Technically this statement is correct. I might try to find a few scans or
renders that I have collected and contribute them, however I will likely work
within the 5 free download quota. Creating wallpapers is not a skill of mine and
I dont have a scanner. This means I have no way to conribute within the
parameters of the Minitokyo community.
How about a financial contribution? At this point I am on my way over to
AnimePaper.net to donate ~$6USD to gain less limited access to the wallpapers,
scans and other beautiful art there. I would be willing to make a similar
contribution to Minitokyo, but alas, there does not seem to be such a
mechanism.
What do you think about a pay pal solution for those of us who enjoy the art and
are willing to contribute a small ammount of money for access?
reddogg, your comments about not being able to contribute are not entirely true.
You can still participate (and gain credits) by commenting on gallery items,
participating in discussions, and writing reviews.
The idea of a donation certainly is tempting, but it really is not what
Minitokyo is about. In fact, there used to be a PayPal donation link (I know,
because I tossed a chunk of my paycheck in once), but that was removed for a
reason. Minitokyo is a first and foremost a community that focuses on
2-dimensional Japanese media through exchange, whether it be in the form of
artwork, wallpapers, scans, reviews, or discussions. In fact, a donation for the
sole purpose of being able to download more wallpapers and scans really isn't a
donation at all. What you are doing in clicking on the PayPal link is
essentially purchasing artwork from the site.
Minitokyo is not about profit. For Sheqel and the moderator staff, working to
make Minitokyo the best community it can be is something we do on a voluntary
basis simply because we love the community. As such we are wary of the idea of
accepting payment to allow access to artwork, especially when there is no
logistically feasible nor objective method of passing the money on to the people
who really deserve it, namely the artists whose contributions make this
community possible in the first place. Therefore, from a ideological standpoint,
donations are a bit hard to stomach.
Some may argue that the donations are to help pay for hosting the site itself.
Certainly, keeping Minitokyo running is an expensive endeavor, but paying for
server fees is what the advertisements are here for, and at least for now it
seems as if those advertisments are covering the costs of the site. Therefore,
from a practical standpoint, donations are not necessary either.
For these reasons and others, we no longer accept donations on Minitokyo,
something that is unlikely to change in the future. Nevertheless, thank you for
your suggestion! If you have any further comments or concerns, please do not
hesitate to ask and we will see what we can do to be of assistance. In the
meantime, go forth, participate, and enjoy what Minitokyo has to offer!
Sincerely,
shinsengumi, on behalf of the Minitokyo Moderator Staff
I feel like I got beaten to the punch, but I'll toss in $0.02 anyways.
I feel you on wanting to donate; I posted once in Sheqel's guestbook suggesting
the same thing and he ignored it.
But basically Shin has a point. To put it another way, accepting monetary
donations for more downloads amounts to selling credits. If someone spends 10+
hours slaving away to make a beautiful wallpaper and eventually gets 40 credits
for it, then I toss in a $5 Paypal donation to "buy" 40 credits,
you're basically telling that "someone" that their time and artistic
talent and effort is worth 50 cents an hour, and that their work is being
basically sold to pay for bandwidth space when that wasn't their intent at all.
They'd be pretty insulted, and I wouldn't blame them. That's why we're not doing
it.
As far as submitting stuff, there's many people that do quite well submitting
scans they find on moeboard/4chan, etc. Just make sure they're not wallpapers or
doujins if you go that route. Cheers!
P.S. I bookmarked your blog page Some
interesting points in there.
Thanks for the well thought out replies. I understand the value of time. I
certainly value the time you people took to reply to my post, and the time it
takes to create a good wallpaper.
"essentially purchasing artwork" + "50 cents an hour"
If I purchase credits instead of acquiring credits in other manners I am not
purchasing the artwork. How I spend the credits would be no different than
anyone else. In no way (unless the donation agreement was written as such) would
I have any more right to the works than others. I am not sure how contributing
through money is more insulting to the artists than leeching without
contribution.
"participate ... by commenting ..."
You are right I failed to mention this method of gaining credits. In the short
time I browsed the threads I saw a common complaint from active members who felt
they recieved little to no credits from 'text based' activities.
However I did not imagine my idea was a new one. Honestly I was tyring to think
of a good (constructive) way to bump my credits from .0000002 to 1.0 so I can
upload a few renders I have. :-) I have a few artbooks I could rip through I
guess.
