Upsetting a lot of people, I just wanted to say...

What's up with all the bad attitude, woe-is-me, victim mentality, "I want to kill myself" crap here?

Let's be honest. If life is so bad that you need to write some long diatribe about it, you should instead be spending your energies working the problems in your life, not spouting about how bad you have it. It's far easier to correct a small error early than to correct a large error later. If life sucks so much, seek real help, don't just whine about it.

There. I've said it. Now go work on being happy.

Well, blade, sometimes the problem could be solved, but we still have a grudge inside, because we had no one to share it with. And sometimes, just letting it out and seeing other people sharing our feelings make us feel better, which is why people post about these things here. I think that if you do not like what you see, then don't even bother visiting this forum; there are tons of other to post in.

This calls for Linkin Park music.
I guess cause there is a lamentations section for lamentations now nay?
some people like to keep journals, this is the same ideal I believe.

Well, I kinda agree, and kinda don't. You know those times where let's say people on a train get together and talk about stuff they wouldn't even tell their closest people? They get this feeling that they'll never see this guy again in their life so why not spill it out. Maybe people on MT get the same feeling. They want to know opinions, suggestions, and since this is an internet forum it makes the job 100 times more "comfortable"-you can't see those skinny arms and big turle-like eyeglasses.That last part was kindova joke. Don't worry. Be happy. )

I've seen stuff like this on four forums now, and I must say these few things...

Yes, it is rather annoying that people whine about it and feel like it's stupid about how everything's against them, etc., etc., but after they say that then people that feel bad for them will tell them that life won't change to meet them, they must change to meet life. A few people can realize that without other's help, but some people won't even realize that AFTER they've been told that. It just depends on where your mind is, really.

As Devildude already stated, this is the Lamentations Lounge... so all of those types of threads are more concentrated... Some people need to tell someone their problems before they can work on fixing it. By putting it all down in words/writing for others, this can sometimes help them better understand/straighten out their own thoughts. If it bothers/annoys you then you don't have to visit this part of the forum. (That's what I did for awhile... too much angst! )

Contrary to some beliefs, I don't think that I should avoid reading some of the things written in this "lounge". What my major point of contention is, is that, in general, your life won't get better just because you spout or write something. It takes real work, not just typing.

We all have bad days, weeks, etc. But truly happy and successful people understand that the counterbalance to sadness is happiness. It's worth working for.

So I encourage all those sad people who write their flowery, neurotic prose on MT, to calm down, go outside and breathe fresh air, work hard, make good choices in life, and start respecting those who are successes, rather than feeling envy and hatred for them.

Quote by S-a-c-h-i-e-lI've seen stuff like this on four forums now, and I must say these few things...

Yes, it is rather annoying that people whine about it and feel like it's stupid about how everything's against them, etc., etc., but after they say that then people that feel bad for them will tell them that life won't change to meet them, they must change to meet life. A few people can realize that without other's help, but some people won't even realize that AFTER they've been told that. It just depends on where your mind is, really.

And sometimes you just need somebody to talk with.
Ever tought about that?

Did you ever have when nobody listened to you?
When you couldn't say what you are thinking.
Thats why many people post stuff in this forum.

Sometimes it gets a little annoying to hear people whine about this sutff, then to read it online too, but some people need to have others tell them that life is okay and help them solve the rpoblem. Put yourself in their place, I mean if this was happening to you would you be like this? I mean my ex-friend's boyfriend just killed himself resently and we ended up having to tie her down to stop her from hurting herself, so instead of being mean to her like I usually am, I was nice and tried to calm her down, because I knew that if I was in her shoes, I'd do more than freak out and try to kill myself. So yeah, next time you think stuff like this is annoying then try to think about what you'd do in their shoes...

+~Tiger~+

Hey bart416, are you aware that I nearly committed suicide, contemplated drugs, and was absolutely dismal and felt I was worthless a year or two ago? I know about all that "try to find meaning in life" stuff, and no, nobody would listen to me. I had to work it all out myself, think things through myself, and not commit suicide without anyone saying "don't give up~!". So yes, I have thought about that and I am well aware of how it feels to have no one listen to you.

Well you are in the forum section that deals with depressing stuff like that. Pft it's just like going into a dress shop and demanding why all of the girly stuff?

Posting on this forum is an often cathartic experience for those who post here because they often find people who have gone through similar or worse experiences. It often helps to have a support group of peers who can sympathize with oneself's own grievances towards life & the world. If none of us had any of these problems and we all lived in a perfect world then this forum would be pointless and therefore un-necessary, now wouldn't it? I'll bet, Bladerunner2005, that even you have personal issues that you wish you could have talked to somebody about but kept them bottled up inside of you because you were certain no one would take your problems seriously and laugh at you derisively for having them. So before you start picking at the microscopic motes of sawdust in the eyes of other forum posters I strongly recommend you take a look in the mirror of you own inner self & pull out the humongous Sequoia Redwood tree out of your own eye, you Bloody HYPOCRITE! My two cents worth.

