This is sometimes considered a "pressing" issue in todays world. I
think that it should be legal. Love takes shape in many forms. Why should it be
limited to a male and female? People say "God created Adam and Eve, not
Adam and Steve." Well, first off, there are seperate versions of the
Creation, so why go with just one? Because it's the most "logical"?
And how do you know the Bible is entirely true and you should take it literally?
I'm not being Anti-Christian, but I do know some, if not most, of the Bible
should be taken morally. The plain truth is people often do not like things that
are different. Gays are "different" to many people, therefore they
sould be downsized. I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but it just
irritates the hell out of me when people act like a gay relationship is just
ludicrous and blasphemy and could never happen. If being gay IS wrong, and I'm
saying it's not,then they'll pay the price when the time comes. I say YES to gay
marriage, no matter what ban Bush tries to pull.
Thank you! You stated it perefectly! Nothing more needs to be said! Homosexuals
should have the right to marry as Homosexuals do. Bush is just discirminating(
which is illegal).
Quote by melonythen they'll pay the price
when the time comes.
you wont have to wait long ^_^
but anyways, in my opinion its wrong I mean, its obviously not suppose to be two
of the same sex when NOTHING works that way and it never has for the last 8
thousand years
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."- Declaration
of Independence
its says "all men". it doesn't say " all
men, except the fags".
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent
a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men
are created equal."- Lincoln
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are
created equal.' "- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Except that the writers of the Declaration of Independence, Abraham Lincoln, and
Dr. King were all strong Christians, and in their viewpoint, being homosexual
was a sin. Careful who you quote, because they may not have shared your
ideology.
It is a fact that the laws in this nation are decided by the voters, as our
Founding Fathers intended. And the majority of this nation does NOT want
homosexual marriage allowed.
The only time it has become legal is through the actions of a liberal court in a
state, using the equal rights clause of their state constitution, which was
written by a man who was a devout Christian himself. It was never his intent to
allow same-sex marriage. It took some deranged judges centuries later to strain
the meanings of his words to enable that deviant practice.
Quote by XDE I Couldn't Care Less, They
Should be Able To marry And All, All I Want Tho Is For Them To KEEP AWAY FROM
ME, That's All ^^
How can you say that!? Everybody should be considered equal and ARE equal! Whether or not a person is attracted
to the same sex shouldn't classify them as to being "human" or not. I
think that everybody has a right to love who they want to. People who are
discriminated because they are attracted to the same sex aren't hurting anybody
so let them do what they want!
From the way I see it; if you're lucky enough to find love, then more power to
you. Urgh, people who are ignorant like that just make me so angry. My best
friend is a bisexual and I don't see it as a "disease". She's still a
good person and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at her. There's
nothing wrong with these type of people so stop acting like you're better than
them because from how I see it, you don't have any right critizing about
subjects you know nothing about! >=0!
it should be legal everywhere. no one should have to right to chenge what u
believe in and its your lifestyle not theirs. they come up with these lame
excuses like how their kids will be affected by it when they see them. their
kids will learn about it when they get older anyways its not that big of a deal.
some people have to learn to accept them and stop telling those people to get
away from them. people should be able to do whatever they want with their lives.
Deviant? How on earth does it bother you? It's been proven that homosexuality is
a normal occurance in nature; and if people are homosexual or choose to be, and
it makes them happy, who are you to say that it's wrong? If you say religious
reasons, how dare you force your narrow ideology on others? And anyway, being
christian doesn't necessarily mean you're against gays. Some christians actually
honor the commandment "Love thy neighbour" without reservation, and
those are the people I consider to be smartly religious: to take away the hatred
religion has caused for those who are different when they have no choice to be.
So it's quite possible that the "strong christians" as you call them
may have had reservations about certain parts of their religion.
And just because a majority of US people don't want gay marriage, that doesn't
mean that someday (soon I hope) they will change their minds, even though the US
is ridden with evangelical stupidity. Europe is well on its way to accepting gay
marriage, whether you like it or not, overcoming religion's barriers to accept
and not reject.
Why are you against gay marriage anyways? What have gays ever done to you, apart
from challenging the narrow-minded order in which you live? How would it bother
you if gays had the right of marriage, bweb?
Deviant? How on earth does it bother you? It's been proven that homosexuality is
a normal occurance in nature; and if people are homosexual or choose to be, and
it makes them happy, who are you to say that it's wrong? If you say religious
reasons, how dare you force your narrow ideology on others? And anyway, being
christian doesn't necessarily mean you're against gays. Some christians actually
honor the commandment "Love thy neighbour" without reservation, and
those are the people I consider to be smartly religious: to take away the hatred
religion has caused for those who are different when they have no choice to be.
