Then...
What is human?
What brings fundamental differences between human and other animals?
Moslem answer these questions in various ways.Easiest approaching in this
discussion is doing investigation connection naturality between human and
divinity properties. Every being,other than human,is one of Sign of Allah with
one divinity configuration that specific ,bounderd,definited that are
reflected.
On contrary, HUMAN REFLECT GOD AS GOD. that differs on animals,some divinity
properties are permanent manifestation while others hidden permanently.
In Human,All Divinity Properties exist, and some of its can be manifested when
situation concluded demands.
Quote by risingcrescentWhat brings
fundamental differences between human and other
animals?
Conversely perhaps there is nothing different between Man and Animal. The only
thing we might have is a superior mind. Even still does having a higher
intelligence guarantee survival?
We both eat, sleep, drink, mate, live, and die in much the same way as other
animals. Our basic human emotions have been found in other animals such as
aggression etc.
The only thing that in the beggining was different betwenn animals and us was
the opposable thumb. Then our brain capacity slowly risen and accrosed the years
we evolved. Well that's the evolution theory anyway.
In the Creation theory God made humans so that they can rule over all the other
living things in the garden of Eden.
If not (which, I suppose, would be most people's default answer), when did the
human species get his? At what stage during the evolutionary process did we get
it? It must have been after our common ancestor had split into "our"
species and that of the chimps. How did it happen?
Come to that, how do you define "soul"?
My answer to my own question would be, "how do you know animals doesn't
have a soul?" How can we prove or disprove they have one? Maybe theirs
function on a completely different level than ours. I don't know, but I'm open
for suggestions (but no metaphorical explanations like "God made Adam from
dirt and breathed on him to make him come alive").
Of course this all rests on the assumption that we humans are somehow the
pinnacle of creation. That pretty much makes us the most arrogant of living
things if nothing else.
We are at the top of the food chain (well unless you go walking in the woods
alone or swimming with sharks) so maybe we assume we are better?
We have souls/spirits so we are more complete?
joemighty asked about what the soul/spirit might be. It could be just the energy
that allows us to live in which case all creatures have one or it could be some
internal force given to us by a higher spirit in which case why wouldn't that
spirit given it to all things.
My belief is that we are not better or more like God than other creatures but we
were entrusted with the stewardship of this world and all that it contains and
have therefore been given abilities above and beyond them. Too bad we are doing
a piss poor job.
From a logical standpoint, there is no clear-cut way of defining humans or
humanity. Do we define ourselves by our physical appearance? In that case babies
born without limbs are not human. By genetic code? But all humans are unique in
terms of this, and some animal species are genetically similar to us. By
intelligence, morality, etc? Then what of mongoloids, retards, immoral men, etc?
The question, 'what makes us human?', has been debated by philosophers for
centuries yet we still lack a definite answer.
In my honest opinion, there is little or no distiinction b/w humans and
so-called animals. There is no point in classifying humanity as a uniue group
called 'humans', and everything else as 'animals'. The former is a subset of the
latter, not a seperate entity. Humans as a species ARE, especially in the eyes
of science, animals. There is no way around that. Furthermore, at our core,
there is little difference. As stated in cyberdragon's earlier post, we have the
same base emotions and instincts, we eat and defecate and copulate as all other
'animals' do. That we are so much more intelligent, that build structures the
size of mountains and bombs enough to crack worlds, is ultimately irrelevant
we have similarity in some aspect with animals.
but we are not animal.
My intention to write this thread, I want to make those who read this thread,
will be know what Islam's viewing in human.
Of course,there are many must be written, but it will fine, going little by
little.
I am too consume much time to understand it.
If you want faster. you can read vision of Islam by sachiko murata, teacher in
NY university.
Well, I have aaall my faith in Humanity, but I like animals better... I love
them! Humans are... more dangerous.
Well, I remenmber that good old Otto, a Phylosophy teacher at University, said
that some currents teach that the difference beteween Humans and animals is that
we, at about age 5 start having CONSCIUSNESS OF THE SELF.
Being Human includes the POTENTIAL of reaching that CONCIUSSNESS... so babies,
embryos, fetuses and mentally challenged people also fit in
"Humankind". And should be respected for that, giving them all the
Human rigths.
