(this was a debate topic in class and my team won...also i was ranked first as
debator...) so what do you think?
well i say no, teenage criminals should not be sent to jail...i'm not saying
they go by unpunished but rather, not this way...it's known that 'Desperate
times call for desperate measures' so when a child steals or beats up another,
it's for different reasons than the crowd and media perceive...a child wouldn't
go around stealing if the gov provided them with money and he wouldn't beat up
anyone if there weren't bullies...so who is to blame?
hehehehhehe...i'm not writing anything...on junkii, i got into a debate with 2
members...i'm so not getting into another debate again, cause i said i don't
think teenage criminals should go to jail....ohh and all the questions
started...my blog on junkii got 40 comments...we were debating...but then we all
came to an agreement in the end...hhehehehhehehehehee
hahaha...great...i think we should present this arguement in
court...heheh...they would get convinced and stop kis from going to
jail...hahaha...brat...maybe if you stop 'flirtin with disaster' you won't get
into so much trouble
^^^^my sis called u a brat...hehehehheheheee...i'm 14 and she never called me a
brat!
LOL....hehehehehheheee.j/k...she actually does...heheheheheheee..let's keep this
little secret between us disaster maker kay...hehehehe LOLzzzzzz
i call anyone i happen to be fond of a brat (esp if they're
younger)...lools...no offense you little disaster flirt...besides i'm 17
too...hahah...and sis, you brat...stop teasin the guy...hehehe...;)
delinquint...dictionary definition: someone, esp a young person who breaks the
law or behaves in a way that society does not approve of...
(kids who make trouble in school and get detention are also considered school
delinquents, but i'm discussing matters more serious that school and bullying,
rather stealing and hotwiring cars...you can pick one aspect and tell me why he
should or shouldn't get busted and thrown in jail)...
well i think it depends on the situation and plus when they do get sent to jail
it is a jail for 16-24yr olds so its not A$$ raping adult jail but really what
should the court do when someone is in and out of trouble, serious trouble like
arson, breaking and entry, attempted man slaughter? Slap them on the hand and
put them back in a juvinile detention center which obviously isn't that bad if
they are will to commit the crimes when out again. its a tough call.... really
the parents should be steppin' in to the picture but thats a whole nother rant
I'm 17 and work in retail and am constantly dealing with little (cough)
delinquent kids, kids that are 12-16 who on a maturity scale make me feel like
I'm 30 something! It really is ridiculous how pathetic some people can
act.
One kid we caught was taking silly string.....a $3 can of fun. Picked it up and
put it in his pocket, we missed him leaving but he stupidly walked past the shop
10 minutes later and we grabbed him, called security, the police and his father.
When asked why he did it he simply said "because I thought I'd get away
with it". The bull**** thing about society and the law is half the time
people CAN get away with it. Criminals have more rights than victims! Even more
so if they are underaged.
The laws say that your not an adult until your 18 and you don't understand the
consequences of your actions until then. It's not true! A 12 year old stealing
chewing gum.....fully aware of what he was doing, the police said he was too
young for them to really do anything (my manager doesn't like dishonest
people.....he will ensure they are taken care of swiftly, regardless of age or
otherwise!). I'm not suggesting an instant jail term but harsher punishments
need to be set up for underage crimes.
The youth in the area I live are slowly become worse in behaviour and there are
many kids who I really think could be locked up and not missed by anyone, kids
who are throwing their lives away, making others lives harder and may never
contribute to society, do such people really deserve equal rights?
here in virginia, if you're 14 and the crime is bad enough you are tried as an
adult. if you are convicted, go directly to jail. do not pass go, do not collect
$200.
well, me and my freinds have all had our share of delequency. my friend brian is
in a richmond correctional facility (for many charges) and will get out the 1st
of November on good behavoir, mike is still on probation, david is in trouble
with the ATF/FBI for a sawn off shotgun (it doenst work but still), jason had
been charged with alcohol possesion, and i've been fined for destruction of
property. deliquents unite! hahaha.
