Well this is a long one, but read it. You will find it enlightening.

Here's an interesting thought. Unfortunately, people do not consider this often enough. Shall we begin by describing the two? As with all people, I am subject to mistakes, so if I've made one, please correct me.

Saint: General good-doer. Could be anything from someone who hunts down evil actively, even resorting to killing if necessary; to passively fighting evil by doing kind deeds for others. This person doesn't have to be declared a Saint to be more than worthy of the title, but never recognized... So I'm not just talking about people who have "earned" the St.- before their name. Anybody is capable of good.

Terrorist: Also known as villain, evil-doer, bad guy. The general perception of evil terrorists in the world today is middle-eastern folk. Is this true? That's right, it is INCORRECT. It's fanatics who take their religion/duty as to say "Rid the world of 'impurities'." (Though it is NOT limited to that.) There are evil people in every country, every city. Chances are, you know or have met somebody evil in your lifetime. Anybody is capable of evil.

That being said, what terrorists come to mind? Osama Bin-Ladin? Hitler? Idi Amir?
What saints? Mother Theresa? Teddy Rooseveldt? The Pope?
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Now, you probably have not considered strongly enough the two and who they are, and also what impact they have directly on your life. Take George W. Bush. Strangely enough, he is viewed as being a good person on conquest to rid the world of evil. There is nothing wrong with conquesting against evil, true, but that is not his action. He is exactly like Osama Bin-Ladin, just think about it. Before insurgence ever started, he was in Iraq, and had already killed 100,000 people. That is, to say, 100,000 innocent men, women and children. (Yes, this is actually true.) He did this "in the name of good." Now consider Osama Bin-Ladin. He commits his acts of evil differently, with suicide fighters and "textbook terrorists", but the theory is the same: "all in the name of good." And to compare the two: The largest attack by Osama was against the twin towers, and if I remember correctly the deathtoll was around 10,000. Bush's terrorist actions against Iraq long before insurgence ever started racked up a deathtoll of 100,000. These people are innocent people! The Americans, the Iraqis, everybody involved! (Some exceptions, as with everything in life, of course.)

Statistically this makes George Dubya 10x the terrorist than the "terrorists" he's fighting. And this is not considering post-insurgence terrorism from both sides.

Now consider the impact good has on your life. There is probably not much of a signifigant impact from public figures, but think of your friends and aquaintances, family, teachers, coworkers, bosses, even you; anybody and everybody. Think more often about the good deeds these people do. These people have more of an impact on you than you may realize, and on a global scale they all make a difference. Every good deed brings the world closer to a common greatness and peace.

Any thoughts? >=0000000~~~~~!

Retarded Monkey with Nuclear Arsenal!
Definitions of Terrorist

Bush did use violence to achieve political objectives
Lucky for the world he hasnt use the nukes (yet)

I really dont like that dude

Your reply gives me great satisfaction. Though I should have added "evil" before "Retarded monkey with Nuclear Arsenal". Ah well. Implied.

Oh, I do love the pictures of Bush as a monkey...And it's true, there is a very thin line between terrorist and a saint. because of what you do as a saint and what terrorists do are almost the same...

Well at least he won't be around in the coming years. Democrats are probably going to make a comeback.

As grim as it sounds... I would be greatly pleased if his whole family from him and down was wiped off the mortal coil. No reproduction, no more war, no more bullsh-... err.. bull, no more generations, no NOTHING. Oh, that does sound pretty grim... But seriously. The world needs less Bush. (In a matter of speaking... lol)

I agree
but this time its bush
The next time it could be someone else

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG
there are people who voted ''good''

Like me. Well, good and not good. I voted Kerry (not because he was a good candidate but because he was the lesser of two evils)
Bush is SATAN!

Hmm...I'm kind of outdated on this subject (I haven't lived in the U.S. for a few years now) but I'll see what I can do...
What I'll say first is that Bush has had what most would call "misfortunate" terms. For example:
9/11/01
Most other presidents never had to deal with stuff like that...
I didn't personally like how it lead into war on a country that wasn't the cause of it...but, I'm just making a point.
Also, if the government can get into it, they can get out.
(Hopefully...)
Which is why I have no opinion.
Yay!