And, of course, there are the 2% of genes that separets us from
chimps...
There's something about the SOUL... some currents in Catholicism state that
everithing that is alive has a soul... but at diferent levels... Because
whatever is alive, has the misteriuos spark of life that NONE Human scientist
has been able to recreate artificially. But human soul is especial... the only
one that that questions, and have always looked for answers.
So, the Human soul could be the only one that HAS THE POTENTIAL of
SELF-COUNCIOUS, and after that, MORE IMPORTANT, GETTING CONCIOUSS ABOUT THE
EXISTENCE AND NEEDS OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND THE FEELING THAT THERE'S IS SOMETHING
BEYOND.
Once you think about it, humans aren't really that different from animals. Human
like animals, both have emotions, though some display in it different
ways.
Humans are corrupt in a lot of ways whether you deem it or not. Just like an
animal would pursuit something non stop, a human would also too.
Yes, but we are supposed to be CONCIENT of our actions, and of their
consecuences. And to be concient of the other people.
Yes, 90% of Humanity doesn't do that. That's why we're living in a world like
this.
But what in animals are called EMOTIONS, in Humans is suppossed to be called
FEELINGS. They do not mean exactly the same.
We follow instincts also, but in our case, we don't know HOW to use the instinct
for good. Animals follow their instintc in a perfect way (unless they are sick
or something). We use our INSTINCT AS THE PUPPET MASTER OF OUR INTELLIGENCE.
That's why Humans are so destructive.
Well, I have aaall my faith in Humanity, but I like animals better... I love
them! Humans are... more dangerous.
Well, I remenmber that good old Otto, a Phylosophy teacher at University, said
that some currents teach that the difference beteween Humans and animals is that
we, at about age 5 start having CONSCIUSNESS OF THE SELF.
yes,consciousness to AWARE what Realities covered from human
I want to write this later
Quote:
Once you think about it, humans aren\'t really that different from animals.
Human like animals, both have emotions, though some display in it different
ways.
Humans are corrupt in a lot of ways whether you deem it or not. Just like an
animal would pursuit something non stop, a human would also
too.
really?
then why animals cannotdevelop science.cannot develop civilization?
we can determine what animals outcome /future.
but facing group human, we dont knwo what will they become. There are infinite
possibilities. They can become holy man like prophet, also they can become most
evil animal on earth.
the question is : do you want to become like animal or would you like to become
like prophet?
Quote: But what in animals are
called EMOTIONS, in Humans is suppossed to be called FEELINGS. They do not mean
exactly the same.
We follow instincts also, but in our case, we don't know HOW to use the instinct
for good. Animals follow their instintc in a perfect way (unless they are sick
or something). We use our INSTINCT AS THE PUPPET MASTER OF OUR INTELLIGENCE.
That's why Humans are so destructive.
Emotions and feelings, yes they are pretty different, and how does a animal not
have those? A mother bear would care for their cub like a parent would with
their child. (not literally the same way)
Quote: really?
then why animals cannotdevelop science.cannot develop civilization?
we can determine what animals outcome /future.
A civilization does not have to be what you think. Their development of
civilization is what their animal community is, to us their savage, and to them
we are. When you think about it, a bear will attack because it thinks you're a
threat. You either attack or run because you think it's a threat. To an animal,
they think we're savage because we kill for food and other purposes, and same
goes the other way around.
Quote: but facing group human, we
dont knwo what will they become. There are infinite possibilities. They can
become holy man like prophet, also they can become most evil animal on
earth.
the question is : do you want to become like animal or would you like to become
like prophet?
When you think about it, there aren't infinite possibilities, and also we're all
animals at heart and all prophets turn to lies.
Stand in front of the mirror and you'll see one. In the most literal
sense.
Quote by risingcrescent
What brings fundamental differences between human and other animals?
Humans stand on two legs while most animals don't (even monkeys still tend to
use their forelimbs to aid walking). Humans also possess the potential to
creative thinking and to better themselves. Animals don't.
Quote:
Emotions and feelings, yes they are pretty different, and how does a animal not
have those? A mother bear would care for their cub like a parent would with
their child. (not literally the same way)
I have said to you. Human and animals have similarity in some aspect, like
caring...
