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Lenin
“Religion is a kind of spiritual gin in which the slaves of capital drown their human shape and their claims to any decent life.Ã¢â‚¬Âť

Religion dulls the pain caused by oppression.

It does nothing to solve the problem; it is a bad attempt to make life more bearable.
1. Salvation from bondage and misery by promised after-life
2. Promises people will be rewarded for their virtue
3. Offers hope of supernatural intervention to solve problems on earth
4. Often justifies social order and a persons place within it

Helps people at the bottom accept their situation.

Karl Marx
As an “opiate of the people,Ã¢â‚¬Âť Marx recognized that religion served a true function in society Ã¢â‚¬â€ś but did not agree with the foundation of that function. As Marx commentator Norman Birnbaum stated, to Marx, “religion [was] a spiritual response to a condition of alienation.Ã¢â‚¬Âť (Ibid 126) Responding to alienation, Marx thought that religion served to uphold the ideologies and cultural systems that foster oppressive capitalism. Thus, “Religion was conceived to be a powerful conservative force that served to perpetuate the domination of one social class at the expense of others.Ã¢â‚¬Âť (Ibid 127). In other words, religion held together the system that oppressed lowerÃ¢â‚¬â€śclass individuals. And so, in Marx’s infamous words, “To abolish religion as the illusory happiness of the people is to demand their real happiness. The demand to give up illusions about the existing state of affairs to the demand to give up a state of affairs which needs illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in embryo the criticism of the vale of tears, the halo of which is religion.Ã¢â‚¬Âť

Sigmund Freud
Believing in religion: pathological manifestation of a person's psyche
Distorted understanding between self and the environment (developed since childhood)
When encountered limitaions or difficulties, they look for a super being to resolve problems

Damn right! Screw religion!

are there light left in hearts?

i feel sooo sorry for you poeple . you've already lost you'r brain to say something like that . just how bad humans can get ?

I don't think it is the religion that hurts people rather the limitations that come with it. My religion is so free even if it doesn't seem that way with all of the requirements that must be upheld within or the chance of me leaving this nothing realm slims up and vanishes completely. And that my loves is scarier than all of hell put together.

Quite a few of these ideas are kinda archaic in nature. They are good points from certain standpoints but are not applicable overall. Why? A religion is merely a group of individuals who belive in the same God in the same general way. The institution of religion (being what Marx was commenting on) is a rigidly governed orgnization. Therefore I believe religion itself is a good thing but the institutions could use some work.

Quote by irperson"3. Offers hope of supernatural intervention to solve problems on earth" and "When encountered limitaions or difficulties, they look for a super being to resolve problems"

As to these, it is unfortunately true to a certain extent. There are far too many people out there who do want the easy way out. This has less to do with religion than with human desire to get more for less.

we must not trust for those "religion's liars.

Nothing can stop us to find real truth our religion by our hardwork..

Religion has not necessarily contributed to the evils of the world, but it hasn't contributed to any necessary good either. Religion has been distorted into a political game with the intent of "saving'" as many souls as possible. Throughout the years, religion has been used as a tool to gain obedience from the populace. Just look at the Christian Crusades, these were all in the aims of political and territorial gain using relgion as an excuse. The world revolves around politics. Politics is a living thing which decides the path the world goes about. Leaders come and go, politics moulds them and the future generation. Religion was never meant to be an extreme form of dedication or worship. It has been distorted through the path of the world and politics. One must remember religion for what it really is: A way of life which promotes and encourages what society and humanity views as "morally upright".

Not all religions are that bad jusst mainly Chirsianty and Islam have limited rules and have dammaged the world. I watched a special on the crusades recently on the history channel and the christian crusaders actualy decided to eat everyone in the town after having killed them! Western and middleeastern religion has create neumerous problems in the world. The cathlic church said the world was flat and excommunicated anyone who said other wise. The religous system is one of closed mindednes not one of open midedness. But people have the right to belive what they bbelive, though If I could make the world over religion would not be present.

Religion was never meant to go onto the path it currently is on. It is a WAY OF LIFE. The problem is that politics along with various intepretations of Holy Texts has lead to the creation of fanatics and Zealots such as the Islamic extremists today and the Christian Crusaders. It is with the fanatics that the negative side of religion is displayed. One must remember that there must be a balance in all things. The world is not divided into good and evil, rather, evil is our ignorance of what is truly divine.

The word Demon, comes from Greek "daimon" translating to "divine".

The reason why people belive in religion theisim is because they want an aswer that specificly fits to their likes and wants. It is something that was made up a long time ago in the human mind, everyone wants to feel they have answers to something even i do at time, but no we shoulkldn't fool ourselves it will only devolve the human race. Havean was created to make people feel there is a better place that people don't have to work for and will magicaly get.