Yea, yea. Nice sawdust/tree thing. And yes, I've had personal issues, for which I've sought professional help and the support of my family. The problems were corrected, and today, I'm a much happier and vital influence on society. I wish I could say the same for those who choose to wallow in doubt and darkness. My choice was to fix what was wrong. It appears that some, and perhaps you, choose to bitch.

Oh, and... How do you know I'm a hypocrite? Assumptions? You don't know me, so STFU!

And you've overpriced your post...

I think that people feel better when they talk about their problems!
And this section is also useful for people that read it to know that they are not alone!
You realize that many people have trubles in their lives

I say let's all lament and solve at the same time Seriously speaking, I think this kind of stuff should come as an instinct---whining gets one no where, crying gets one nowhere, but thinking gets us somewhere. Seeing as we are human, I suppose it's only natural to at least confide in people (stranger or no stranger) about problems and then naturally solve them. To confide is to think---you're thinking what you're telling, so you might be solving at the same time. Do you get what I mean?

Wow love you're being offal cold towards people you actually have something in common with or had something in common with. One would expect sympathy and empathy and maybe even a few kind words of wisdom rather than a put down and labeling us as bitchers and whiners. You say that you are happy no longer being so tormented by what depresses so many of us and good for you. It takes a strong heart, mind, body and soul to be able to get past that, all of it, and not even have a little of what it was left behind. A true elder in this field of life...how about some advice like for example what you talked about in your sessions. You're obviously not eighty yet and were very lucky to have the support of your family unconditionally and without question...some people aren't that lucky and most of the people in here are not even twenty yet.

We don't know you yes but that doesn't mean love that you need to be so vulgar after all you are the one that posted a thread in forums that focuses on the troubles of every day life. I am happy that people can actually post in here and have their hurts read and helped through it if they find (in their eyes) no others that would really help them.

I too was in deep darkness but unlike you love I had to deal with it alone because no one understood my level or reason for being so depressed. I can also say that when I did seek help because I wasn't important enough they usually just looked the other way, rolled their eyes, and made it seem like I was the one bring hell to them just for asking for their help. I can't love or respect the humans but I can and do offer advice that allows my beloved fellow Otaku to get past all that they have been through and do it without hesitation, strings attached, and without a snooty superior attitude about it.

Don't think of me as bitching love but your actual posts say a lot about you without having us see you in person. You're strong...having lived though probably not the deepest realm and degree of hell and darkness that some of the others have been though so you feel it's okay to diss the hurting children of this site and forum and tell them that if they aren't strong now they ever will be. Sympathy and love...both of these are very strong and must be earned but there is nothing out there that says that they can't be given away without some price to be paid.

So soon you forget that everyone in the world is different and not all of us have lived for as long as you. Picture yourself back when you were younger...in your teens...and basically where some of we are right now. I'm sure there where people out there that pushed you in such a way that made you stronger...maybe even someone who acted the way that you are now or maybe not. Think back what would have been the worst thing someone could have said to you? Stop crying! You're being depressed for stupid reasons! If it's really that bad then go seek professional help! Doesn't and didn't feel really good huh? To me it says that even every day people, strangers on the street can so easily see my weakness and hurt that it should be obvious to me what should be done. It's never is love...hell is very personal. To one person a hurtful word or label would only pinch, prick, not even draw blood but for someone else the exact same insult can have such acid-like affects that even after receiving help...the scar will always remain.

My children...my loves...my fellow Otaku you are not along in your plight and there are those of us that do care, do love you, and are more than just willing to listen. I am one of these people and I can give you the advice that I learned myself if that is what you need. Among getting my book published it is one of the reasons I was put here in this world so whatever ails you I am here to help and so are so many others out there.

merged: 04-05-2006 ~ 03:59pm
A little side note…you’re also coming off as offal defensive when being called a hypocrite. Which tells me that you probably haven’t gotten past all that tormented you but then I could be wrong. *shrug*

- to JenosydesWhisperMatrix -

Boy, that's a long response to an otherwise relatively simple concept.

I've gotten a lot of heat over this, so let me explain:

I don't doubt that many of you feel some sort of pain, depression, or loss in this world. You and your circumstances may be so unique that sharing them here may appear as a first step towards recovery. The first step is always the toughest to take. But I can't, for the life of me, imagine an environment so bad and so impossible to escape from, that it creates the delusion that posting your troubles on an anime art website will somehow solve things. So here are the words of encouragement that many of you so desperately desire:

The world is a pretty good place. It's the only place we can live right now, so help everyone else make it better, not worse.