Quote: en you think about it, there
aren\'t infinite possibilities, and also we\'re all animals at heart and all
prophets turn to lies.
when someone choose animal life than prophet life system. Then they would become
animal society...
Quote:
Stand in front of the mirror and you\'ll see one. In the most literal
sense.
by doing that,we only see our physical apperrance:)
Quote:
Humans stand on two legs while most animals don\'t (even monkeys still tend to
use their forelimbs to aid walking). Humans also possess the potential to
creative thinking and to better themselves. Animals don\'t.
Quote: when someone choose animal
life than prophet life system. Then they would become animal
society...
How can you not see it, we're already like an animal society, we're destroying
our own world slowly and we aren't doing anything about it. How are we not that
different from an animal?
Quote:
How can you not see it, we're already like an animal society, we're destroying
our own world slowly and we aren't doing anything about it. How are we not that
different from an animal?
because,if we have true humanity society,current society cannot be called animal
society,can it?
you can try to find humanity society,....if you can.
but you only find that in religion that you reject...
Society huh? How many animals have social groupings with a social structure
where the basic rule is do good for the group. I can think of about 15 off the
top of my head ranging from apes, monkeys, and wolves down to insects such as
ants and bees. Different groups can even get into fights over territory. How is
this different from human societies?
Well, at leats animals don't make weapon of massive destruction, like a nuclear
bomb, why humans always want to make something like that? why humans want to
conquer everything in their ways?
at least animals don't do that.
Well I was gonna say something, but seeing the other posts I don't think
anything is needed.
Quote: you can try to find
humanity society,....if you can.
but you only find that in religion that you reject...
Are you seriously that obsessed with religion... religion has nothing to do with
this actually... When you think about it, we were comparing animals and humans,
and now you just pop in religion that has nothing to do with it.
Quote by risingcrescentyou can try
to find humanity society,....if you can.
but you only find that in religion that you reject...
Are
you seriously that obsessed with religion... religion has nothing to do with
this actually... When you think about it, we were comparing animals and humans,
and now you just pop in religion that has nothing to do with it.
I concur. Anyway, we were human before we
"discovered" religion.
Quote by DarkRoseofHellHow can you
not see it, we're already like an animal society, we're destroying our own world
slowly and we aren't doing anything about it. How are we not that different from
an animal?
With all due respect...things aren't that bad
yet. A very dramatic, but completely empty statement. Are you going to turn your
back on this "animal society" with all its technological perks and go
live the life of a hermit in some junle or on some mountain top just because of
this "animal society"?
Take a look at history for a change - human nature hasn't changed in 7000 years
of civilization. The whole point of civilization was to make nature liveable for
man - basically to create a safe base for man. Civilization is literally carved
out of nature. The only way to have avoided this was for the first Homo Erectus
to have been eaten by something big with many teeth and to have had the whole
ascendence of man stopped in its tracks.
Quote: But what in animals are called EMOTIONS, in Humans
is suppossed to be called FEELINGS. They do not mean exactly the same.
We follow instincts also, but in our case, we don't know HOW to use the instinct
for good. Animals follow their instintc in a perfect way (unless they are sick
or something). We use our INSTINCT AS THE PUPPET MASTER OF OUR INTELLIGENCE.
That's why Humans are so destructive.
Emotions and feelings, yes they are pretty different, and how does a animal not
have those? A mother bear would care for their cub like a parent would with
their child. (not literally the same way).
Good point. I have raised about a dozen abandoned kittens I've found, and each
animal has a different personality. Anyone who has had an animal knows that they
show emotions, if not feelings. You can easily know when an animal is happy or
sad.
But first time I thougth about this was when I read in a magazine that there's a
science called Etology, that compares emotions between animals and Humans.
Darwin was one of the precursos of this science, stating that animals and Humans
are not very different at emotional level.
Here, in Yucatan, Mexico, is legendary the love of the tortolitas. They are very
small doves with the color of soil. They choose a mate for life, and when one of
the two dies, the other feels great pain, remaining near the corpse for several
days.
Maybe the difference is that Humans know the "why" and "what to
do" of their feelings. EXCEPT WHEN WE FALL IN LOVE. THEN WE BECOME COMPLETE
IDIOTS.
