I recently ( 10 minutes ago) upgraded my CPU and motherboard.
I went from a 1.6gz AMD Duron to a 3.0ghz Pentium 4.
Now a few changes were with this, My nVidia GeForuce 4 MMX440 128mb video card
was incompatible, so I was forced to use the onbard video card, ATI Radeon
Xpress 200.
i spent a few hours trying to boot windows with no avail, due to
DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSOD errors.
Now, I finally reinstalled Windows.
First however, I tred the Reapir function.
Didn't work, BSOD.
So, then I reninstalled windows, same drive, overwrite directory.
So, after 40 or so minutes, it finishes.
Odd thing.
It retains my Regional Settings.
It retains my accounts.
It even keeps my setting for Bblean as the shell.
So, I'm thinking... "Cool, but wtf?"
I talk to my friends a bit, then go to install the drivers on the motherboard
driver disc.
Then....
I notice...
My three disc drives are gone.
(CD/DVD, HDD is fine)
My:
1- 48x CD/RW Burner
2- 8x DVD/RW Burner
3- 52x CD/RW Burner
All of them are gone.
So, I restart my computer. Sure enough, The drives are showing up on the BIOS
check for IDE devices, but as soon as I get into Windows, the drives are gone
again.
Anyone know what is wrong? This has happened to me once before, but that
computer is long gone.
Well, the first problem is that you downgraded to a pentium chip
And seriously, a 1.6GHz AMD is just as fast as a 3GHz P4, so why the
switch?
As much as i'd like to razz you about your P4, now on the helpful stuff.
Reformat your harddrive before you reinstall windows, or check the option to if
it lets you. Obviously, whatever you've been doing hasn't reformatted the ol'
HD, because some of your settings remained the same. The only way to make sure
you're working from a fresh install is to reformat before you reinstall
windows.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, and you might try the ADD/REMOVE HARDWARE in Control Panel real quick
first, on the off chance that all it needs are drivers for the drives
yea, quickest way is just to uninstall all your old drivers, if that doesn't
work, switch the cables on the drives to force your computer to update
drivers
Though, normally you'd want to completely reformat your main drive before
changing a mobo, just cuz it saves a lot of hassle and removes the possibilty of
any drivers screwin around cuz they weren't removed properly
Lastly why's your vid card incompatable? if it's a new mobo it shouldn't have
any compatabilty issues, with a mobo with onboard graphics, u needa diasble the
onboard peripherals to use separate peripherals
BTW, pretty much BinNumber3 is correct upon this matter, it's almost easier to
just to reformat and do it from scratch. For Windows dosen't like that if you
have a newer version of it, espically. That's what I've always done if I updated
hardware that extreme, and only time I haven't done is with Drives. =)
If ya really don't wanna go that route, I would suggest going into Device
Manager, and see if you see any "Yellow" "!" points, and if
you do might need drivers, if it's a spefic brand, despite usually XP
AutoDetects them via PnP.
About the Video Card, I have no reall idea for I have almost nothing to work on,
Model of boards, or what OS your usin', but I'm assuimin' Windows XP. I'm sure
you got a new card that might be usin' PCI Express, thus why it's workin' on
your computer for you had a AGP or PCI? Or something to that efffect, at any
rate.
If they don't see 'em, unstall your old drivers through that, and yes, even your
IDE Channels see if that helps out. Also, make sure if that does work that your
in DMA mode, and not PIO mode (That's horrendeous when ya try to burn DVD's,
espically. Hehe). If you still have problems, go ahead contact me on here, or
your welcome to IM me.
G'Luck,
Ali
BTW, outofphase nope they aren't the same. *LAUGHS* There is a good size
difference. I have a 1900+ AMD Athlon, and it comes out to a 1.6 (Or push
proccessing 1.9), so really there is a good size difference there, even thought
I"m more biased to AMD now myself as well (Even if they burn hot as crap).
Quote by outofphaseWell, the first
problem is that you downgraded to a pentium chip
And seriously, a 1.6GHz AMD is just as fast as a 3GHz P4, so why the
switch?
Interesting thought... but WRONG. A 1.6 Duron runs at 700MHz and can't even keep
up with a P3 550MHz.
Quote by outofphaseAs much as i'd like
to razz you about your P4, now on the helpful stuff. Reformat your harddrive
before you reinstall windows, or check the option to if it lets you. Obviously,
whatever you've been doing hasn't reformatted the ol' HD, because some of your
settings remained the same. The only way to make sure you're working from a
fresh install is to reformat before you reinstall
windows.
What for?
-------
If you switch from an AMD to an Intel system, you have to replace all
systemdrivers... sometimes even the HAL (if your switching to an HT or
Dualcore). In this cases it's easier to install a clean windows. So backup all
your profile folders and files first before upgrading.