Thanks for the props on my blog 'somebodyelse'. It takes time to create those
posts full of links a few pictures and decent writing. Time, all it takes is
time...
Quote: If I purchase credits
instead of acquiring credits in other manners I am not purchasing the artwork.
How I spend the credits would be no different than anyone else. In no way
(unless the donation agreement was written as such) would I have any more right
to the works than others. I am not sure how contributing through money is more
insulting to the artists than leeching without
contribution.
There is no realistic mechanism to give the money to the artists. Yet by
allowing a member to donate some money in order to gain many more downloads is
indeed purchasing the artists' artwork because it is the financial exchange of
money for a product. Yet because the original producer of the products gain
nothing, and they did not intend for their work to be exchanged for money, to do
so would be detrimental to the notion of a free, open online art
community.
If you purchase MT credits with money, then it is purchasing the artwork because
downloading artwork is what credits are used for. Certainly, you also need
credits to submit artwork or create groups, but the most important use of
credits is to download. So if you purchase the method of allowing a download, then it is for all intents and
purposes the same as purchasing the download itself. Again, that harms the sense
of a free and open community.
Even more importantly, allowing members to donate for more downloads is unfair.
Not all members have their own money. We have many young members, 11 or 12 years
old, who do not have the financial resources except maybe ask their parents for
money. We also have members who come from financially challenged backgrounds.
Yet they are also equal members because having real money has no bearing on MT
membership. If we allow some to gain more download by paying real money, these
other members are left in the dust to continue their regular participation to
gain those same downloads. To promote the equal opportunity for all members
here, we cannot let the "rich-in-real-life" members to gain more
downloads because real money has no correlation with the activities conducted
here at Minitokyo.
What if I call it paying my fines since I don't have the 'artists get out of
jail free' card? :P Though somehow I don't think that analogy will go over too
well with the staff.
I get the basic idea you guys are trying to convey "your time is worth more
to us then your money". But the same is true for many people who
"leech" here; parting with a few dollars to download quickly without
worry about a tumbling credit balance is far preferable to wasting hours of time
composing posts in the forums and comments that earn absolutely nothing for us.
11-12 year olds visiting here probably have the time to do so, compared to
people who do have enough money to donate. If you don't have money, odds are you
have time, if you don't have time, odds are you have money. If you want to talk
of being fair, what about the people who only have the time to do a quick once
over the gallery every day or two, you can browse and collect all 20-30 of the
interesting submissions posted in the gallery over the course of a day in less
then 15 minutes if the server can keep up. When I am working, 15-20 minutes a
day is about all the time I can spare to check a site like MT, most of the time
I would only check MT on weekends. Is it so unfair to buy something in exchange
for the time that I absolutely can not afford? Right now it is unfair to people
who can appreciate the art just as much as someone who can surf here all day but
have jobs and responsibilities that don't give them the luxury of a huge credit
supply.
Quote by kirpraq5 wall limit sucks, they
need to bring back the 30 limit
Pardon me, but I could not help but notice the follow statistic about
you:
Duration of membership: 25 weeks 5
days
Participation
Gallery Comments
1
Forum Post
13
Guestbook Entries
0
Groups Comments
2
Review Comments
0
I respectfully must remind you that MT will not be a place to cater to those
people who do nothing but download.
Now, regarding time vs money. You make a very valid argument that there are
those who have little time but lots of money. You also again bring to attention
flaws in the current credit system with respect to what earns credit and what
does not. Nonetheless, to accept real money in exchange for downloads is not, we
believe, a legitimate way to solve the concerns regarding downloads and
credits.
To address these concerns, we are currently discussing several reforms to the
credit scheme to provide a more balanced way to earn credits to all members,
artists or not.
I wonder, why would you find it easy to contribute your money to this site to
purchase credits, when you instead could be saving to get that scanner or
whatever you need. You could use that scanner then to scan in your own artwork,
or pictures you find in your own collection of anime and manga's. I KNOW I am a
leech...but I have found means to contribute as well to cover my leechy ways.