Quote: really?
then why animals cannotdevelop science.cannot develop civilization?
we can determine what animals outcome /future.
I have always thougth that dolphins are smarter than us. Someone asked me:
"Oh, yeah?" "So how comes that they don't build things, have
cities nor political organizations?"
WELL, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE REEEEEALLY SMARTER THAN US. Perhaps we'll
never know.
Quote: but facing group human, we dont knwo what will they
become. There are infinite possibilities. They can become holy man like prophet,
also they can become most evil animal on earth.
the question is : do you want to become like animal or would you like to become
like prophet?
When you think about it, there aren't infinite possibilities, and also we're all
animals at heart and all prophets turn to lies.
Yes, we may be animals at hearth, BUT NO, NOT ALL PROPHETS TURN TO LIES. I think
that what risingcrescent tried to say is that humans are the only animals who
searchs for the ultimate explanation of all things, and that has always drove us
to recognize a divinity, and an afterlife. (Don't hate me, DarkRosefromHell,
this is out of the topic, but to clearify risingcrescent point of view: a
prophet IS NOT SOMEONE THAT FORETOLDS THE FUTURE. A PROPHET IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS
ABOUT GOD AND SPREADS HIS WORD. So ANYONE who has a religion has the mission of
becoming a prophet. Like a cathequist).
Quote by Mireya2EXCEPT WHEN WE FALL IN
LOVE. THEN WE BECOME COMPLETE IDIOTS.
In the words of an oft
quoted but unknown philosopher "Aint that the truth"
Quote by mireya2I have always thougth
that dolphins are smarter than us. Someone asked me: "Oh, yeah?"
"So how comes that they don't build things, have cities nor political
organizations?"
WELL, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE REEEEEALLY SMARTER THAN US. Perhaps we'll
never know.
Well lets see - Eat fish, swim, play, beat the
crap out of the occasional shark. I don't see any problems with that lifestyle.
Reminds me of a recent Indian American joke: "When Indians were in charge
women cleaned, cooked, and raised the children, men hunted and fished, and the
medicine man was free. White man dumb enough to think he could improve a system
like that!
Quote:
Society huh? How many animals have social groupings with a social structure
where the basic rule is do good for the group. I can think of about 15 off the
top of my head ranging from apes, monkeys, and wolves down to insects such as
ants and bees. Different groups can even get into fights over territory. How is
this different from human societies?
real true humanity-strongs dont eat the weak. but they are one big family.
Like Life in Rainforests.Everyone depends on each other.
like utopia,they dont have destructive energy, because they can use their energy
into goods like pursuing knowledge about self.
No one racist in tere.
Quote:
Well, at leats animals don't make weapon of massive destruction, like a nuclear
bomb, why humans always want to make something like that? why humans want to
conquer everything in their ways?
at least animals don't do that.
because humans have power,desire,and rational minds, also heart where
spirituality lives...
they have power to develop,or to destroy...
Quote:
Are you seriously that obsessed with religion... religion has nothing to do with
this actually... When you think about it, we were comparing animals and humans,
and now you just pop in religion that has nothing to do with
it.
please dont jump into conclusion so quickly.
There are so much I want tell you..
Quote:
I concur. Anyway, we were human before we "discovered"
religion.
religion is not invention
Quote:
With all due respect...things aren't that bad yet. A very dramatic, but
completely empty statement. Are you going to turn your back on this "animal
society" with all its technological perks and go live the life of a hermit
in some junle or on some mountain top just because of this "animal
society"?
Take a look at history for a change - human nature hasn't changed in 7000 years
of civilization. The whole point of civilization was to make nature liveable for
man - basically to create a safe base for man. Civilization is literally carved
out of nature. The only way to have avoided this was for the first Homo Erectus
to have been eaten by something big with many teeth and to have had the whole
ascendence of man stopped in its tracks.
I am sorry.
is not secular world animal society,is it?- no religion in there, if the
religion didnt exist they move their face into animal similarity life. because
they dont have fear and hope again into religion.
and religion? what religion can brng justice,can explain everything, can save
human from morality destruction like free sex,drugs,etc?
advancement in technology ,is only material aspect in human world.