With the way certain peopel interpit the reading you can up with excuses to do alot of stuff which can cause problems to me.

Why we should say religion is bad to us? Since we're born, we had learned that religion as a guide to a better living. Most religions tought us good attitudes in many aspects, prevent doing bad manners, and also learn to communicate with surroundings in right ways. However, some issues which mostly been discussed was about "After-Life" and "Super-Natural Beings" (Exception to Hindus...or some religions...). Most people who didn't care about their religions always make a great mistake by abandoned the beliefs of these two.

"After-Life" is what is said to be the highest achievements among believers is actually an unknown environment which is a place for us to continue our life after we dead, regarding to what we have done in the real world. Most religions believe there are two places which we would go after our death: "Heaven" for those who done most good deeds in the real-life, and "Hell" for the opposite side for those who would go to heaven. That's why people were tought to make good deeds so people could live happily in 'Heaven' as a reward of what they had done in life. Unfortunately, there are no scientific discoveries of these two exists. That's why some people were confused with the existence of these two. If you don't believe of "After-Life" then try to answer this: Where have you been before you're inside your mother's womb?

Okay, Let us say a group of scientists or explorers have found places known as "Heaven" or "Hell". Then the scientists also met someone who claimed himself as "God", who is The Superior and The Creator of The Universe.T hen the whole world know the existence of the places. However, God has give a condition to enter those places: If thou do good morales between each other, then after you dead, thou may go to Heaven, on the other hand, thou'll go to Hell. Later, people would never being afraid if they will go to Heaven or not, or even afraid of the God's wrath. Some would say: "Ah, God was at (the God's home), He wouldn't see us rape a girl", "Don't worry, if God sees you, just make good and he'll give a credit to Heaven", "Hey, the fire in the Hell wasn't so hot anyway", "How about we live in front of the Heaven? We could die easily" (Oh, my. I feel insulted to say these things.....)

That is the 'miracle', why God don't let us see the "Heaven", "Hell" and Himself.

Meanwhile, "Super-Natural Beings" was known as "an unknown alien (this is not about astronomical, please serious) race or things which also exists in the real world but unable to be seen, feeled, etc by human senses". We sometimes always heard such thing like 'exorcism', 'invicible entities', etc. but these cases can't be proved by scientific devices. But, in some cases, it is possible to detect these unknowing entities by scientific discoveries such as abnormal lights, weird sounds and changing heats. In 'exorcism' case, let us say a human which have been possesed by a ghost, demon, etc. He/She would do weird things; do something which is out of a normal human limit, freaking voices, and total personality change. How could this happened? Sudden brain damage because of long bad food diet? Body disfunction? Influenced by electronic devices? But to solve this matter: Read prayers or do religious methods. Moreover, there are cases where some special people which are 'granted' to see these invicible entities or do abnormal abilities. This can be a proof that these "Super-Natural Beings" were exists. Why should we always depend to scientific gadgets and utilities just to see ghosts exists?

Well, there many abnormal cases around the world people couldn't solve, don't they?

but this invisible are real.

Religion is good, it creates sheep from the masses. ^_^

Quote by mechaboy143Why we should say religion is bad to us? Since we're born, we had learned that religion as a guide to a better living. Most religions tought us good attitudes in many aspects, prevent doing bad manners, and also learn to communicate with surroundings in right ways.

This is true of quite a few religions. However in what are termed as extremist sects these teachings can basically become kill everyone different from your beliefs beacuse we are god's holy warriors. So you kinda have to look at both ways.
That being said its still not the religions fault. Fault always has, currently does, and alway will reside in the hands of individuals. Religion is merely an influence not a cause.

Quote by sulibresReligion was never meant to go onto the path it currently is on. It is a WAY OF LIFE. The problem is that politics along with various intepretations of Holy Texts has lead to the creation of fanatics and Zealots such as the Islamic extremists today and the Christian Crusaders.

Well, look at it this way; what drives people to pervert what they are told, witness, or experience. Its basically boils down to a need for power and well to state the oft quoted phrase; "Power can corrupt and absolute power can corrupt absolutely" (and extremists demand to know why they can't be in control or why the government must remain secular *rolls eyes*).

I am proud of having no religion! For some reason everything seems irreal for me and I don´t believe in god or stuff like this.
I wouldn´t say religion is bad but since I am a person who do not care about it better not listen to me!^^

Quote by jasaiyajinReligion is good, it creates sheep from the masses. ^_^

To create sheep from the masses, you don't need religion. But it helps.