So it's quite possible that the "strong christians" as you call them
may have had reservations about certain parts of their religion.
And just because a majority of US people don't want gay marriage, that doesn't
mean that someday (soon I hope) they will change their minds, even though the US
is ridden with evangelical stupidity. Europe is well on its way to accepting gay
marriage, whether you like it or not, overcoming religion's barriers to accept
and not reject.
Why are you against gay marriage anyways? What have gays ever done to you, apart
from challenging the narrow-minded order in which you live? How would it bother
you if gays had the right of marriage, bweb?
It bothers me because the institution of marriage has existed for a very long
time, and who the hell is this ten percent of the populace to try and redefine
it because societal conventions don't suit them?
And yes, the studies say that gays make up, at most, a mere ten percent of the
populace. And that is likely a generous estimation.
Well, guess what, being gay is either a choice, which most gays say it's not,
but I'm not convinced, or it is an abberration of birth. Those are the only two
choices. Choice, or abberation. And since it's a minority that are either the
by-products of bad choices or birth defects, it is, by definition, deviant.
And I, and the vast majority of us, refuse to change our definitions and social
structures to satisfy a few abberant and deviant people.
FINALLY! someone whos brave enough to bring it out into the open. Thank you so
much melony. I can't believe theres all these people that believe in same-sex
marriage - and yet Bush got elected for president! Its absolutely appalling. Me?
Im not going to say what I think about Bush because this thread is obviously not
asking for political viewpoints, but I do think same sex marriage should be
legal. Its none of our business whether they are the same sex or not. It doesnt
affect us at all. Theres no reason for us to go sticking our noses into other
peoples' business. Yes, some people might say that its gross to watch two
girls/guys making out with each other...but what the heck! if you think its
gross, then WHY ARE YOU WATCHING!?
seriously. some people really need to grow up (like Bush). If God didnt want
same sex marraige..well then those people would have been struck by lightning by
now - I dont think Ive heard of any gay people dying recently. I think that
marrying someone who you truly love, even if they are the same sex, is sooooo
much better than going to Las Vegas or somewhere and randomly marrying your
friend (of the opposite sex) who you dont even love. (umm...Brittany Spears?)
Well, thats just my opinion on this issue. But every time I hear someone
opposing same sex marriage, I keep asking myself - "is it really that
important to interfere in some one else's life? Does it really make those people
happy to destroy someones love? Whats the big deal? Gay people dont hurt us in
any way." Well, if another girl liked me, I'd be a little uncomfortable,
but I would tell her that I dont like her back (ahh Im boy crazy )
and she would have to give up either way - right? Aghghhghhgh I dont know about
the rest of you...BUT WHATS WRONG WITH IT? It was wrong at first to let women
vote. It was wrong at first to let black americans vote. it was wrong at first
to even let black americans read.
and about using that quote wrongly from the founding fathers. even if they
thought it was a sin to have same sex marraige...well they cant say anything
about it can they? because technically they are traitors to their home country.
Im not saying this to cause a big riot about america and how i just dissed the
founding fathers. but its true. theyre traitors and they have no right to say
anything about anyone else.
Quote by XDE I
Couldn't Care Less, They Should be Able To marry And All, All I Want Tho Is For
Them To KEEP AWAY FROM ME, That's All ^^
How can you say that!? Everybody should be considered equal and ARE equal! Whether or not a person is attracted
to the same sex shouldn't classify them as to being "human" or not. I
think that everybody has a right to love who they want to. People who are
discriminated because they are attracted to the same sex aren't hurting anybody
so let them do what they want!
From the way I see it; if you're lucky enough to find love, then more power to
you. Urgh, people who are ignorant like that just make me so angry. My best
friend is a bisexual and I don't see it as a "disease". She's still a
good person and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at her. There's
nothing wrong with these type of people so stop acting like you're better than
them because from how I see it, you don't have any right critizing about
subjects you know nothing about! >=0!
I dont think he meant it like that o.o. And btw, he didnt say anything about
"they are not human". And he didnt say that they are not like us, they
are not "equal". Everybody are equal but he meant that as long as they
dont get stuck on him, everything is fine. For me its the same. Maybe I sound
cruel, but I have no problem at all if my friend likes the same sex. Doesnt
bother me. But if it comes to the point that he starts to like me more than a
friend, of course I will be startled, but I will still not look down on him. Its
just the case that he will not be able to get closer to me than a friend cause I
dont like guys. But he will still be my friend
And if you think that sounds cruel, try to kiss your friend and get closer to
each other and like each other more than friends! Its not so easy (especially if
you dont like your own sex), and if you dont belive me then try doing
it.