Simply adding your 2 cents in to forum's like this helps you get on your way. I
search out image boards for quality scans that I haven't seen here then I upload
them to share with the minitokyo community. I think 10 free downloads would
suffice a little better, but it's not my call I'll just go the way the wind
blows =)
Quote by flukeI wonder, why would you find
it easy to contribute your money to this site to purchase credits, when you
instead could be saving to get that scanner or whatever you need. You could use
that scanner then to scan in your own artwork, or pictures you find in your own
collection of anime and manga's. I KNOW I am a leech...but I have found means to
contribute as well to cover my leechy ways. Simply adding your 2 cents in to
forum's like this helps you get on your way. I search out image boards for
quality scans that I haven't seen here then I upload them to share with the
minitokyo community. I think 10 free downloads would suffice a little better,
but it's not my call I'll just go the way the wind blows
=)
That is a good point except not everyone has a scanner or the money to get one.
Many people also don't have anime artbooks or manga. Even if they did there is
still the problem that it had been submitted already
Well I guess I meant if he was willing to contribute, he/she should just save
the contribution,and save towards purchasing a scanner. Or scour the imageboards
to find some never before seen anime/manga like I do...but I suppose the con to
that would be, not everyone spends as much time watching anime, reading manga
and playing on the internet as I do. =) So they might not have that much
time...oh well, hehe Just a thought.
Which brings you right back to the time vs money debate.
Ahh well, It is re-assuring to know that the staff is working on it, I won't
expect quick results given the nature of the issues, but as long as they keep
working on the system I can deal with the bumps along the road.
Suppose if you can spend that much time as a working young adult to surf the net
looking for rare pics on imageboards to post here with uncertainty it will ever
be favored lest you have a bloody long list of watchers (and your scan being of
the ecchi genre or similiar to) which can earn you favs in exchange for credits,
would you do that?
I know I don't, I surf Imageboards every now and then to see something good, and
good images come by rarely. (in fact, most of the time, I am at /b/ arguing with
idiots on stupid issues, some would know what I mean)
On topic wise, in exchange for money, one gets readily available quality source
of artwork, it is a means to trade the operation of the site for its
fruits.
Let me put it this way.
Donator -> Donates money
Money -> goes to the site (keeps it running)
Donator receives credit rewards
Donator receive download benefits (for helping the community in another way)
Artists contribute in another matter.
I think technically, if one overlooks the ideals, the practical aspect of
donations is actually very feasible, especially for young adults and working
adults with little time to spend on this passion, and still wishes to embrace
it, it is a welcome relieve of stress on them regarding the download limits.
EFFING GOSH DARNIT! I had a well formed reply and thought, "gee i wonder if
clicking 'go advanced' will give me some options to improve my post". it
improved my post allright... DELETED!
Quote by reddoggEFFING GOSH DARNIT! I had
a well formed reply and thought, "gee i wonder if clicking 'go advanced'
will give me some options to improve my post". it improved my post
allright... DELETED!
:-(
I feel your pain! That post so made me laugh. And though I agree with the mods
in that the donation system doesn't really equal credits, I feel your pain on
that too - or at least used to. If you
contribute a critique to all of the things that you download that will give you
some credits. That's how I've gained most of mine over the years, and now I
don't really worry about depleating anymore. So that would be a suggestion on
how you could be a contributor to the site.
You know thinking more deeply on this subject...if you aren't an artist, and you
aren't using the scans you get here at minitokyo for making wallpapers or
something else artistic...what do you need the pictures for? I will speak for
myself personally...I dont make wallpapers...yet...I do like to make homemade
alternate dvd covers for my animes that I own. I do enjoy that very much and I
use the scans that I find here for my own purposes. So I guess my question is,
what do you need the scans for if not for an artistic reason? Cause if you just
"want" them...there are MANY other places to get ahold of quality
pictures, you just have to look.
Hello I am french, and I don't speak very well english so can't "participe
by commenting on gallery items, participating in discussions, and writing
reviews."
It's hard, I can't exprime my idees, so I can't participe. Just write
"nice, good, wow, ...."
Now I have just 5 Free Download Quota. So what can I do to download more pics
?
Please help me.
Quote by DevildudeOn topic wise, in
exchange for money, one gets readily available quality source of artwork, it is
a means to trade the operation of the site for its fruits.
I
believe that I already addressed this point on my first response to this thread.
Minitokyo currently does not accept donations and is unlikely to do so in the
future barring unforeseen circumstances.