Quote by maverickmechanichere in
virginia, if you're 14 and the crime is bad enough you are tried as an adult. if
you are convicted, go directly to jail. do not pass go, do not collect $200.
well, me and my freinds have all had our share of delequency. my friend brian is
in a richmond correctional facility (for many charges) and will get out the 1st
of November on good behavoir, mike is still on probation, david is in trouble
with the ATF/FBI for a sawn off shotgun (it doenst work but still), jason had
been charged with alcohol possesion, and i've been fined for destruction of
property. deliquents unite! hahaha.
i just pray that you are not serious ....what you do now will haunt you for the
rest of your life my bro was tried as an adult and has been in jail since he was
15 and he is going to be 23 now and is supposed to be out next year and you
better believe that he wishes he had behaved differently
I for one think that they should be sent to jail. If they are doing these things
because they like them, then theyre gonna keep doing them. Its better to stop
them when theyre young than when theyre older and have probably killed someone.
but thats just my opinion
yeah but i wasnt charged and i dont do that much stuff now. brian and mike are
the ones who are screwed. jason too. but i'm a welder. the biggest problem that
the welding industry faces now is retirees and people who cant go a day without
getting high off their ass. and i dont do that. i may like to break shit but
doing drugs is just stupid. i've got better things to do. like work on cars,
hang with my friends, and blow stuff up (except now i use my stuff. i aint
paying again) the law i break the most now is the speed limit. hehehehe. One
foot on the peddle but never on the brake. I'm a moving violation. haha.
Quote by maverickmechanicyeah
but i wasnt charged and i dont do that much stuff now. brian and mike are the
ones who are screwed. jason too. but i'm a welder. the biggest problem that the
welding industry faces now is retirees and people who cant go a day without
getting high off their ass. and i dont do that. i may like to break shit but
doing drugs is just stupid. i've got better things to do. like work on cars,
hang with my friends, and blow stuff up (except now i use my stuff. i aint
paying again)
good for you not everyone realizes its time to start growing up and take
responsibility for their actions till its too late
My oppinion doesn't much matter on the subject. personally my oppinion leads
that all human life should be destroyed. that, or come closer to nature like
neko girls or fox girls or boys why not. either way the race of humanity must
come to an end. but juvinile delinquants are only charged with lower sentences.
for theft, violence, drug possesion, or oher minor inncedents. they should not
face inprisonment. agrreable however they need consequences.
well as Youkailady said it depends on what has been done.. let the punishment
fit the crime...if they murder someone then they should for sure get jail and
the death penalty.. if they steal a slap on the wrist and so on.. it just
depends on the severity of the crime
I see this crap all the time up in highschool not too long ago. Fights break out
in the school and in the streets outside the school and surrounding buildings.
Complete chaos and stuff. If I were a cop, I'd put them in jail for shorter
years cuz thier just kids. Speaking of police, the cops would be occasionally
called in by the school in violent situations, ocurring like twice every two
weeks!
well here in australia, if you are under the age of 18 you go to Juvenile
detention centre or something along the lines of that, depending on how severe
the crime is
If they are a danger to people around them and the public then yes, they
should.
As for murder, there isnt the death penalty here, most of the time its 25 years,
honestly, if they kill someone they should spend the rest of their lives rotting
in a cell
Quote by littlejonny100I'm 17 and
work in retail and am constantly dealing with little (cough) delinquent kids,
kids that are 12-16 who on a maturity scale make me feel like I'm 30 something!
It really is ridiculous how pathetic some people can act.
One kid we caught was taking silly string.....a $3 can of fun. Picked it up and
put it in his pocket, we missed him leaving but he stupidly walked past the shop
10 minutes later and we grabbed him, called security, the police and his father.
When asked why he did it he simply said "because I thought I'd get away
with it". The bull**** thing about society and the law is half the time
people CAN get away with it. Criminals have more rights than victims! Even more
so if they are underaged.
The laws say that your not an adult until your 18 and you don't understand the
consequences of your actions until then. It's not true! A 12 year old stealing
chewing gum.....fully aware of what he was doing, the police said he was too
young for them to really do anything (my manager doesn't like dishonest
people.....he will ensure they are taken care of swiftly, regardless of age or
otherwise!). I'm not suggesting an instant jail term but harsher punishments
need to be set up for underage crimes.
The youth in the area I live are slowly become worse in behaviour and there are
many kids who I really think could be locked up and not missed by anyone, kids
who are throwing their lives away, making others lives harder and may never
contribute to society, do such people really deserve equal
rights?
well, you do have a point there...i guess you are right...but then again let's
say two kid get into a fight...one of them a bully and the other a kid who is
..well.. victim...and then the victim grabs a baseball bat and hits his
aggressor with it, then the aggressor accidentaly dies (lol) and the victi goes
to jail (this is a real story by the way..a.nd it happened in some fastfood
restaurant...with people there who didn't even bother to interfere os adults who
took matters into their own hands) is it fair that thevictim who was 13 spend
years in jail for what? self defense? shouldn't those people who were just
watching also be responsible for not stopping them?