Love is cruel, and you know it. What can you do about it?
Ah, as for the thread question, yes, I think gay marriage should be legal
everywhere (actually, it depends on the situation in that country/land. I dont
have the knowledge to actually say "yes, gay marriage should be legal
everywhere", but in the end I want gay marriage to be legal). Its not so
fun to know that some persons cant love each other in the way they want because
they are gay . The world is cruel
P.S: This post is unusually long compared to the others. Something is maybe
missing or something I have written down can be wrong.
Quote by bweb
It bothers me because the institution of marriage has existed for a very long
time, and who the hell is this ten percent of the populace to try and redefine
it because societal conventions don't suit them?
And yes, the studies say that gays make up, at most, a mere ten percent of the
populace. And that is likely a generous estimation.
Well, guess what, being gay is either a choice, which most gays say it's not,
but I'm not convinced, or it is an abberration of birth. Those are the only two
choices. Choice, or abberation. And since it's a minority that are either the
by-products of bad choices or birth defects, it is, by definition,
deviant.
And I, and the vast majority of us, refuse to change our definitions and social
structures to satisfy a few abberant and deviant
people.
"The institution of marriage has existed for a very long time" So?
Things are meant to evolve and change. Slavery used to be a respected
institution; now it's illegal. Segregation used to be an institution; now it's
gone.
I also happen to know the statistic you gave. 10% of about 300,000 people is
30,000 people discriminated against in the US. Don't care because you're not
part of them.
"Being gay is a choice or an aberration". So, according to you, all
people who made bad decisions and all people with congenital physical or mental
handicaps are fair game to be discriminated against? Are you into eugenics or
something? bweb, I'm bisexual, and I sure as hell can tell you, I can't help but
be attracted to both sexes. You can't help being attracted to your opposite sex.
What is the difference? I don't discriminate against what's different from me,
which is what you are obviously doing.
Deviant? How on earth does it bother you? It's been proven that homosexuality is
a normal occurance in nature; and if people are homosexual or choose to be, and
it makes them happy, who are you to say that it's wrong? If you say religious
reasons, how dare you force your narrow ideology on others? And anyway, being
christian doesn't necessarily mean you're against gays. Some christians actually
honor the commandment "Love thy neighbour" without reservation, and
those are the people I consider to be smartly religious: to take away the hatred
religion has caused for those who are different when they have no choice to be.
So it's quite possible that the "strong christians" as you call them
may have had reservations about certain parts of their religion.
And just because a majority of US people don't want gay marriage, that doesn't
mean that someday (soon I hope) they will change their minds, even though the US
is ridden with evangelical stupidity. Europe is well on its way to accepting gay
marriage, whether you like it or not, overcoming religion's barriers to accept
and not reject.
Why are you against gay marriage anyways? What have gays ever done to you, apart
from challenging the narrow-minded order in which you live? How would it bother
you if gays had the right of marriage, bweb?
It bothers me because the institution of marriage has existed for a very long
time, and who the hell is this ten percent of the populace to try and redefine
it because societal conventions don't suit them?
And yes, the studies say that gays make up, at most, a mere ten percent of the
populace. And that is likely a generous estimation.
Well, guess what, being gay is either a choice, which most gays say it's not,
but I'm not convinced, or it is an abberration of birth. Those are the only two
choices. Choice, or abberation. And since it's a minority that are either the
by-products of bad choices or birth defects, it is, by definition, deviant.
And I, and the vast majority of us, refuse to change our definitions and social
structures to satisfy a few abberant and deviant people.
Wtf m8? bweb, what are you talking about? Does it matter if its just ten percent
of the populace? We all are still equal dammit. Why shouldnt we change our
oppinions on the persons who wants to be accepted and want to marry a person of
the same sex? What in the world?!?! Why shouldnt we change our social structure
to satisfy gay marriage, even if there are not so many of them? (ten percent as
you say). Well, thats insane. In which way does that change our social structure
if you just want gay marriage to be legal? You got quite some questions to
answer, and I hope you will come back to this thread and solve them. Im certain
that most persons who have read you post doesnt agree with your thoughts (but as
always, you have to accept what others think. Man ).
/afaT
I dont know if it is bad or good.Or if should by legal or not.They would do what
they want and nothing would change.Some people would despise them, some people
dont care and some people would by "with them".I dont know if the gays
or lesbians legalize or not their marriage.They should do what their
"head" their heart and probably in some country also their religion
say. but i am not a gay so my opinion have not so big weight like when some gay
it would writte.......:)
Look, again, Jimmy Carter( Former President C. Texas), is very Christian just
read his latest book. But he says that even though it's a sin a sinner has no
right to tell another sinner what to do, and it is not a sin that hurts anyone(
no matter what your opinion is).