Honestly, many of the concerns raised in this thread as a whole are valid. In
many ways I'm in the same boat as reddog and many other members in that I have
very little artistic ability and therefore I can see why you feel that the deck
may be stacked against you on Minitokyo. The bottom line, however, is that the
credits system can be tweaked until we reach an optimal set of costs and
payments, and due to both discussions among members of the moderator staff and
through input by members such as that present in this thread, we are currently
working on figuring out how best to tweak the current credit system to better
reflect the conditions on Mintokyo.
It's nice to see someone completely understand me "I think technically, if
one overlooks the ideals, the practical aspect of donations is actually very
feasible, especially for young adults and working adults with little time to
spend on this passion, and still wishes to embrace it, it is a welcome relieve
of stress on them regarding the download limits."
In summary my understanding is: Minitokyo is an artists community in where the
credit currency is earned through contribution methods other than money. Casual
visitors are given a method to download items that often encourages a conversion
to a higher level of activity.
I am a Minitokyo leech.
Technically this statement is correct. I might try to find a few scans or renders that I have collected and contribute them, however I will likely work within the 5 free download quota. Creating wallpapers is not a skill of mine and I dont have a scanner. This means I have no way to conribute within the parameters of the Minitokyo community.
How about a financial contribution? At this point I am on my way over to AnimePaper.net to donate ~$6USD to gain less limited access to the wallpapers, scans and other beautiful art there. I would be willing to make a similar contribution to Minitokyo, but alas, there does not seem to be such a mechanism.
What do you think about a pay pal solution for those of us who enjoy the art and are willing to contribute a small ammount of money for access?
--reddogg
reddogg.com
reddogg, your comments about not being able to contribute are not entirely true. You can still participate (and gain credits) by commenting on gallery items, participating in discussions, and writing reviews.
The idea of a donation certainly is tempting, but it really is not what Minitokyo is about. In fact, there used to be a PayPal donation link (I know, because I tossed a chunk of my paycheck in once), but that was removed for a reason. Minitokyo is a first and foremost a community that focuses on 2-dimensional Japanese media through exchange, whether it be in the form of artwork, wallpapers, scans, reviews, or discussions. In fact, a donation for the sole purpose of being able to download more wallpapers and scans really isn't a donation at all. What you are doing in clicking on the PayPal link is essentially purchasing artwork from the site.
Minitokyo is not about profit. For Sheqel and the moderator staff, working to make Minitokyo the best community it can be is something we do on a voluntary basis simply because we love the community. As such we are wary of the idea of accepting payment to allow access to artwork, especially when there is no logistically feasible nor objective method of passing the money on to the people who really deserve it, namely the artists whose contributions make this community possible in the first place. Therefore, from a ideological standpoint, donations are a bit hard to stomach.
Some may argue that the donations are to help pay for hosting the site itself. Certainly, keeping Minitokyo running is an expensive endeavor, but paying for server fees is what the advertisements are here for, and at least for now it seems as if those advertisments are covering the costs of the site. Therefore, from a practical standpoint, donations are not necessary either.
For these reasons and others, we no longer accept donations on Minitokyo, something that is unlikely to change in the future. Nevertheless, thank you for your suggestion! If you have any further comments or concerns, please do not hesitate to ask and we will see what we can do to be of assistance. In the meantime, go forth, participate, and enjoy what Minitokyo has to offer!
Sincerely,
shinsengumi, on behalf of the Minitokyo Moderator Staff
Howdy reddogg!
I feel like I got beaten to the punch, but I'll toss in $0.02 anyways.
I feel you on wanting to donate; I posted once in Sheqel's guestbook suggesting the same thing and he ignored it.
But basically Shin has a point. To put it another way, accepting monetary donations for more downloads amounts to selling credits. If someone spends 10+ hours slaving away to make a beautiful wallpaper and eventually gets 40 credits for it, then I toss in a $5 Paypal donation to "buy" 40 credits, you're basically telling that "someone" that their time and artistic talent and effort is worth 50 cents an hour, and that their work is being basically sold to pay for bandwidth space when that wasn't their intent at all. They'd be pretty insulted, and I wouldn't blame them. That's why we're not doing it.
As far as submitting stuff, there's many people that do quite well submitting scans they find on moeboard/4chan, etc. Just make sure they're not wallpapers or doujins if you go that route. Cheers!
P.S. I bookmarked your blog page
Some
interesting points in there.
Thanks for the well thought out replies. I understand the value of time. I certainly value the time you people took to reply to my post, and the time it takes to create a good wallpaper.