But if Bill Clinton, for example, was still president, then we would at least know WHY we are in a war. ^.^

merged: 12-15-2005 ~ 05:57am
(not saying that I am a fan of Big Billy)

i say the opposite of saint isnt terrorist. its ment to be ....hitler
or evil doer....
in my mind you can, and mostly will disagree with the terrorist's way of getting his problems solved. but its not evil, deluded, childish, barbarian but not evil.

his problems are usually not evil. unless he actually wants to do something like exterminate a whole race of people.

btw elvaleryn what u said about osama/bush relationship/similarity is true but think about who can actually say it in public. just think about who can say it.

If a muslim leader says osama is a good man(he actually does charity with those millions of $$$) then he get called an extremist and targeted by media. what would happen if a rabai or priest/cleric(the christian version) says the same thing?

thast what i think at least. i voted
Retarded Monkey with Nuclear Arsenal XDXD

*baffled*...
How did he get two "good" votes?

mmmmmhhh. riiiight..... uh.... uhm............ errhh, wha-...... hmm. whatever. I guess he DID actually become president in the first place. SOMEONE must of thought he would be a good leader.

Quote by elvalerynAs grim as it sounds... I would be greatly pleased if his whole family from him and down was wiped off the mortal coil. No reproduction, no more war, no more bullsh-... err.. bull, no more generations, no NOTHING. Oh, that does sound pretty grim... But seriously. The world needs less Bush. (In a matter of speaking... lol)

Becareful on what you say. I know a person who related to Bush. Really. DOn't like her that much though... she like those sterotypical rich girls.

10,000 in the 9/11 attack? More like 3,000. If you add up all of Osama attacks then yes, it can be 10,000. Iraqis dead... said to be 50,000 but I think that a low estimate.

Anyways... Bush is a... stupid monkey. I don't like him, I don't hate him. Just don't die. I rather have him in office right now.

This can be a very dangerous subject .. the kind I like...
Good one Elvaleryn.

I don't like George Bush .. didn't like his father, don't like him either. As for him becoming president the first time .. well, it was rather controversial now wasn't it? And the second time .. after what the general American public said about him, and from what SKY and BCC showed what his polls were like, I was truly amazed.

I'm from South Africa, and we have had our fair share of 'terrorism' to deal with in the past. Growing up as a white child in Apartheid SA, we had regular bomb drills at school, with a few actual scares to deal with as well. At all public places you were made aware of limpit mines, basic time bombs. This was because the terrorist in our country wanted to kill us. That's what we were told.

After apartheid with the oppressed black citizens of the country now free, these previously labelled 'terrorists' are now our leaders.

A terrorist for one person is a freedom fighter for another.

Were what these freedom fighters / terrorists did in the past, by blowing up public places filled with innocent people righteous?
Acts of violence when politically motivated are called acts of terrorism by the victim, and acts of of fighting injustice by the freedom fighter.
To me killing innocent people no matter what the reason, military, political, religious .. it's murder.

Quote by CyboThis can be a very dangerous subject .. the kind I like...
Good one Elvaleryn.

I don't like George Bush .. didn't like his father, don't like him either. As for him becoming president the first time .. well, it was rather controversial now wasn't it? And the second time .. after what the general American public said about him, and from what SKY and BCC showed what his polls were like, I was truly amazed.

I'm from South Africa, and we have had our fair share of 'terrorism' to deal with in the past. Growing up as a white child in Apartheid SA, we had regular bomb drills at school, with a few actual scares to deal with as well. At all public places you were made aware of limpit mines, basic time bombs. This was because the terrorist in our country wanted to kill us. That's what we were told.

After apartheid with the oppressed black citizens of the country now free, these previously labelled 'terrorists' are now our leaders.

A terrorist for one person is a freedom fighter for another.

Were what these freedom fighters / terrorists did in the past, by blowing up public places filled with innocent people righteous?
Acts of violence when politically motivated are called acts of terrorism by the victim, and acts of of fighting injustice by the freedom fighter.
To me killing innocent people no matter what the reason, military, political, religious .. it's murder.