You are in good company. Some of the most energetic, positive, and compassionate people often pass through troubles too.

Getting over it isn't as hard as you think. Whatever it is, is sure to build you up after it knocks you down, and people are pretty darn resilient.

It's easier to start now than to wait. A year from now, you'll be glad you did.

You don't know as much as you think you do. This may sound like an insult, but think about it. It really means you still have a lot you can figure out.

Listen to the advice of elders. They harden themselves over time, but that might be the strength you need to grow stronger.

Before you go to bed at night, think of one really cool thing you did today. Do it every night and be happy with the results.

Outsmart "naysayers". Find new ways of beating those who doubt you using nothing more than your mind.

Walk away from influences that give you comfort at a price. The righteous path is usually not the most convenient one. No porn, booze, drugs, hateful rhetoric...

Finally, prepare yourself for harder times to come. You might think you've got it bad now, but worse things can happen. A little effort and preparation can mitigate many ill effects.

Lol, well I have to agree - the whole "I feel like slashing my wrists now" is getting old. I believe the correct term is 'emo'?

I don't mind people who have problems - everyone has problems. I don't mind people who have had a rough day and are having a rant, because that's fine too. I do, however, have a problem with people who say stuff like "I'm useless", "I can't do anything right", "I feel like killing myself", etc. Either they want sympathy and attention, or they need counselling. I'm not wasting my time giving attention to attention-seekers, and although I will give advice as would a lot of people here, this place is an anime/game/art site, not a counselling service.

Ahh there you go love and surprise, surprise you're not dead and I doubt it really hurt you to give that great advice. The truth of the matter is everyone has their own hell and it doesn't matter who you are...hell is one of the inescapable unchangeable absolutes out there like death. I think the only people that would be immune are those that have bran new souls. All of us in here have pretty old souls that is why we consider killing ourselves when we are so young and why we tend to suffer greatly despite the fact that we have barely begun to live.

I think the one thing that snapped me out of it was realizing that the world is huge. I'm not going to say that thinking of other people suffering more than I did helped me out of it. I was selfish and saw the world as grays and didn't care about anyone else. I will never love the humans only tolerate them nor will I blindly forgive the people that hurt me so much for in my eyes forgiveness must be earned...like trust and love. Now yes I know there are a butt-load of people out there that would say that I'm stupid for thinking that why but if you really think about it the only one that can so freely give forgiveness is God and you know how uppity people get when others try to be God.

Yes you are right crsg that this isn't a counseling service site but people take comfort in the fact that there are others out there that will listen to them and can relate. Even if there wasn't a forum for the grievances of people I would still sense their heartache and feel compelled beyond all reason to counsel them. It is just in our nature to seek out help and offer guidance especially when we have advice and have lived a life if not it's mirror our selves.

We are all saddened when we hear how a kid killed him or herself because they didn't know how to get help or thought there wasn't help out there for them. In this site where all Otaku are welcome and since we are a minority in ourselves in our love of Anime and Manga then we must have other commonalities even in our hurts. There will probably never be a time when we can live without hurting either ourselves or other people but we can be safe and happy in the fact that there are sites like this that are generally dedicated to something rather whimsical and totally awesome but also a site where we can met and talk to people that are like us when before we thought we were alone in the world. Alone in our uncommon and unnatural love of Anime but also alone in our level of hell that seems to only fall deeper and deeper away from happiness...peace...and life itself. The creator of this site must have foresight and a very kind heart to make a Forum for people to seek helpful advice from others that are so much like them...a place...a home to call our own and not be ridiculed for what we love and why we suffer and hurt.

I guess that depends how strong one is. Some people are depressed for a while, then understand what makes their life miserable and try to fix it. I'm one of those people. I was depressed for some time but then I understood why and I told myself this can't continue like this any longer. I worked hard and I still do, to make my life better. I didn't need any help and I did it alone not taking the time of other people that also have their problems. I'm solving them myself which makes me feel better.
Some people can't do it alone, and sometimes they don't have anyone beside them that could help them, or so they think.
That's propably why they post on forums, to find someone like them to talk to. Find some motivation and relieve stress.
I guess it's all about the spine. It doesn't really bother me, I'll help if I can. However they should keep in mind this is a anime/art forum. But then again, it has a lamentations section...

I'm sure that when this site first was created and up and running it didn't have any sections besides Anime related. Only after a while people just kept on making threads that had nothing to do with Anime so the creator of this site made forums for other subjects for as surprising as it can be my loves there is more out there than just Anime...nothing that can compare to it's awesomeness and greatness but still other things and people want to talk about them with others that they have in common with...we are very lucky to be so loved.