"essentially purchasing artwork" + "50 cents an hour"
If I purchase credits instead of acquiring credits in other manners I am not purchasing the artwork. How I spend the credits would be no different than anyone else. In no way (unless the donation agreement was written as such) would I have any more right to the works than others. I am not sure how contributing through money is more insulting to the artists than leeching without contribution.
"participate ... by commenting ..."
You are right I failed to mention this method of gaining credits. In the short time I browsed the threads I saw a common complaint from active members who felt they recieved little to no credits from 'text based' activities.
However I did not imagine my idea was a new one. Honestly I was tyring to think of a good (constructive) way to bump my credits from .0000002 to 1.0 so I can upload a few renders I have. :-) I have a few artbooks I could rip through I guess.
Thanks for the props on my blog 'somebodyelse'. It takes time to create those posts full of links a few pictures and decent writing. Time, all it takes is time...
There is no realistic mechanism to give the money to the artists. Yet by allowing a member to donate some money in order to gain many more downloads is indeed purchasing the artists' artwork because it is the financial exchange of money for a product. Yet because the original producer of the products gain nothing, and they did not intend for their work to be exchanged for money, to do so would be detrimental to the notion of a free, open online art community.
If you purchase MT credits with money, then it is purchasing the artwork because downloading artwork is what credits are used for. Certainly, you also need credits to submit artwork or create groups, but the most important use of credits is to download. So if you purchase the method of allowing a download, then it is for all intents and purposes the same as purchasing the download itself. Again, that harms the sense of a free and open community.
Even more importantly, allowing members to donate for more downloads is unfair. Not all members have their own money. We have many young members, 11 or 12 years old, who do not have the financial resources except maybe ask their parents for money. We also have members who come from financially challenged backgrounds. Yet they are also equal members because having real money has no bearing on MT membership. If we allow some to gain more download by paying real money, these other members are left in the dust to continue their regular participation to gain those same downloads. To promote the equal opportunity for all members here, we cannot let the "rich-in-real-life" members to gain more downloads because real money has no correlation with the activities conducted here at Minitokyo.
I hope that helps clear things up some more.
What if I call it paying my fines since I don't have the 'artists get out of jail free' card? :P Though somehow I don't think that analogy will go over too well with the staff.
I get the basic idea you guys are trying to convey "your time is worth more to us then your money". But the same is true for many people who "leech" here; parting with a few dollars to download quickly without worry about a tumbling credit balance is far preferable to wasting hours of time composing posts in the forums and comments that earn absolutely nothing for us. 11-12 year olds visiting here probably have the time to do so, compared to people who do have enough money to donate. If you don't have money, odds are you have time, if you don't have time, odds are you have money. If you want to talk of being fair, what about the people who only have the time to do a quick once over the gallery every day or two, you can browse and collect all 20-30 of the interesting submissions posted in the gallery over the course of a day in less then 15 minutes if the server can keep up. When I am working, 15-20 minutes a day is about all the time I can spare to check a site like MT, most of the time I would only check MT on weekends. Is it so unfair to buy something in exchange for the time that I absolutely can not afford? Right now it is unfair to people who can appreciate the art just as much as someone who can surf here all day but have jobs and responsibilities that don't give them the luxury of a huge credit supply.
5 wall limit sucks, they need to bring back the 30 limit
Pardon me, but I could not help but notice the follow statistic about you:
Duration of membership: 25 weeks 5 days
Participation
Gallery Comments
1
Forum Post
13
Guestbook Entries
0
Groups Comments
2
Review Comments
0
I respectfully must remind you that MT will not be a place to cater to those people who do nothing but download.
Now, regarding time vs money. You make a very valid argument that there are those who have little time but lots of money. You also again bring to attention flaws in the current credit system with respect to what earns credit and what does not. Nonetheless, to accept real money in exchange for downloads is not, we believe, a legitimate way to solve the concerns regarding downloads and credits.
To address these concerns, we are currently discussing several reforms to the credit scheme to provide a more balanced way to earn credits to all members, artists or not.