That, Cybo, is an extremely valid point. I may have said that the world is better off without that entire genetic line, but naturally murder is murder. Taking a life is a very serious thing, and no matter how it's looked at, it's still in a way an act of terrorism. I didn't want to push anybody's bad buttons in saying I want him dead, or gone of course, but even though he is a living breathing emotional human being like all of us, the world really is better off without him. I suppose I can't speak for the creative and destructive universal forces/god/allah/shivah/the force/etc. but I've picked apart every angle I could have up to this point. And very few situations would or could ever be bettered by his existance, especially in the chair of, arguably, the most powerful position on the planet.

Don't get me wrong though, I would not kill anybody unless it came to it. I would kill to defend myself in a personal situation, but I would not kill just to do what I think is right. Though I have been right a lot of the time about this kind of stuff and related subjects, I would never think my opinion empowers me to simply 'do away' with him because I THINK the world would be a better place. Who's to say? I am not the wisest man. You are not the wisest man. (Or woman) There is only one wisest (wo)man and (s)he knows, with all that wisdom, that even (s)he could not see into the future to tell the system of events lead to after a situation like that.

In closing, I think that Bush should resign his office, disappear, and never be seen again. I just said I wished he was dead because he will never resign and disappear. He has an agenda. WORLD DOMINATION! *evil laugh* BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa..(...) at least religious conquest.)
:)

Even though I hate George Bush's lying and up-himself-ness, I kind of feel sorry for him. I know this sounds extremely childish and liberal (but who cares, liberals are nicer than conservatives), but being president of the USA is a huge job. And he's under a lot of pressure every day. No woner he's gone crazy, poor guy. Okay, end the childish and liberal s***.
He is really taking everything too far. It's turning into like... an ego thing instead of a righteous thing.

Not so much ego, but lust for power. Or, so it seems in any case.

I suppose it IS natural to lust for power... But to do evil things to achieve this power is nothing short of wrong. I don't know the man, so I can't say for sure that he's not just gone crazy under stress and really isn't as evil as he makes himself look, but the kind of things he does/has done is only forgivable by God. I know that I could never pull myself together to forgive his atrocities in the middle east. And what's worse...:

Much of the time he was in the Middle East screwing their lifestyle up (of course he rooted out some terrorists, but at what cost?) he was focusing seemingly more on the "gay marrige" issue.
"Hey people! It's more important that some people can't get married than to properly uproot terrorists and overthrow the entire country's government! GAY PEOPLE ARE WRONG! They should not be recognized as proper lovers because they have the same equipment! It's all so wrong! Won't someone please think of the children!?!?!" I hate how you work, Dubya. I hate how you lie, how you think, how you work, and most of all I hate the evil things you do. You've brought the world 10 steps further away from Utopia.

When a police officer is forced to draw his weapon it is only to be used as a last resort and even then to simply shoot someone dead, you have to prove that your life was in danger and there was no other way of stopping and disarming the criminal.

Yet you can drop bombs on a city filled with civilians.

Somewhere I'm missing the logic.

So next time my neighbour swears at my dog, plays music too loud and I think he might be smoking pot, I can chuck a grenade or 7 at him, but heaven forbid I try to shoot him when he breaks into my house..... ok.

Mhhhhh... Grenade..... ahhhhhh *homer-drool-in-lap*

Maybe we should get together and burn the whole neighbourhood down with grenades and bombs, so that nothing bad can happen in the future! Yeah... That's it... DEFINATELY no more terrorists in that neighbourhood afterwards. Bwahahahaha... Then we can take their oil with ease. *evil Bush snort*

Mhhhhh... Oil..... ahhhhhh *homer-drool-in-lap*

>o<''

Relax elvaleryn .. relax .. ok ... you can play with the time bomb switches if you like ... just don't go and drink the oil now see?

Conflics can be solved on many ways
Using violence is one of many solutions

But sometimes it better to remove the source (aka Bush)

I agree with post #17
but war on terror still continues........
(And gay marriages are allowed in the Netherland)

Bush admits he authorised spying (BBC)

*smacks bush with a dead chicken*

It's just quite a relief to know that I'm not alone in hating Dubya. Hey, can I have a turn with that dead chicken? Bwahahaha.