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Buddhism and the Bible
by Michoel Drazin, ISBN 965-229-070-x

Here are some quotations from writers over the past few centuries:


T.W. Rhys Davids, Nineteenth century Professor:
There is every reason to believe that the Pitakas [sacred books containing the legends of Buddha] now extant in Ceylon are substantially identical with the books of the southern canon, as settled at the Council of Patna about the year 250 B.C. As no work would have been received into the Canon which were not then believer to be very old, the Pitakas may be approximately placed in the forth century B.C. and parts of them possibly reach back very nearly, if not quite to the time of Gautama (Buddha) himself.

Samuel Beal, Nineteenth century:
We know that the Fo-pen-hing was translated into Chinese from Sanskrit (the ancient language of Hindstan) so early as the eleventh year of the reign of Wing-ping (Ming-ti) of the Hans Dynasty, ie., 69 or 70 A.D. We may, therefore, safely suppose that the original work was in circulation in India for sometime previous to this date. These points of agreement with the Gospel narrative arouse curiosity and require explanation. If we could prove that they [the legends of Buddha] were unknown in the East for some centuries after Christ, the explanation would be very easy. But all the evidence we have goes to prove the contrary....

Ernest de Bunsen, Nineteenth century:
With the remarkable exception of the death of Jesus on the cross and of the doctrine of atonement by vicarious suffering, which is absolutely excluded by Buddhism, the most ancient of the Buddhisitic records known to us contain statements about the life and doctrines of Gautama Buddha which correspond in a remarkable manner and impossibly by mere chance with the traditions recorded in the Gospels about the life and doctrines of Jesus Christ...

Max Muller, Nineteenth century Professor:
Between the language of Buddha and his disciples, and the language between Christ and his apostles, there are strange coincidences. When some of th e Buddhist legends and parables sound as if taken from the New Testament, though we know that many of them existed before the beginning of the Christian era.

Kenneth Scott Latourette, Twentieth century:
Approximately five centuries older than Christianity, by the time of the birth of Christ, Buddhism had already spread through out much of India and Ceylon and had penetrated into Central Asia and China.

M. LAbbe Huc, Nineteenth century:
The miraculous birth of Buddha, his life and instructions, contain a great number of the moral and dogmatic truths professed in Christianity.

T.W. Doane, Nineteenth century:
...nothing now remains for the honest man to do but acknowledge the truth, which is that the history of Jesus of Nazareth, as related in the books of the New Testament maybe a copy of that of Buddha, with a mixture of mythology borrowed from other nations.

Both Buddha and Jesus were baptized in the presence of the spirit of G-D.

Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom.

Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for 47 days and Jesus for 40.

At the conclusion of their fasts they both wandered to a fig tree.

Both were about the same age when the began their public ministry: When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self-possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great denunciation. At the time he was 29 years of age....Jesus when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age... Luke 3:23

Both were tempted by the devil at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents. To Jesus he said: All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me. Matt 4:9 Buddha answered the devil: Get away from me Jesus responded ...begone Satan! Matt 4:10.

Both experienced the supernatural after the devil left: For Buddha: The skies rained flowers, and delicious odors prevailed in the air. For Jesus ..angels came and ministered to him. Matt 4:11.

The multitudes required a sign from both in order that they might believe.

Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth.

Buddha represented himself as a mere link in a long chain of enlightened teachers. Jesus said: Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.Matt 5:17.

According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic's eye once offended him, so he plucked it our and cast it away. Jesus said 'If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away;...' Matt 5:29.

Buddha taught that the motive of all our actions should be pity of love of our neighbor. Jesus taught: ...love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.... Matt 5:4.

Buddha said: Hide your good deeds and confess before the world the sins you have committed. Jesus said: Beware of practicing your piety before men to be seen by them;...Matt 6:1 and Therefore confess your sins one to another and pray one for another, that you may be healed... James 5:16.

Both are said to have known the thoughts of others: By directing his mind to the thoughts of others, [Buddha] can know the thoughts of all beings. But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said: Why do you think evil in our hearts? Matt 9:4.

Both were itinerant preachers with a close group of trustees within a larger group of disciples.

Both demanded that their disciples renounce all worldly possessions.

Both sent their disciples on missionary assignments: The number of disciples rapidly increased and Gautama sent forth his monks on missionary tours hither and thither, bidding them wander everywhere, preaching the doctrine, and teaching men to order their lives with self -restraint, simplicity, and charity. And Jesus called to him twelve apostle and began to send them out two by two....So they went out and preached that men should repent. Mark 6:7.