I'd say it depends on the crime. Someone who repeatedly commits crimes should be
locked away either in prison or juvenile depending on the severity and number of
offenses. A child (<18yrs old) that knowingly kills or attempts to kill
another should be treated as an adult to drive home the fact that what they did
was wrong and that they will be punished for it regardless of where or how they
grew up. Shoplifters (or their parents) should be required to pay for double
what they take regardless of whether or not they return the item. As for the
example cited by Lionhearted911, the instant the bat was picked up an adult
should have stepped in. Problem is that too many people don't give a d#$% about
anytning but themselves so they try to distance themselves not realizing that
all they are doing is contributing to the problem.
The posts here are very long... Not that they shouldn't be since this is a
serious topic for discussion. I see some being of the opinion that "Yes
they should be locked up because they should be able to take responsibility for
their actions" and others saying "It depends on the seriousness of the
crime" though the Lionhearted said "No they shouldn't since there is
always a reason for the crime". I'd tend to say no, we shouldn't be too
tough on them (and throwing them into jail is definitely too tough on them) but
not because of Lionhearted's reasoning. Adults also mostly have reasons for
committing crimes, so that reason doesn't hold too well.
Though I'm sure people don't like to hear me say this, research has shown that a
very large proportion of delinquent youths actually do grow up to become rather
well-adjusted socially. This means they don't "make others lives harder and
never contribute to society" as adults. An argument presented by someone by
the name of Moffitt is that during adolescence, there exists something called a
"maturity gap". Basically, it means adolescents feel they have matured
biologically but still cannot seem to get a position of responsibility befitting
their maturity. In order to feel a sense of control and responsibility over
their lives and gain access to "mature" rewards, they turn to
delinquency. Most would then turn away from delinquency once they get their
"positions of responsibility"... Positions of responsibility is in
" " simply because I can't think of a better term... Back to the
argument... If punishments were too harsh, it may be difficult for these
delinquents to attain desirable "positions of responsibility". How
would a person be able to keep up if he spent 5 long years in jail at a time
everyone else is learning new skills to get jobs? Besides, its well known that
employers prefer people without criminal records. Wouldn't harsher punishments
then cause more crimes in the future?
Of course, one could argue that harsher punishments should be implemented
because that would essentially keep these kids out of delinquency to begin
with... There hasn't been a study that can show that this will or will not
happen. However, studies have shown that general adult crime rates do not fall
just because harsher sentences have been imposed. Since adults use logic more
than emotion when compared to adolescents, harsher sentences would have a larger
effect on adults than they will have on adolescents. I'd say harsher sentences
wouldn't decrease delinquency rates by a significant amount. Overall, I'd say we
have a very convincing argument not to impose punishments that are too harsh on
juvenile delinquents. Isn't it logically the case since most states in the world
do not punish adolescents too harshly? If it was better to increase punishment
many states would have done so already. States are generally cold-blooded
beauracracies more interested in their own overall well-being than the
well-being of individuals. The reduced punishment for adolescents is definitely
more socially viable.
How about adults? Basically, research does show that its more difficult for an
adult to be "reformed" when compared with adolescents. The harsher
punishment is then justifiable. But then this is off-topic so I won't talk too
much about it.
merged: 10-06-2006 ~ 09:32am
Yeah... and I do realise my post is a bit too long for people to actually wanna
read the whole thing...
(this was a debate topic in class and my team won...also i was ranked first as debator...) so what do you think?
well i say no, teenage criminals should not be sent to jail...i'm not saying they go by unpunished but rather, not this way...it's known that 'Desperate times call for desperate measures' so when a child steals or beats up another, it's for different reasons than the crowd and media perceive...a child wouldn't go around stealing if the gov provided them with money and he wouldn't beat up anyone if there weren't bullies...so who is to blame?
hehehehhehe...i'm not writing anything...on junkii, i got into a debate with 2 members...i'm so not getting into another debate again, cause i said i don't think teenage criminals should go to jail....ohh and all the questions started...my blog on junkii got 40 comments...we were debating...but then we all came to an agreement in the end...hhehehehhehehehehee
no cause i'd be in jail. haha the system fails again!
hahaha...great...i think we should present this arguement in court...heheh...they would get convinced and stop kis from going to jail...hahaha...brat...maybe if you stop 'flirtin with disaster' you won't get into so much trouble
brat? i'm 17
lol
^^^^my sis called u a brat...hehehehheheheee...i'm 14 and she never called me a brat!