Oh and the Romans were into being gay so yeah it's been around for a
while.
merged: 06-26-2006 ~ 07:23am
Also look, change will ocure, it ocures over long periods of time but bweb sorry
to break it to oyu, just like the womens rights, civil rights, and minorty
rights movments, gay rights will win over, change is constant( i promise you in
100 years it will be legal in almost all western countries.)
Quote by XDE I
Couldn't Care Less, They Should be Able To marry And All, All I Want Tho Is For
Them To KEEP AWAY FROM ME, That's All ^^
How can you say that!? Everybody should be considered equal and ARE equal! Whether or not a person is attracted
to the same sex shouldn't classify them as to being "human" or not. I
think that everybody has a right to love who they want to. People who are
discriminated because they are attracted to the same sex aren't hurting anybody
so let them do what they want!
From the way I see it; if you're lucky enough to find love, then more power to
you. Urgh, people who are ignorant like that just make me so angry. My best
friend is a bisexual and I don't see it as a "disease". She's still a
good person and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at her. There's
nothing wrong with these type of people so stop acting like you're better than
them because from how I see it, you don't have any right critizing about
subjects you know nothing about! >=0!
Hey, I Know They're Humans And All, And I Respect That, I just Don't Want Them
Near...No Offense...It's Just That...I Dunno...And They Are Likely To get A
Sexually Transmitted Decease Because Eventually From All That Anal ******
They'll Get AIDS Or Something Like that...Sorry...Just My Opinion ^^'''
Quote by XDE I
Couldn't Care Less, They Should be Able To marry And All, All I Want Tho Is For
Them To KEEP AWAY FROM ME, That's All ^^
How can you say that!? Everybody should be considered equal and ARE equal! Whether or not a person is attracted
to the same sex shouldn't classify them as to being "human" or not. I
think that everybody has a right to love who they want to. People who are
discriminated because they are attracted to the same sex aren't hurting anybody
so let them do what they want!
From the way I see it; if you're lucky enough to find love, then more power to
you. Urgh, people who are ignorant like that just make me so angry. My best
friend is a bisexual and I don't see it as a "disease". She's still a
good person and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at her. There's
nothing wrong with these type of people so stop acting like you're better than
them because from how I see it, you don't have any right critizing about
subjects you know nothing about! >=0!
I dont think he meant it like that o.o. And btw, he didnt say anything about
"they are not human". And he didnt say that they are not like us, they
are not "equal". Everybody are equal but he meant that as long as they
dont get stuck on him, everything is fine. For me its the same. Maybe I sound
cruel, but I have no problem at all if my friend likes the same sex. Doesnt
bother me. But if it comes to the point that he starts to like me more than a
friend, of course I will be startled, but I will still not look down on him. Its
just the case that he will not be able to get closer to me than a friend cause I
dont like guys. But he will still be my friend
And if you think that sounds cruel, try to kiss your friend and get closer to
each other and like each other more than friends! Its not so easy (especially if
you dont like your own sex), and if you dont belive me then try doing
it.
Yes, it should be legal if only to be fair. On the other side of the coin,
marriage is a little stupid, if you really loved each other you don't need some
sort of contract to keep you together, that happens on its own. My parents know
a couple who have been together, unmarried for 50 years, all they had to say is
that they don't need a piece of paper to remind them they love each
other.
XDE does have a point though, for your average heterosexual male, this is a 100%
side-issue, it does not affect us in any way at all, so if we support it is is
simple to be fair to them. Likewise hetersexual males do typically have a thing
about homosexual males getting close to them 'in that way', its natural and it
makes sense that they'd be uncomfortable.
I didn't read any discrimination into that, I think he just spoke his mind, many
straight guys would see it the same way, no matter how bad it sounds.
Quote: Hey, I Know They're Humans
And All, And I Respect That, I just Don't Want Them Near...No Offense...It's
Just That...I Dunno...And They Are Likely To get A Sexually Transmitted Decease
Because Eventually From All That Anal ****** They'll Get AIDS Or Something Like
that...Sorry...Just My Opinion ^^'''
Man, unless a gay infected with AIDS rapes you, you won't have it. Gosh, please
tell me you're 10 years old, and they still haven't taught you at school that
AIDS and HIV are only transmitted via blood interchange and sexual relationship.
And, most of all, not only gay people can have it (quit living in the '80s!),
but heterosexual couples too. That means, you can also get it from your
girlfriend's vagina. And most sexually transmited diseases are also consecuences
of male/female relationship (mainly because they're diseases adapted to
biological mating). Man, grow up.