We want to evaluate,how good their life,acting,minds,protection against
"low-desires",the abilities to catch hints light in the
life,etc.
Quote:
Yes, we may be animals at hearth, BUT NO, NOT ALL PROPHETS TURN TO LIES. I think
that what risingcrescent tried to say is that humans are the only animals who
searchs for the ultimate explanation of all things, and that has always drove us
to recognize a divinity, and an afterlife. (Don't hate me, DarkRosefromHell,
this is out of the topic, but to clearify risingcrescent point of view: a
prophet IS NOT SOMEONE THAT FORETOLDS THE FUTURE. A PROPHET IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS
ABOUT GOD AND SPREADS HIS WORD. So ANYONE who has a religion has the mission of
becoming a prophet. Like a cathequist).
to Follow and have similarity prophet ,precisely.
Animal persoalities in our heart could be destroyed if someone follow their
religion and prophet"s hints.
Because prophet represent divinity personalities and satan represent lost from
God .Desires are manifestation of satan. Animal desires/personalities are one of
it.
If you still sceptic, then try compare between prophet and satan/animal
acting-to prove what we talked right or wrong.
in future,you will be surprised.this light is really exist in beautiness
someone"personalities.
Quote: Yes, we may be animals at
hearth, BUT NO, NOT ALL PROPHETS TURN TO LIES. I think that what risingcrescent
tried to say is that humans are the only animals who searchs for the ultimate
explanation of all things, and that has always drove us to recognize a divinity,
and an afterlife. (Don't hate me, DarkRosefromHell, this is out of the topic,
but to clearify risingcrescent point of view: a prophet IS NOT SOMEONE THAT
FORETOLDS THE FUTURE. A PROPHET IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS ABOUT GOD AND SPREADS HIS
WORD. So ANYONE who has a religion has the mission of becoming a prophet. Like a
cathequist).
Well, the thing is, we don't really know a lot
about god to say anything about him. We never met him, never seen him, and so
on. I know what rising meant as a prophet. He keeps turning to religion even
though this topic should not have anything to do with religion at the first
part...
Then...
What is human?
What brings fundamental differences between human and other animals?
Moslem answer these questions in various ways.Easiest approaching in this discussion is doing investigation connection naturality between human and divinity properties. Every being,other than human,is one of Sign of Allah with one divinity configuration that specific ,bounderd,definited that are reflected.
On contrary, HUMAN REFLECT GOD AS GOD. that differs on animals,some divinity properties are permanent manifestation while others hidden permanently.
In Human,All Divinity Properties exist, and some of its can be manifested when situation concluded demands.
Conversely perhaps there is nothing different between Man and Animal. The only thing we might have is a superior mind. Even still does having a higher intelligence guarantee survival?
We both eat, sleep, drink, mate, live, and die in much the same way as other animals. Our basic human emotions have been found in other animals such as aggression etc.
Maybe we're not so different after all
Just a thought.
And that's my two yen.
The only thing that in the beggining was different betwenn animals and us was the opposable thumb. Then our brain capacity slowly risen and accrosed the years we evolved. Well that's the evolution theory anyway.
In the Creation theory God made humans so that they can rule over all the other living things in the garden of Eden.
You might as well ask, "do animals have a soul?"
If not (which, I suppose, would be most people's default answer), when did the human species get his? At what stage during the evolutionary process did we get it? It must have been after our common ancestor had split into "our" species and that of the chimps. How did it happen?
Come to that, how do you define "soul"?
My answer to my own question would be, "how do you know animals doesn't have a soul?" How can we prove or disprove they have one? Maybe theirs function on a completely different level than ours. I don't know, but I'm open for suggestions (but no metaphorical explanations like "God made Adam from dirt and breathed on him to make him come alive").
Of course this all rests on the assumption that we humans are somehow the pinnacle of creation. That pretty much makes us the most arrogant of living things if nothing else.
We are at the top of the food chain (well unless you go walking in the woods alone or swimming with sharks) so maybe we assume we are better?
We have souls/spirits so we are more complete?
joemighty asked about what the soul/spirit might be. It could be just the energy that allows us to live in which case all creatures have one or it could be some internal force given to us by a higher spirit in which case why wouldn't that spirit given it to all things.