If some drives aren't show in the explorer look into the "Disk
Management" if they're shown their, sometime they're just not given a valid
drive-letter.
Click right on "My Computer" -> "Manage" -> "Disk
Management"
All connected Driver should be shown their. To assign a drive-letter clicke
right on the drive and select "Change Leter and Paths..." an pick a
letter.
PS: what do you need a CDRW, DVDRw and a DVD-ROM for? The last 2 would be
enough... and you wouldn't have to connect one of them to the HDD IDE
interface... which is better for performance
Quote by bindermichiInteresting
thought... but WRONG. A 1.6 Duron runs at 700MHz and can't even keep up with a
P3 550MHz.
Hehe. Exactly right. First off, a Duron is in a completely different class than
the P4, it's technically in the same class as a Celeron. Generation/class gaps
will affect how two processors compare. I know AMD has been touting this whole
"clock speed isn't everything" argument (rightly so), but like the
claim, there really <i>is</i> more than just clock speed, and not
only when it's convenient. For example, my old 1.2 TBird will probably out
perform a 1.6 Duron, purely based on the fact that the TBirds were more
"fully functional" processors. My TBird will also give off a whole lot
more heat, which is the reason I switched to Intel a few years ago. Mind you,
this was way before the days of the Prescott. I couldn't be happier with the P4
2.4C
Personally, I would never try to tell XP to boot a completely new set of
hardware. I've done it in the past and it's been a real pain. Win2000 will
sometimes do it, if the jump isn't too extreme (it didn't like being moved from
a P2 to an Athlon, though). Sure, you could mess with the drivers, but I've
always believed that a reinstall would save the pain of digging through and
making sure all the right drivers are in place. With that new computer of yours,
a base install of Windows should take under half an hour. My computer clocks in
at about 15-20 minutes. I've actually got a reinstall down to about a 2 to 3
hour process, with backing up and reinstalling (without using a ghost
image).
Quote by bindermichiPS: what do you
need a CDRW, DVDRw and a DVD-ROM for? The last 2 would be enough... and you
wouldn't have to connect one of them to the HDD IDE interface... which is better
for performance
You would think that. However, I've found that DVD-ROMs don't always handle CDs
as well as a plain CD-ROM. It sounds weird, but I've actually tested this. It
might have been because the DVD drive used was crap, but that shouldn't explain
why the CD drive read CDs faster than the DVD drive (both listed the same
"specs").
Okay...
A few things.
The disc drives DO NOT EXIST within the confines of Windows.
No detection, no listing as hardware,
Nothing in Device Manager,
No drivers loaded for CD/DVD drives,
Nothing.
Also, I highly doubt I messed up the cables.
This exact setup, has been used for 2 years and not ONCE has the case been
opened.
Just for reference, I have my Disc Drives connected thru IDE cables to the
mobo.
The Hard Drives are connected by IDE cables to a PCI ATA card.
In the end, I really needed to use my computer as I had work, so a reinstalled
Windows AGAIN and this time, all my previous user data was erased.
However, there are some interesting problems.
Some, but not all, folders in my old application data folders are now saying
"Access Denied". This is not a blanket effect, but only 20% of random
folders in Application Data.
Also, my computer upon startup now shoots me the message
"C:/WiINDOWS/system32/Tools/Delfolders.exe cannot be found. Check your
spelling" ect... ect...
What is delfolders? I searched for it but all I got were blank entries.
(Last note, CPU is "Intel P4 630, Intel P4 630 Tray 775, Pentium 4
3.0GHz@800FSB, 2MB Cache". Directly from the label)
I'm sorry, I think that's the only way your going to fix that mess, needless to
say. =( Back up your data best as you can and redo it, literally wiping
everything out. Got to big of a mess now, and before you do make sure the make
of your card on your ATA Card, and yes. Back it up so you can install it, when
Windows is askin' for 3rd hardware.
Tiki is also correct that it is better to have a "PrePacked" Service
Pack 2. That's what I actually do when a new service back is out, I pack ito a
whole new disk so if I need to reinstall I less issues when upgrading and such.
If you can't do it, it's still fine.
My only current problem is that of the "Access Denied" and
"Delfolders.exe"
But since the original problem of this topic is over,
Could a mod please close this topic?
Your old problem is gone, but now you got a new one.
Windows sooo fragile.
Go with the Penguin!
XP
Also some folders are made to be denied by any user even the Administrator,
but
there is a work around, all you have to do is set the security policy
permissions
for that specific user account. In order to have access rights to gain into that
"denied" folder.