Both had a disciple who walked on water: To convert skeptical villagers, Buddha showed them his disciple walking across a river without sinking. He said: Come So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out: Lord save me! Matt 14:29-30. 21. One day Ananda, the disciple of Buddha, after a long walk in the country, meets with Matangi, a woman of the low caste of the Kandalas, near a well, and asks her for some water. She tells him what she is, and that she must not come near him. But he replies: My sister, I ask not for your caste of your family, I ask only for a draught of water. She afterwards became a disciple of Buddha. There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her give me a drink. For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him: How is it that you a Jew, ask a drink of me, a woman of Samaria? For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans. John 4:7-9.

Both men received similar receptions: The people swept a pathway, the gods strewed flowers on the pathway and branches of the coral trees, the men bore branches of all manner of trees and the Bodhisattva Sumedha spread his garments in the mire, and men and gods shouted All hail. And they brought the colt to Jesus mad threw their garments on it, and he sat on it. And many spread their garments on the road and others spread leafy branches which they has cut from the fields. Mark 11:7 -8.

When Buddha died: The coverings of [his] body unrolled themselves and the lid of his coffin was opened by supernatural powers. When Jesus dies: And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the L-RD descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat upon it. Matt 28:2.

In the year 217 B.C. Buddhist missionaries were imprisoned for preaching; but and angel, genie or spirit came and opened the prison door, and liberated them. They arrested the apostles and put them in the common prison. But at night an angel of the L-RD opened the prison doors and brought them out. Acts 5:18-19.

Both men's disciples are said to have been miracle workers.

Shinsengumi89

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Interesting, but Buddhisim came before Christianity did it not? About 800 years? Also i don't Truly Remember Siddhara ever Claiming to be God. But i'm no theologian.

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Actually you'll find these sorts of similarities among many different religions especially the ones about miracles and disciples. I wouldn't read too much into it. The fact that the moral codes taught by both men are similar is reflection of themselves and what they belive in. Therefore its not to hard to imagine that two people would have come up with many similar ideas.

Do not interfere in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

I seriously have to doubt a lot of the comments in there.

Lord Gautama Buddha's life experience deals with the worldly sufferings of man and is deeply rooted in the sufferings of the real world and the mind (i.e. lust, jealousy, greed, etc).

There never was any involvement of supernatural elements like the Devil, miracles (like walking on water or Angels/genies/spirits or coffin lids opening by themselves).

From the way I see it, it's just taking Bible stuffs and plugging Buddha's name in it.

Quote by MnemethActually you'll find these sorts of similarities among many different religions especially the ones about miracles and disciples. I wouldn't read too much into it. The fact that the moral codes taught by both men are similar is reflection of themselves and what they belive in. Therefore its not to hard to imagine that two people would have come up with many similar ideas.

I agree 100%. Moral lessons are univeral. It will be no different across religions as it is across cultures.

Quote by kiopi I seriously have to doubt a lot of the comments in there.

Lord Gautama Buddha's life experience deals with the worldly sufferings of man and is deeply rooted in the sufferings of the real world and the mind (i.e. lust, jealousy, greed, etc).

There never was any involvement of supernatural elements like the Devil, miracles (like walking on water or Angels/genies/spirits or coffin lids opening by themselves).

From the way I see it, it's just taking Bible stuffs and plugging Buddha's name in it.

I believe what you mean to say is

it's just taking Buddhist stuffs and plugging bible stuff in it.

royaldarkness

royaldarkness

Restless Soul

that's interesting to know, but i agree with kiopi and suikodee

Quote by suikodee

Quote by kiopi I seriously have to doubt a lot of the comments in there.

Lord Gautama Buddha's life experience deals with the worldly sufferings of man and is deeply rooted in the sufferings of the real world and the mind (i.e. lust, jealousy, greed, etc).

There never was any involvement of supernatural elements like the Devil, miracles (like walking on water or Angels/genies/spirits or coffin lids opening by themselves).

From the way I see it, it's just taking Bible stuffs and plugging Buddha's name in it.

I believe what you mean to say is

it's just taking Buddhist stuffs and plugging bible stuff in it.


Don't correct proper grammer with inproper grammer, that's a rule of thumb you might want consider...

I don't understand, is the point of this thread to try to convert ignorant Buddhists to Christianity by making Buddha seem like Jesus in some way? I know some Christians do that kind of thing, but I hope that's not what's going on here... meh.

RubyDrg0n

Wanna-be-Drg0n

hey... watch your tongue... don't categorize others as ignorant... Buddhists juz wanna stay in peace deepening their wisdom and do good to the world... alot of us(religion critics) consider Christians to be the most ignorant ppl alive.... so i dun think you have any rights to say that...

futhermore saying that Buddhist are ignorant to cover up your failure to convert them is totally shameful

Quote by RubyDrg0nhey... watch your tongue... don't categorize others as ignorant... Buddhists juz wanna stay in peace deepening their wisdom and do good to the world... alot of us(religion critics) consider Christians to be the most ignorant ppl alive.... so i dun think you have any rights to say that...

futhermore saying that Buddhist are ignorant to cover up your failure to convert them is totally shameful

Quoted for truth.