Gay marriage should be legal. I can point out a gazillion of contradictions in
Bush's decision and the constitutions of most countries based on democracy
(incluiding his own), but I'm too lazy to do it right now.
The Catholic church tends to push it's nose into US government policy WAY too
much for a country where religion and government should be separate.
As for just gay marriage, there's no logical reason as to why it shouldn't be
legal, in my opinion this is the same as the racial problems of ages past, why
cant people just grow up?
As for bein around them, i'm all for it, i'm straight n i still find tat gay
guys are fun to hang out with.
"Being gay is a choice or an aberration". So, according to you, all
people who made bad decisions and all people with congenital physical or mental
handicaps are fair game to be discriminated against? Are you into eugenics or
something? .
If I were into Eugenics, I would be one of the first to go. Scoliosis and eyes
ravaged by cataracts due to a birth defect.
And yes, bad choices IS fair game for discriminating against someone. You choose
to do drugs? I'm going to refuse to hire you. You choose to beat your kids, I'm
going to report you to the authorities and have you locked up.
You engage in a lifestyle that is deviant and abberrant, I'm not going to afford
you special protections just because you made a stupid choice or because you
were born that way.
Being gay doesn't make you special, and it doesn't entitle you to alter society
to fit your lifestyle. You're not some ethnic group that is being treated badly
due to stereotypes. You're a group of people who are either choosing to engage
in abberrant behavior, or you've been genetically selected to engage in sexual
relations with your own gender, thus ensuring that you can't breed and pass on
your genes.
I am sick and tired of the gay community trying to push their agenda. I'm tired
of them comparing themselves to oppressed minorities to try and drive home their
cause. They're not a race of people. And I'm tired of them trying to use movies
and television to try to normalize their abnormality.
I don't intend to present a fallacious slippery slope here, but seriously: if we
extend "marriage" to be more than between a man and a woman, where do
we draw the line? Why would it be okay Adam and Steve to be a couple and live
happily ever after, while I'm not allowed to satiate all of my sexual feelings
by having a harem or marrying a twelve-year-old? Or relatives or corpses or
animals?
Also, as I've said in the past, a good government wants to promote
child-birthing families. Most consider a steady birth rate to be a healthy thing
for a country. If the government can give tax breaks to a married man and woman,
those families will have more money, and thus are more likely to have children
(and, perhaps more importantly, RAISE THEM WELL) because they are more capable
of doing so. A gay or lesbian couple is not a child-birthing family.
Sure, there are "straight" couples that don't end up having children,
and that's certainly a valid point. However, there does exist a rather sizable
difference between the number of heterosexual couples with children same-sex
couples. Allowing same-sex marriages changes the focus of marriage from the
birth and raising of children to sexuality and legality (more so than it
unfortunately already has been).
The best solution is most likely to abolish all government involvement with
"marriage," and just call it to something more along the lines of
"procreation support" instead (with maybe a couple other provisions
for hospital visits, wills, and such). Problem solved. No more issues about
same-sex marriages, and fewer financially-motivated marriages and divources
damaging children's lives. Removing government involvement in marriage would
take care of that entire big, terrible mess.
I think it should be legal everywhere cause these people also love each other as
a "normal" couple. Than why shouldn't they marry as normal people.
Homosexuellity isn't just a idea our days it is as old as mankind herself, they
are just an exception of the normal rules of evolution and like the adage says
:
"ecxeptions approve the rules" so why not it is natural in a way. and
why shouldn't tow men or women should adopt a child wouldn't they be good
parents like a normal couple. our comunity is a lot more tollerant than it was
30 years ago.
Look its like everywhere what you do behind closed doors is your own
thing.
For me to say in germany it's legal and that is good as I can say. why should
tow people wich are loving each other shouldn't get married, just because they
have the same gender?
This is sometimes considered a "pressing" issue in todays world. I think that it should be legal. Love takes shape in many forms. Why should it be limited to a male and female? People say "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." Well, first off, there are seperate versions of the Creation, so why go with just one? Because it's the most "logical"? And how do you know the Bible is entirely true and you should take it literally? I'm not being Anti-Christian, but I do know some, if not most, of the Bible should be taken morally. The plain truth is people often do not like things that are different. Gays are "different" to many people, therefore they sould be downsized. I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but it just irritates the hell out of me when people act like a gay relationship is just ludicrous and blasphemy and could never happen. If being gay IS wrong, and I'm saying it's not,then they'll pay the price when the time comes. I say YES to gay marriage, no matter what ban Bush tries to pull.
Thank you! You stated it perefectly! Nothing more needs to be said! Homosexuals should have the right to marry as Homosexuals do. Bush is just discirminating( which is illegal).