You have to know how to use the "cacls" command line. link
I recently ( 10 minutes ago) upgraded my CPU and motherboard.
I went from a 1.6gz AMD Duron to a 3.0ghz Pentium 4.
Now a few changes were with this, My nVidia GeForuce 4 MMX440 128mb video card was incompatible, so I was forced to use the onbard video card, ATI Radeon Xpress 200.
i spent a few hours trying to boot windows with no avail, due to DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSOD errors.
Now, I finally reinstalled Windows.
First however, I tred the Reapir function.
Didn't work, BSOD.
So, then I reninstalled windows, same drive, overwrite directory.
So, after 40 or so minutes, it finishes.
Odd thing.
It retains my Regional Settings.
It retains my accounts.
It even keeps my setting for Bblean as the shell.
So, I'm thinking... "Cool, but wtf?"
I talk to my friends a bit, then go to install the drivers on the motherboard driver disc.
Then....
I notice...
My three disc drives are gone.
(CD/DVD, HDD is fine)
My:
1- 48x CD/RW Burner
2- 8x DVD/RW Burner
3- 52x CD/RW Burner
All of them are gone.
So, I restart my computer. Sure enough, The drives are showing up on the BIOS check for IDE devices, but as soon as I get into Windows, the drives are gone again.
Anyone know what is wrong? This has happened to me once before, but that computer is long gone.
Well, the first problem is that you downgraded to a pentium chip
And seriously, a 1.6GHz AMD is just as fast as a 3GHz P4, so why the switch?
As much as i'd like to razz you about your P4, now on the helpful stuff. Reformat your harddrive before you reinstall windows, or check the option to if it lets you. Obviously, whatever you've been doing hasn't reformatted the ol' HD, because some of your settings remained the same. The only way to make sure you're working from a fresh install is to reformat before you reinstall windows.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, and you might try the ADD/REMOVE HARDWARE in Control Panel real quick first, on the off chance that all it needs are drivers for the drives
yea, quickest way is just to uninstall all your old drivers, if that doesn't work, switch the cables on the drives to force your computer to update drivers
Though, normally you'd want to completely reformat your main drive before changing a mobo, just cuz it saves a lot of hassle and removes the possibilty of any drivers screwin around cuz they weren't removed properly
Lastly why's your vid card incompatable? if it's a new mobo it shouldn't have any compatabilty issues, with a mobo with onboard graphics, u needa diasble the onboard peripherals to use separate peripherals
Howdy,
BTW, pretty much BinNumber3 is correct upon this matter, it's almost easier to just to reformat and do it from scratch. For Windows dosen't like that if you have a newer version of it, espically. That's what I've always done if I updated hardware that extreme, and only time I haven't done is with Drives. =)
If ya really don't wanna go that route, I would suggest going into Device Manager, and see if you see any "Yellow" "!" points, and if you do might need drivers, if it's a spefic brand, despite usually XP AutoDetects them via PnP.
About the Video Card, I have no reall idea for I have almost nothing to work on, Model of boards, or what OS your usin', but I'm assuimin' Windows XP. I'm sure you got a new card that might be usin' PCI Express, thus why it's workin' on your computer for you had a AGP or PCI? Or something to that efffect, at any rate.
If they don't see 'em, unstall your old drivers through that, and yes, even your IDE Channels see if that helps out. Also, make sure if that does work that your in DMA mode, and not PIO mode (That's horrendeous when ya try to burn DVD's, espically. Hehe). If you still have problems, go ahead contact me on here, or your welcome to IM me.
G'Luck,
Ali
BTW, outofphase nope they aren't the same. *LAUGHS* There is a good size difference. I have a 1900+ AMD Athlon, and it comes out to a 1.6 (Or push proccessing 1.9), so really there is a good size difference there, even thought I"m more biased to AMD now myself as well (Even if they burn hot as crap).
probably you didn't get your IDE stuff right ..check the jumpers
T3chb0y,
He did get the jumpers right if BIOS is readin' them. =D I'm sure it's IDE Controllers in Windows that is wreckin' havoc, myself, tho.
Tootles,
Ali
Interesting thought... but WRONG. A 1.6 Duron runs at 700MHz and can't even keep up with a P3 550MHz.
What for?
-------
If you switch from an AMD to an Intel system, you have to replace all systemdrivers... sometimes even the HAL (if your switching to an HT or Dualcore). In this cases it's easier to install a clean windows. So backup all your profile folders and files first before upgrading.
If some drives aren't show in the explorer look into the "Disk Management" if they're shown their, sometime they're just not given a valid drive-letter.