The point of my bolded remark is just that: Buddhism has been around much longer than Christianity has. In this way, I have proven my point, and your ignorant remark is back at you, alexjohn.

Quote by suikodee

Quote by RubyDrg0nhey... watch your tongue... don't categorize others as ignorant... Buddhists juz wanna stay in peace deepening their wisdom and do good to the world... alot of us(religion critics) consider Christians to be the most ignorant ppl alive.... so i dun think you have any rights to say that...

futhermore saying that Buddhist are ignorant to cover up your failure to convert them is totally shameful

Quoted for truth.

The point of my bolded remark is just that: Buddhism has been around much longer than Christianity has. In this way, I have proven my point, and your ignorant remark is back at you, alexjohn.


No, both of you are just idiots. When I say "ignorant Buddhists" I'm speaking of the Buddhists that are ignorant. Take an English class sometime instead of accusing me of stereotyping.

So you're both ignorant towards the English language, because you assume I'm insulting Buddhists, and you're ignorant towards the fact that I'm an atheist, because you assume I'm a Christian. Ya, great job "proving your point" Suikodee.

mountain

mountain

None

Mmmm, its very interesting, I don't know buddism well enough to comments on the validity of the comparisons or whether or not the information has been slightly adjusted to conform which each religion.

But still, I think it would be exaggerated to suggest that Chirstianity copied some of their gospels and stuff from the "legends of Buddha". I've never actually heard that buddism had any influence around the middle east at that time nor I would doubt that the disciples who wrote the gospels had any knowledge of them.

royaldarkness

royaldarkness

Restless Soul

Well, think of it this way. No matter what, Buddhism did come before Christianity and Islam (in reference to the other thread), so there is a chance that they were influenced by the Buddhist teachings. Take note, i said influenced, not copy. That all happened in the past, we don't know for sure, and what diference does it make? The important thing are the teachings, they're just trying to make our lives more meaningful.

Quote by suikodee

Quote by kiopi I seriously have to doubt a lot of the comments in there.

Lord Gautama Buddha's life experience deals with the worldly sufferings of man and is deeply rooted in the sufferings of the real world and the mind (i.e. lust, jealousy, greed, etc).

There never was any involvement of supernatural elements like the Devil, miracles (like walking on water or Angels/genies/spirits or coffin lids opening by themselves).

From the way I see it, it's just taking Bible stuffs and plugging Buddha's name in it.

I believe what you mean to say is

it's just taking Buddhist stuffs and plugging bible stuff in it.


Nope. I say what I meant to say. It's taking Bible stuff and repackaging as some Buddhist story. If you have the opportunity to listen to talks held by Indian and Sri Lankan Buddhist monks, do give it a try. You'll notice no such out-of-this-worldly feats was ever performed in Buddha's life story. Everything is rooted in reality.

From your rephrasing, you are taking the stand that walking on water, resurrection (which conflicts with Buddhism's view on reincarnation), etc has been done before in Buddhism.

sukumei

sukumei

Running A Critiquing Service

many of us Christians interpert this Buddha and Jesus as the same man preaching the same religion. It is only the poepel who misinterperted and so therefore we have 2 religions. Now I am a true and very pious Catholic but we have to think where Buddism came from too. Truly this prophet, buddha couldn't have been the same man as Jesus or could he? It is one of the largest miysterysv of this world that few have tired to investigate.

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Lord Budddha does not believe in the existence of God. He has admitted that he himself is a mortal man and just a teacher (not a prophet).

I'm glad someone else pointed it out as well. Buddha is not god. He never claimed to be. In fact, you can be an atheist and Buddhist.

forte712

forte712

I see the monkey mind...

There's a lot of good points made by the first message
I disagree with some, though..

"Both Buddha and Jesus were baptized in the presence of the spirit of G-D."
as kiopi said, The Buddha does not acknowledge the existence of one supreme being, God. So he's not a prophet either.

"Both demanded that their disciples renounce all worldly possessions."
The Buddha never demand anyone to renouce their worldly possession. He adviced them to not be attached to their worldly possession, but never demand them to renounce it altogether.

"According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic's eye once offended him, so he plucked it our and cast it away. Jesus said 'If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away;...' Matt 5:29."
Somadeva was a Brahmin, and his stories are iinfluenced by Buddhism, That is all I know. The above story is definitely false, however. The Buddha is an example of universal compassion. And plucking an eye from an ascetic is NOT compassion :) He also can never be offended by anybody.

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