My belief is that we are not better or more like God than other creatures but we were entrusted with the stewardship of this world and all that it contains and have therefore been given abilities above and beyond them. Too bad we are doing a piss poor job.
From a logical standpoint, there is no clear-cut way of defining humans or humanity. Do we define ourselves by our physical appearance? In that case babies born without limbs are not human. By genetic code? But all humans are unique in terms of this, and some animal species are genetically similar to us. By intelligence, morality, etc? Then what of mongoloids, retards, immoral men, etc? The question, 'what makes us human?', has been debated by philosophers for centuries yet we still lack a definite answer.
In my honest opinion, there is little or no distiinction b/w humans and so-called animals. There is no point in classifying humanity as a uniue group called 'humans', and everything else as 'animals'. The former is a subset of the latter, not a seperate entity. Humans as a species ARE, especially in the eyes of science, animals. There is no way around that. Furthermore, at our core, there is little difference. As stated in cyberdragon's earlier post, we have the same base emotions and instincts, we eat and defecate and copulate as all other 'animals' do. That we are so much more intelligent, that build structures the size of mountains and bombs enough to crack worlds, is ultimately irrelevant
we have similarity in some aspect with animals.
but we are not animal.
My intention to write this thread, I want to make those who read this thread, will be know what Islam's viewing in human.
Of course,there are many must be written, but it will fine, going little by little.
I am too consume much time to understand it.
If you want faster. you can read vision of Islam by sachiko murata, teacher in NY university.
we know nothing about soul except little
I will write about soul-body later...
Hi again, risingcrecent...
Well, I have aaall my faith in Humanity, but I like animals better... I love them! Humans are... more dangerous.
Well, I remenmber that good old Otto, a Phylosophy teacher at University, said that some currents teach that the difference beteween Humans and animals is that we, at about age 5 start having CONSCIUSNESS OF THE SELF.
Being Human includes the POTENTIAL of reaching that CONCIUSSNESS... so babies, embryos, fetuses and mentally challenged people also fit in "Humankind". And should be respected for that, giving them all the Human rigths.
And, of course, there are the 2% of genes that separets us from chimps...
There's something about the SOUL... some currents in Catholicism state that everithing that is alive has a soul... but at diferent levels... Because whatever is alive, has the misteriuos spark of life that NONE Human scientist has been able to recreate artificially. But human soul is especial... the only one that that questions, and have always looked for answers.
So, the Human soul could be the only one that HAS THE POTENTIAL of SELF-COUNCIOUS, and after that, MORE IMPORTANT, GETTING CONCIOUSS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE AND NEEDS OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND THE FEELING THAT THERE'S IS SOMETHING BEYOND.
And of course, there's art... and manga.
Once you think about it, humans aren't really that different from animals. Human like animals, both have emotions, though some display in it different ways.
Humans are corrupt in a lot of ways whether you deem it or not. Just like an animal would pursuit something non stop, a human would also too.
Hi again, kid.
Yes, but we are supposed to be CONCIENT of our actions, and of their consecuences. And to be concient of the other people.
Yes, 90% of Humanity doesn't do that. That's why we're living in a world like this.
But what in animals are called EMOTIONS, in Humans is suppossed to be called FEELINGS. They do not mean exactly the same.
We follow instincts also, but in our case, we don't know HOW to use the instinct for good. Animals follow their instintc in a perfect way (unless they are sick or something). We use our INSTINCT AS THE PUPPET MASTER OF OUR INTELLIGENCE. That's why Humans are so destructive.
yes,consciousness to AWARE what Realities covered from human
I want to write this later
really?
then why animals cannotdevelop science.cannot develop civilization?
we can determine what animals outcome /future.
but facing group human, we dont knwo what will they become. There are infinite possibilities. They can become holy man like prophet, also they can become most evil animal on earth.
the question is : do you want to become like animal or would you like to become like prophet?
Emotions and feelings, yes they are pretty different, and how does a animal not have those? A mother bear would care for their cub like a parent would with their child. (not literally the same way)
A civilization does not have to be what you think. Their development of civilization is what their animal community is, to us their savage, and to them we are. When you think about it, a bear will attack because it thinks you're a threat. You either attack or run because you think it's a threat. To an animal, they think we're savage because we kill for food and other purposes, and same goes the other way around.