Click right on "My Computer" -> "Manage" -> "Disk Management"
All connected Driver should be shown their. To assign a drive-letter clicke right on the drive and select "Change Leter and Paths..." an pick a letter.
PS: what do you need a CDRW, DVDRw and a DVD-ROM for? The last 2 would be enough... and you wouldn't have to connect one of them to the HDD IDE interface... which is better for performance
Hehe. Exactly right. First off, a Duron is in a completely different class than the P4, it's technically in the same class as a Celeron. Generation/class gaps will affect how two processors compare. I know AMD has been touting this whole "clock speed isn't everything" argument (rightly so), but like the claim, there really <i>is</i> more than just clock speed, and not only when it's convenient. For example, my old 1.2 TBird will probably out perform a 1.6 Duron, purely based on the fact that the TBirds were more "fully functional" processors. My TBird will also give off a whole lot more heat, which is the reason I switched to Intel a few years ago. Mind you, this was way before the days of the Prescott. I couldn't be happier with the P4 2.4C
Personally, I would never try to tell XP to boot a completely new set of hardware. I've done it in the past and it's been a real pain. Win2000 will sometimes do it, if the jump isn't too extreme (it didn't like being moved from a P2 to an Athlon, though). Sure, you could mess with the drivers, but I've always believed that a reinstall would save the pain of digging through and making sure all the right drivers are in place. With that new computer of yours, a base install of Windows should take under half an hour. My computer clocks in at about 15-20 minutes. I've actually got a reinstall down to about a 2 to 3 hour process, with backing up and reinstalling (without using a ghost image).
You would think that. However, I've found that DVD-ROMs don't always handle CDs as well as a plain CD-ROM. It sounds weird, but I've actually tested this. It might have been because the DVD drive used was crap, but that shouldn't explain why the CD drive read CDs faster than the DVD drive (both listed the same "specs").
Okay...
A few things.
The disc drives DO NOT EXIST within the confines of Windows.
No detection, no listing as hardware,
Nothing in Device Manager,
No drivers loaded for CD/DVD drives,
Nothing.
Also, I highly doubt I messed up the cables.
This exact setup, has been used for 2 years and not ONCE has the case been opened.
Just for reference, I have my Disc Drives connected thru IDE cables to the mobo.
The Hard Drives are connected by IDE cables to a PCI ATA card.
In the end, I really needed to use my computer as I had work, so a reinstalled Windows AGAIN and this time, all my previous user data was erased.
However, there are some interesting problems.
Some, but not all, folders in my old application data folders are now saying "Access Denied". This is not a blanket effect, but only 20% of random folders in Application Data.
Also, my computer upon startup now shoots me the message "C:/WiINDOWS/system32/Tools/Delfolders.exe cannot be found. Check your spelling" ect... ect...
What is delfolders? I searched for it but all I got were blank entries.
(Last note, CPU is "Intel P4 630, Intel P4 630 Tray 775, Pentium 4 3.0GHz@800FSB, 2MB Cache". Directly from the label)
You still have not done a complete reformat yet.
Redo your whole system one more time.
Since you have your HD installed into a PCI ATA card, you might
need to install special drivers.
Once you got up to the setup screen, Delete the previous partition and
create a new one, then format and install Windows.
After windows has finished, install the Chipset Drivers first and the Graphic card driver last. As for the other drivers, do what ever order you want.
Also it's better if you have SP2 slipstreamed into your Windows CD,
If you don't have it, check online and they'll teach you how to make one yourself.
Uh....
My only current problem is that of the "Access Denied" and "Delfolders.exe"
But since the original problem of this topic is over,
Could a mod please close this topic?
Raptorfb,
*Cough* Format C:
I'm sorry, I think that's the only way your going to fix that mess, needless to say. =( Back up your data best as you can and redo it, literally wiping everything out. Got to big of a mess now, and before you do make sure the make of your card on your ATA Card, and yes. Back it up so you can install it, when Windows is askin' for 3rd hardware.
Tiki is also correct that it is better to have a "PrePacked" Service Pack 2. That's what I actually do when a new service back is out, I pack ito a whole new disk so if I need to reinstall I less issues when upgrading and such. If you can't do it, it's still fine.
Still in the end I suggest: Format C:
Go with NTFS if you can. =P
Laters,
Ali
Your old problem is gone, but now you got a new one.
Windows sooo fragile.
Go with the Penguin!
XP
Also some folders are made to be denied by any user even the Administrator, but
there is a work around, all you have to do is set the security policy permissions
for that specific user account. In order to have access rights to gain into that
"denied" folder.
You have to know how to use the "cacls" command line.
link
Everything is fine now.
Just Rar'ed the folder and anything that wasn't accessable was skipped.
Delfolder.exe is gone.
:D