if knowing that not everyone involved in the transation was an expert in these languages.
Sadly there're not enough original texts to reconstruct it to a translation of todays standards... or are there?
I wonder who actually was at the genesis writing down all the events
"This is John Doe, reporting live from the genesis for CNN" yeah, sure... in time most people couln't read or write they were keeping a constant diary.
Well, since the letters weren't collected at the time, nobody can proove they are factual.
Oh god... geez, does it MATTER? Will it make you any happier if the Bible is "real" or a pagan conspiracy? Is it worth wasting time over a book?