Shinsengumi89
you wont have to wait long ^_^
but anyways, in my opinion its wrong I mean, its obviously not suppose to be two of the same sex when NOTHING works that way and it never has for the last 8 thousand years
I Couldn't Care Less, They Should be Able To marry And All, All I Want Tho Is For Them To KEEP AWAY FROM ME, That's All ^^
Gay marriage should be legal,period.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."- Declaration of Independence
its says "all men". it doesn't say " all men, except the fags".
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."- Lincoln
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.' "- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Except that the writers of the Declaration of Independence, Abraham Lincoln, and Dr. King were all strong Christians, and in their viewpoint, being homosexual was a sin. Careful who you quote, because they may not have shared your ideology.
It is a fact that the laws in this nation are decided by the voters, as our Founding Fathers intended. And the majority of this nation does NOT want homosexual marriage allowed.
The only time it has become legal is through the actions of a liberal court in a state, using the equal rights clause of their state constitution, which was written by a man who was a devout Christian himself. It was never his intent to allow same-sex marriage. It took some deranged judges centuries later to strain the meanings of his words to enable that deviant practice.
How can you say that!? Everybody should be considered equal and ARE equal! Whether or not a person is attracted to the same sex shouldn't classify them as to being "human" or not. I think that everybody has a right to love who they want to. People who are discriminated because they are attracted to the same sex aren't hurting anybody so let them do what they want!
From the way I see it; if you're lucky enough to find love, then more power to
you. Urgh, people who are ignorant like that just make me so angry. My best
friend is a bisexual and I don't see it as a "disease". She's still a
good person and you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at her. There's
nothing wrong with these type of people so stop acting like you're better than
them because from how I see it, you don't have any right critizing about
subjects you know nothing about! 
>=0!
it should be legal everywhere. no one should have to right to chenge what u believe in and its your lifestyle not theirs. they come up with these lame excuses like how their kids will be affected by it when they see them. their kids will learn about it when they get older anyways its not that big of a deal. some people have to learn to accept them and stop telling those people to get away from them. people should be able to do whatever they want with their lives.
To bweb:
Deviant? How on earth does it bother you? It's been proven that homosexuality is a normal occurance in nature; and if people are homosexual or choose to be, and it makes them happy, who are you to say that it's wrong? If you say religious reasons, how dare you force your narrow ideology on others? And anyway, being christian doesn't necessarily mean you're against gays. Some christians actually honor the commandment "Love thy neighbour" without reservation, and those are the people I consider to be smartly religious: to take away the hatred religion has caused for those who are different when they have no choice to be. So it's quite possible that the "strong christians" as you call them may have had reservations about certain parts of their religion.
And just because a majority of US people don't want gay marriage, that doesn't mean that someday (soon I hope) they will change their minds, even though the US is ridden with evangelical stupidity. Europe is well on its way to accepting gay marriage, whether you like it or not, overcoming religion's barriers to accept and not reject.
Why are you against gay marriage anyways? What have gays ever done to you, apart from challenging the narrow-minded order in which you live? How would it bother you if gays had the right of marriage, bweb?
It bothers me because the institution of marriage has existed for a very long time, and who the hell is this ten percent of the populace to try and redefine it because societal conventions don't suit them?
And yes, the studies say that gays make up, at most, a mere ten percent of the populace. And that is likely a generous estimation.
Well, guess what, being gay is either a choice, which most gays say it's not, but I'm not convinced, or it is an abberration of birth. Those are the only two choices. Choice, or abberation. And since it's a minority that are either the by-products of bad choices or birth defects, it is, by definition, deviant.
And I, and the vast majority of us, refuse to change our definitions and social structures to satisfy a few abberant and deviant people.
FINALLY! someone whos brave enough to bring it out into the open. Thank you so much melony. I can't believe theres all these people that believe in same-sex marriage - and yet Bush got elected for president! Its absolutely appalling. Me? Im not going to say what I think about Bush because this thread is obviously not asking for political viewpoints, but I do think same sex marriage should be legal. Its none of our business whether they are the same sex or not. It doesnt affect us at all. Theres no reason for us to go sticking our noses into other peoples' business. Yes, some people might say that its gross to watch two girls/guys making out with each other...but what the heck! if you think its gross, then WHY ARE YOU WATCHING!?
seriously. some people really need to grow up (like Bush). If God didnt want
same sex marraige..well then those people would have been struck by lightning by
now - I dont think Ive heard of any gay people dying recently. I think that
marrying someone who you truly love, even if they are the same sex, is sooooo
much better than going to Las Vegas or somewhere and randomly marrying your
friend (of the opposite sex) who you dont even love. (umm...Brittany Spears?)