People have always had the urge to create something greater than themselves.
Believing in a religion of any kind seems to be natural. I guess this is caused by people's inner insecurity which makes them seek for external structures to
believe in. Indeed there are people that gain hope and strength through their
belief. So I don't think religion is generally bad, but it can be dangerous if it
becomes an ideology in order to manipulate people.
I myself have the feeling that there is way more than i can understand,
however, I don't try to press it into any religious pattern.
Finally there is noone who really believes in nothing.

Schiffus

who is anyone can solve this puzzle.

invisible is real, empiric is apparent/fatamorgana, rational is abstract ?

i'm tired today so i havent gone throught all the post but i will answer the one posted as the first by irperson:
Religion is indeed something made to help ppl, not restrict ppl...

However, if it doesnt restrict ppl, it will be too free and some extreme ppl may go out of control like killing becoz the religion didnt state so....(fanatics are the worse kind of ppl, arent they?

however that is not it, i believe religion should be something to help us archieve something, not something permanent... like helping us as a code of conduct, not as a law of nature that we have to obey... but then after that, we have to live through our strenghtened soul, not through religion.... like when we feel really depressed and need mental support, it is ok to pray or meditate or something... but then, we have to learn how to cope with the depression and learn to adapt to it...

that is wat i think religions should be....
Wanna make a point that a lot of Christians are too limited by their religion, and do not really live their lives by themselves (can you actually believe that most of them actually do good things just to go to heaven? it should be that we do good things becoz we feel obliged to or its part of our nature)....
but this is not only Christianity alone... but I haven't really understood other religions so I can really give good facts nor examples on how believers of other religions work....

To add in something on why religions may be bad is because of misinterpretations that occur.... ppl always says their religion is good and stuff... i would agree... but wat about misinterpretation that leads to bad action or behaviour, like fanatics' riots and stuff.... these are all caused by misinterpreting the teachings of a religion, but is it still the religion's fault?

ppl say no... but i think the correct answer is yes... due to the fact that the religions' teaching actually cause the misinterpretation due to the unclarity of the teachings....

my 20 cents

Quote by RubyDrg0n

i believe religion should be something to help us archieve something, not something permanent... like helping us as a code of conduct, not as a law of nature that we have to obey... but then after that, we have to live through our strenghtened soul, not through religion.... like when we feel really depressed and need mental support, it is ok to pray or meditate or something... but then, we have to learn how to cope with the depression and learn to adapt to it...

that is wat i think religions should be....

That's pretty much what God wants it to be as well - as evident in the Bible.

Quote: Wanna make a point that a lot of Christians are too limited by their religion, and do not really live their lives by themselves (can you actually believe that most of them actually do good things just to go to heaven? it should be that we do good things becoz we feel obliged to or its part of our nature)....

Jesus agrees with you here that we shouldn't do good just because we want a reward but because it's the Good in us. I would disagree that "most" Christians do good things just to get into heaven. This is a gross exaggeration.

Quote: To add in something on why religions may be bad is because of misinterpretations that occur.... ppl always says their religion is good and stuff... i would agree... but wat about misinterpretation that leads to bad action or behaviour, like fanatics' riots and stuff.... these are all caused by misinterpreting the teachings of a religion, but is it still the religion's fault?

ppl say no... but i think the correct answer is yes... due to the fact that the religions' teaching actually cause the misinterpretation due to the unclarity of the teachings....

Of course we can agree that some people misinterpret the Text which results in others doing he same. However, it is not the Text's fault. If my accountant who does my taxes for me does something illegal, either intentionally or unintentionally, by misinterpreting the tax laws of this country, and my tax return is audited, I cannot say to the IRS (Interal Revenue Service) "It's not my fault or my accountants. It's your fault for making a law difficult to interpret." They'd laugh. At some point, people need to take responsibility for themselves instead of playing the victim and pointing the finger at everyone else.

religion......it depends on how you interpret it though. it's becaues of we humans that we created in religion in the first place... to believe in something when the time was criticial to them. i believe that religion isn't that good or that bad. it's just something we need to be secure i guess.... hmm... religion i believe is a path to guide us humans in what to do however, if it's radical or extreme then in my pov, it leads to something drastic... that's what am afraid of.

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religion......it depends on how you interpret it though. it's becaues of we humans that we created in religion in the first place... to believe in something when the time was criticial to them. i believe that religion isn't that good or that bad. it's just something we need to be secure i guess.... hmm... religion i believe is a path to guide us humans in what to do however, if it's radical or extreme then in my pov, it leads to something drastic... that's what i am afraid of.

but uncertainty on everything after die (because knowledge and every preparation for the worst are..NONE!), that is someone afraid of.

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