I wonder, why would you find it easy to contribute your money to this site to purchase credits, when you instead could be saving to get that scanner or whatever you need. You could use that scanner then to scan in your own artwork, or pictures you find in your own collection of anime and manga's. I KNOW I am a leech...but I have found means to contribute as well to cover my leechy ways. Simply adding your 2 cents in to forum's like this helps you get on your way. I search out image boards for quality scans that I haven't seen here then I upload them to share with the minitokyo community. I think 10 free downloads would suffice a little better, but it's not my call I'll just go the way the wind blows =)
That is a good point except not everyone has a scanner or the money to get one. Many people also don't have anime artbooks or manga. Even if they did there is still the problem that it had been submitted already
Well I guess I meant if he was willing to contribute, he/she should just save the contribution,and save towards purchasing a scanner. Or scour the imageboards to find some never before seen anime/manga like I do...but I suppose the con to that would be, not everyone spends as much time watching anime, reading manga and playing on the internet as I do. =) So they might not have that much time...oh well, hehe Just a thought.
Which brings you right back to the time vs money debate.
Ahh well, It is re-assuring to know that the staff is working on it, I won't expect quick results given the nature of the issues, but as long as they keep working on the system I can deal with the bumps along the road.
Suppose if you can spend that much time as a working young adult to surf the net looking for rare pics on imageboards to post here with uncertainty it will ever be favored lest you have a bloody long list of watchers (and your scan being of the ecchi genre or similiar to) which can earn you favs in exchange for credits, would you do that?
I know I don't, I surf Imageboards every now and then to see something good, and good images come by rarely. (in fact, most of the time, I am at /b/ arguing with idiots on stupid issues, some would know what I mean)
On topic wise, in exchange for money, one gets readily available quality source of artwork, it is a means to trade the operation of the site for its fruits.
Let me put it this way.
Donator -> Donates money
Money -> goes to the site (keeps it running)
Donator receives credit rewards
Donator receive download benefits (for helping the community in another way)
Artists contribute in another matter.
I think technically, if one overlooks the ideals, the practical aspect of donations is actually very feasible, especially for young adults and working adults with little time to spend on this passion, and still wishes to embrace it, it is a welcome relieve of stress on them regarding the download limits.
EFFING GOSH DARNIT! I had a well formed reply and thought, "gee i wonder if clicking 'go advanced' will give me some options to improve my post". it improved my post allright... DELETED!
:-(
I feel your pain! That post so made me laugh. And though I agree with the mods in that the donation system doesn't really equal credits, I feel your pain on that too - or at least used to. If you contribute a critique to all of the things that you download that will give you some credits. That's how I've gained most of mine over the years, and now I don't really worry about depleating anymore. So that would be a suggestion on how you could be a contributor to the site.
You know thinking more deeply on this subject...if you aren't an artist, and you aren't using the scans you get here at minitokyo for making wallpapers or something else artistic...what do you need the pictures for? I will speak for myself personally...I dont make wallpapers...yet...I do like to make homemade alternate dvd covers for my animes that I own. I do enjoy that very much and I use the scans that I find here for my own purposes. So I guess my question is, what do you need the scans for if not for an artistic reason? Cause if you just "want" them...there are MANY other places to get ahold of quality pictures, you just have to look.
Hello I am french, and I don't speak very well english so can't "participe by commenting on gallery items, participating in discussions, and writing reviews."
It's hard, I can't exprime my idees, so I can't participe. Just write "nice, good, wow, ...."
Now I have just 5 Free Download Quota. So what can I do to download more pics ?
Please help me.
I believe that I already addressed this point on my first response to this thread. Minitokyo currently does not accept donations and is unlikely to do so in the future barring unforeseen circumstances.
Honestly, many of the concerns raised in this thread as a whole are valid. In many ways I'm in the same boat as reddog and many other members in that I have very little artistic ability and therefore I can see why you feel that the deck may be stacked against you on Minitokyo. The bottom line, however, is that the credits system can be tweaked until we reach an optimal set of costs and payments, and due to both discussions among members of the moderator staff and through input by members such as that present in this thread, we are currently working on figuring out how best to tweak the current credit system to better reflect the conditions on Mintokyo.
It's nice to see someone completely understand me "I think technically, if one overlooks the ideals, the practical aspect of donations is actually very feasible, especially for young adults and working adults with little time to spend on this passion, and still wishes to embrace it, it is a welcome relieve of stress on them regarding the download limits."
In summary my understanding is: Minitokyo is an artists community in where the credit currency is earned through contribution methods other than money. Casual visitors are given a method to download items that often encourages a conversion to a higher level of activity.
--reddogg
reddogg.com