Well, thats just my opinion on this issue. But every time I hear someone
opposing same sex marriage, I keep asking myself - "is it really that
important to interfere in some one else's life? Does it really make those people
happy to destroy someones love? Whats the big deal? Gay people dont hurt us in
any way." Well, if another girl liked me, I'd be a little uncomfortable,
but I would tell her that I dont like her back (ahh Im boy crazy 
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and she would have to give up either way - right? Aghghhghhgh I dont know about
the rest of you...BUT WHATS WRONG WITH IT? It was wrong at first to let women
vote. It was wrong at first to let black americans vote. it was wrong at first
to even let black americans read.
and about using that quote wrongly from the founding fathers. even if they thought it was a sin to have same sex marraige...well they cant say anything about it can they? because technically they are traitors to their home country. Im not saying this to cause a big riot about america and how i just dissed the founding fathers. but its true. theyre traitors and they have no right to say anything about anyone else.
I dont think he meant it like that o.o. And btw, he didnt say anything about "they are not human". And he didnt say that they are not like us, they are not "equal". Everybody are equal but he meant that as long as they dont get stuck on him, everything is fine. For me its the same. Maybe I sound cruel, but I have no problem at all if my friend likes the same sex. Doesnt bother me. But if it comes to the point that he starts to like me more than a friend, of course I will be startled, but I will still not look down on him. Its just the case that he will not be able to get closer to me than a friend cause I dont like guys. But he will still be my friend
And if you think that sounds cruel, try to kiss your friend and get closer to each other and like each other more than friends! Its not so easy (especially if you dont like your own sex), and if you dont belive me then try doing it.
Love is cruel, and you know it. What can you do about it?
Ah, as for the thread question, yes, I think gay marriage should be legal everywhere (actually, it depends on the situation in that country/land. I dont have the knowledge to actually say "yes, gay marriage should be legal everywhere", but in the end I want gay marriage to be legal). Its not so fun to know that some persons cant love each other in the way they want because they are gay
. The world is cruel 
P.S: This post is unusually long compared to the others. Something is maybe missing or something I have written down can be wrong.
"The institution of marriage has existed for a very long time" So? Things are meant to evolve and change. Slavery used to be a respected institution; now it's illegal. Segregation used to be an institution; now it's gone.
I also happen to know the statistic you gave. 10% of about 300,000 people is 30,000 people discriminated against in the US. Don't care because you're not part of them.
"Being gay is a choice or an aberration". So, according to you, all people who made bad decisions and all people with congenital physical or mental handicaps are fair game to be discriminated against? Are you into eugenics or something? bweb, I'm bisexual, and I sure as hell can tell you, I can't help but be attracted to both sexes. You can't help being attracted to your opposite sex. What is the difference? I don't discriminate against what's different from me, which is what you are obviously doing.
Wtf m8? bweb, what are you talking about? Does it matter if its just ten percent of the populace? We all are still equal dammit. Why shouldnt we change our oppinions on the persons who wants to be accepted and want to marry a person of the same sex? What in the world?!?! Why shouldnt we change our social structure to satisfy gay marriage, even if there are not so many of them? (ten percent as you say). Well, thats insane. In which way does that change our social structure if you just want gay marriage to be legal? You got quite some questions to answer, and I hope you will come back to this thread and solve them. Im certain that most persons who have read you post doesnt agree with your thoughts (but as always, you have to accept what others think. Man
).
/afaT
I dont know if it is bad or good.Or if should by legal or not.They would do what they want and nothing would change.Some people would despise them, some people dont care and some people would by "with them".I dont know if the gays or lesbians legalize or not their marriage.They should do what their "head" their heart and probably in some country also their religion say. but i am not a gay so my opinion have not so big weight like when some gay it would writte.......:)
Look, again, Jimmy Carter( Former President C. Texas), is very Christian just read his latest book. But he says that even though it's a sin a sinner has no right to tell another sinner what to do, and it is not a sin that hurts anyone( no matter what your opinion is).
Oh and the Romans were into being gay so yeah it's been around for a while.
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Also look, change will ocure, it ocures over long periods of time but bweb sorry to break it to oyu, just like the womens rights, civil rights, and minorty rights movments, gay rights will win over, change is constant( i promise you in 100 years it will be legal in almost all western countries.)
Hey, I Know They're Humans And All, And I Respect That, I just Don't Want Them Near...No Offense...It's Just That...I Dunno...And They Are Likely To get A Sexually Transmitted Decease Because Eventually From All That Anal ****** They'll Get AIDS Or Something Like that...Sorry...Just My Opinion ^^'''
Yes, it should be legal if only to be fair. On the other side of the coin, marriage is a little stupid, if you really loved each other you don't need some sort of contract to keep you together, that happens on its own. My parents know a couple who have been together, unmarried for 50 years, all they had to say is that they don't need a piece of paper to remind them they love each other.