LOL....hehehehehheheee.j/k...she actually does...heheheheheheee..let's keep this little secret between us disaster maker kay...hehehehe LOLzzzzzz
define deliquent and will tell you whether or not your definition of deliquent should go to jail or not.
No, they should be sent to prison.
merged: 10-05-2006 ~ 01:34pm
yes there is a difference.
i call anyone i happen to be fond of a brat (esp if they're younger)...lools...no offense you little disaster flirt...besides i'm 17 too...hahah...and sis, you brat...stop teasin the guy...hehehe...;)
delinquint...dictionary definition: someone, esp a young person who breaks the law or behaves in a way that society does not approve of...
(kids who make trouble in school and get detention are also considered school delinquents, but i'm discussing matters more serious that school and bullying, rather stealing and hotwiring cars...you can pick one aspect and tell me why he should or shouldn't get busted and thrown in jail)...
oh nice to know you're fond of me.....kekekekkekekekee...hehehehhehehehe..(...)
well i think it depends on the situation and plus when they do get sent to jail it is a jail for 16-24yr olds so its not A$$ raping adult jail but really what should the court do when someone is in and out of trouble, serious trouble like arson, breaking and entry, attempted man slaughter? Slap them on the hand and put them back in a juvinile detention center which obviously isn't that bad if they are will to commit the crimes when out again. its a tough call.... really the parents should be steppin' in to the picture but thats a whole nother rant
I'm 17 and work in retail and am constantly dealing with little (cough) delinquent kids, kids that are 12-16 who on a maturity scale make me feel like I'm 30 something! It really is ridiculous how pathetic some people can act.
One kid we caught was taking silly string.....a $3 can of fun. Picked it up and put it in his pocket, we missed him leaving but he stupidly walked past the shop 10 minutes later and we grabbed him, called security, the police and his father. When asked why he did it he simply said "because I thought I'd get away with it". The bull**** thing about society and the law is half the time people CAN get away with it. Criminals have more rights than victims! Even more so if they are underaged.
The laws say that your not an adult until your 18 and you don't understand the consequences of your actions until then. It's not true! A 12 year old stealing chewing gum.....fully aware of what he was doing, the police said he was too young for them to really do anything (my manager doesn't like dishonest people.....he will ensure they are taken care of swiftly, regardless of age or otherwise!). I'm not suggesting an instant jail term but harsher punishments need to be set up for underage crimes.
The youth in the area I live are slowly become worse in behaviour and there are many kids who I really think could be locked up and not missed by anyone, kids who are throwing their lives away, making others lives harder and may never contribute to society, do such people really deserve equal rights?
here in virginia, if you're 14 and the crime is bad enough you are tried as an adult. if you are convicted, go directly to jail. do not pass go, do not collect $200.
well, me and my freinds have all had our share of delequency. my friend brian is in a richmond correctional facility (for many charges) and will get out the 1st of November on good behavoir, mike is still on probation, david is in trouble with the ATF/FBI for a sawn off shotgun (it doenst work but still), jason had been charged with alcohol possesion, and i've been fined for destruction of property. deliquents unite! hahaha.
i just pray that you are not serious ....what you do now will haunt you for the rest of your life my bro was tried as an adult and has been in jail since he was 15 and he is going to be 23 now and is supposed to be out next year and you better believe that he wishes he had behaved differently
I for one think that they should be sent to jail. If they are doing these things because they like them, then theyre gonna keep doing them. Its better to stop them when theyre young than when theyre older and have probably killed someone. but thats just my opinion
yeah but i wasnt charged and i dont do that much stuff now. brian and mike are the ones who are screwed. jason too. but i'm a welder. the biggest problem that the welding industry faces now is retirees and people who cant go a day without getting high off their ass. and i dont do that. i may like to break shit but doing drugs is just stupid. i've got better things to do. like work on cars, hang with my friends, and blow stuff up (except now i use my stuff. i aint paying again) the law i break the most now is the speed limit. hehehehe. One foot on the peddle but never on the brake. I'm a moving violation. haha.
good for you not everyone realizes its time to start growing up and take responsibility for their actions till its too late
My oppinion doesn't much matter on the subject. personally my oppinion leads that all human life should be destroyed. that, or come closer to nature like neko girls or fox girls or boys why not. either way the race of humanity must come to an end. but juvinile delinquants are only charged with lower sentences. for theft, violence, drug possesion, or oher minor inncedents. they should not face inprisonment. agrreable however they need consequences.
well as Youkailady said it depends on what has been done.. let the punishment fit the crime...if they murder someone then they should for sure get jail and the death penalty.. if they steal a slap on the wrist and so on.. it just depends on the severity of the crime
I see this crap all the time up in highschool not too long ago. Fights break out in the school and in the streets outside the school and surrounding buildings. Complete chaos and stuff. If I were a cop, I'd put them in jail for shorter years cuz thier just kids. Speaking of police, the cops would be occasionally called in by the school in violent situations, ocurring like twice every two weeks!
well here in australia, if you are under the age of 18 you go to Juvenile detention centre or something along the lines of that, depending on how severe the crime is
If they are a danger to people around them and the public then yes, they should.