XDE does have a point though, for your average heterosexual male, this is a 100% side-issue, it does not affect us in any way at all, so if we support it is is simple to be fair to them. Likewise hetersexual males do typically have a thing about homosexual males getting close to them 'in that way', its natural and it makes sense that they'd be uncomfortable.
I didn't read any discrimination into that, I think he just spoke his mind, many straight guys would see it the same way, no matter how bad it sounds.
Man, unless a gay infected with AIDS rapes you, you won't have it. Gosh, please tell me you're 10 years old, and they still haven't taught you at school that AIDS and HIV are only transmitted via blood interchange and sexual relationship. And, most of all, not only gay people can have it (quit living in the '80s!), but heterosexual couples too. That means, you can also get it from your girlfriend's vagina. And most sexually transmited diseases are also consecuences of male/female relationship (mainly because they're diseases adapted to biological mating). Man, grow up.
Gay marriage should be legal. I can point out a gazillion of contradictions in Bush's decision and the constitutions of most countries based on democracy (incluiding his own), but I'm too lazy to do it right now.
The Catholic church tends to push it's nose into US government policy WAY too much for a country where religion and government should be separate.
As for just gay marriage, there's no logical reason as to why it shouldn't be legal, in my opinion this is the same as the racial problems of ages past, why cant people just grow up?
As for bein around them, i'm all for it, i'm straight n i still find tat gay guys are fun to hang out with.
If I were into Eugenics, I would be one of the first to go. Scoliosis and eyes ravaged by cataracts due to a birth defect.
And yes, bad choices IS fair game for discriminating against someone. You choose to do drugs? I'm going to refuse to hire you. You choose to beat your kids, I'm going to report you to the authorities and have you locked up.
You engage in a lifestyle that is deviant and abberrant, I'm not going to afford you special protections just because you made a stupid choice or because you were born that way.
Being gay doesn't make you special, and it doesn't entitle you to alter society to fit your lifestyle. You're not some ethnic group that is being treated badly due to stereotypes. You're a group of people who are either choosing to engage in abberrant behavior, or you've been genetically selected to engage in sexual relations with your own gender, thus ensuring that you can't breed and pass on your genes.
I am sick and tired of the gay community trying to push their agenda. I'm tired of them comparing themselves to oppressed minorities to try and drive home their cause. They're not a race of people. And I'm tired of them trying to use movies and television to try to normalize their abnormality.
I don't intend to present a fallacious slippery slope here, but seriously: if we extend "marriage" to be more than between a man and a woman, where do we draw the line? Why would it be okay Adam and Steve to be a couple and live happily ever after, while I'm not allowed to satiate all of my sexual feelings by having a harem or marrying a twelve-year-old? Or relatives or corpses or animals?
Also, as I've said in the past, a good government wants to promote child-birthing families. Most consider a steady birth rate to be a healthy thing for a country. If the government can give tax breaks to a married man and woman, those families will have more money, and thus are more likely to have children (and, perhaps more importantly, RAISE THEM WELL) because they are more capable of doing so. A gay or lesbian couple is not a child-birthing family.
Sure, there are "straight" couples that don't end up having children, and that's certainly a valid point. However, there does exist a rather sizable difference between the number of heterosexual couples with children same-sex couples. Allowing same-sex marriages changes the focus of marriage from the birth and raising of children to sexuality and legality (more so than it unfortunately already has been).
The best solution is most likely to abolish all government involvement with "marriage," and just call it to something more along the lines of "procreation support" instead (with maybe a couple other provisions for hospital visits, wills, and such). Problem solved. No more issues about same-sex marriages, and fewer financially-motivated marriages and divources damaging children's lives. Removing government involvement in marriage would take care of that entire big, terrible mess.
I think it should be legal everywhere cause these people also love each other as a "normal" couple. Than why shouldn't they marry as normal people.
Homosexuellity isn't just a idea our days it is as old as mankind herself, they are just an exception of the normal rules of evolution and like the adage says :
"ecxeptions approve the rules" so why not it is natural in a way. and why shouldn't tow men or women should adopt a child wouldn't they be good parents like a normal couple. our comunity is a lot more tollerant than it was 30 years ago.
Look its like everywhere what you do behind closed doors is your own thing.
For me to say in germany it's legal and that is good as I can say. why should tow people wich are loving each other shouldn't get married, just because they have the same gender?
I stay with it, it should be legal
so long