As for murder, there isnt the death penalty here, most of the time its 25 years, honestly, if they kill someone they should spend the rest of their lives rotting in a cell
well, you do have a point there...i guess you are right...but then again let's say two kid get into a fight...one of them a bully and the other a kid who is ..well.. victim...and then the victim grabs a baseball bat and hits his aggressor with it, then the aggressor accidentaly dies (lol) and the victi goes to jail (this is a real story by the way..a.nd it happened in some fastfood restaurant...with people there who didn't even bother to interfere os adults who took matters into their own hands) is it fair that thevictim who was 13 spend years in jail for what? self defense? shouldn't those people who were just watching also be responsible for not stopping them?
I'd say it depends on the crime. Someone who repeatedly commits crimes should be locked away either in prison or juvenile depending on the severity and number of offenses. A child (<18yrs old) that knowingly kills or attempts to kill another should be treated as an adult to drive home the fact that what they did was wrong and that they will be punished for it regardless of where or how they grew up. Shoplifters (or their parents) should be required to pay for double what they take regardless of whether or not they return the item. As for the example cited by Lionhearted911, the instant the bat was picked up an adult should have stepped in. Problem is that too many people don't give a d#$% about anytning but themselves so they try to distance themselves not realizing that all they are doing is contributing to the problem.
The posts here are very long... Not that they shouldn't be since this is a serious topic for discussion. I see some being of the opinion that "Yes they should be locked up because they should be able to take responsibility for their actions" and others saying "It depends on the seriousness of the crime" though the Lionhearted said "No they shouldn't since there is always a reason for the crime". I'd tend to say no, we shouldn't be too tough on them (and throwing them into jail is definitely too tough on them) but not because of Lionhearted's reasoning. Adults also mostly have reasons for committing crimes, so that reason doesn't hold too well.
Though I'm sure people don't like to hear me say this, research has shown that a very large proportion of delinquent youths actually do grow up to become rather well-adjusted socially. This means they don't "make others lives harder and never contribute to society" as adults. An argument presented by someone by the name of Moffitt is that during adolescence, there exists something called a "maturity gap". Basically, it means adolescents feel they have matured biologically but still cannot seem to get a position of responsibility befitting their maturity. In order to feel a sense of control and responsibility over their lives and gain access to "mature" rewards, they turn to delinquency. Most would then turn away from delinquency once they get their "positions of responsibility"... Positions of responsibility is in " " simply because I can't think of a better term... Back to the argument... If punishments were too harsh, it may be difficult for these delinquents to attain desirable "positions of responsibility". How would a person be able to keep up if he spent 5 long years in jail at a time everyone else is learning new skills to get jobs? Besides, its well known that employers prefer people without criminal records. Wouldn't harsher punishments then cause more crimes in the future?
Of course, one could argue that harsher punishments should be implemented because that would essentially keep these kids out of delinquency to begin with... There hasn't been a study that can show that this will or will not happen. However, studies have shown that general adult crime rates do not fall just because harsher sentences have been imposed. Since adults use logic more than emotion when compared to adolescents, harsher sentences would have a larger effect on adults than they will have on adolescents. I'd say harsher sentences wouldn't decrease delinquency rates by a significant amount. Overall, I'd say we have a very convincing argument not to impose punishments that are too harsh on juvenile delinquents. Isn't it logically the case since most states in the world do not punish adolescents too harshly? If it was better to increase punishment many states would have done so already. States are generally cold-blooded beauracracies more interested in their own overall well-being than the well-being of individuals. The reduced punishment for adolescents is definitely more socially viable.
How about adults? Basically, research does show that its more difficult for an adult to be "reformed" when compared with adolescents. The harsher punishment is then justifiable. But then this is off-topic so I won't talk too much about it.
merged: 10-06-2006 ~ 09:32am
Yeah... and I do realise my post is a bit too long for people to actually wanna read the whole thing...