When you think about it, there aren't infinite possibilities, and also we're all animals at heart and all prophets turn to lies.
Stand in front of the mirror and you'll see one. In the most literal sense.
Humans stand on two legs while most animals don't (even monkeys still tend to use their forelimbs to aid walking). Humans also possess the potential to creative thinking and to better themselves. Animals don't.
I will leave the religious talk alone. Regards.
I have said to you. Human and animals have similarity in some aspect, like caring...
when someone choose animal life than prophet life system. Then they would become animal society...
by doing that,we only see our physical apperrance:)
yeah, why?
How can you not see it, we're already like an animal society, we're destroying our own world slowly and we aren't doing anything about it. How are we not that different from an animal?
because,if we have true humanity society,current society cannot be called animal society,can it?
you can try to find humanity society,....if you can.
but you only find that in religion that you reject...
Society huh? How many animals have social groupings with a social structure where the basic rule is do good for the group. I can think of about 15 off the top of my head ranging from apes, monkeys, and wolves down to insects such as ants and bees. Different groups can even get into fights over territory. How is this different from human societies?
Well, at leats animals don't make weapon of massive destruction, like a nuclear bomb, why humans always want to make something like that? why humans want to conquer everything in their ways?
at least animals don't do that.
Well I was gonna say something, but seeing the other posts I don't think anything is needed.
Are you seriously that obsessed with religion... religion has nothing to do with this actually... When you think about it, we were comparing animals and humans, and now you just pop in religion that has nothing to do with it.
I concur. Anyway, we were human before we "discovered" religion.
With all due respect...things aren't that bad yet. A very dramatic, but completely empty statement. Are you going to turn your back on this "animal society" with all its technological perks and go live the life of a hermit in some junle or on some mountain top just because of this "animal society"?
Take a look at history for a change - human nature hasn't changed in 7000 years of civilization. The whole point of civilization was to make nature liveable for man - basically to create a safe base for man. Civilization is literally carved out of nature. The only way to have avoided this was for the first Homo Erectus to have been eaten by something big with many teeth and to have had the whole ascendence of man stopped in its tracks.
Good point. I have raised about a dozen abandoned kittens I've found, and each animal has a different personality. Anyone who has had an animal knows that they show emotions, if not feelings. You can easily know when an animal is happy or sad.
But first time I thougth about this was when I read in a magazine that there's a science called Etology, that compares emotions between animals and Humans. Darwin was one of the precursos of this science, stating that animals and Humans are not very different at emotional level.
Here, in Yucatan, Mexico, is legendary the love of the tortolitas. They are very small doves with the color of soil. They choose a mate for life, and when one of the two dies, the other feels great pain, remaining near the corpse for several days.
Maybe the difference is that Humans know the "why" and "what to do" of their feelings. EXCEPT WHEN WE FALL IN LOVE. THEN WE BECOME COMPLETE IDIOTS.
I have always thougth that dolphins are smarter than us. Someone asked me: "Oh, yeah?" "So how comes that they don't build things, have cities nor political organizations?"
WELL, MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE REEEEEALLY SMARTER THAN US. Perhaps we'll never know.
Yes, we may be animals at hearth, BUT NO, NOT ALL PROPHETS TURN TO LIES. I think that what risingcrescent tried to say is that humans are the only animals who searchs for the ultimate explanation of all things, and that has always drove us to recognize a divinity, and an afterlife. (Don't hate me, DarkRosefromHell, this is out of the topic, but to clearify risingcrescent point of view: a prophet IS NOT SOMEONE THAT FORETOLDS THE FUTURE. A PROPHET IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS ABOUT GOD AND SPREADS HIS WORD. So ANYONE who has a religion has the mission of becoming a prophet. Like a cathequist).
In the words of an oft quoted but unknown philosopher "Aint that the truth"
Well lets see - Eat fish, swim, play, beat the crap out of the occasional shark. I don't see any problems with that lifestyle. Reminds me of a recent Indian American joke: "When Indians were in charge women cleaned, cooked, and raised the children, men hunted and fished, and the medicine man was free. White man dumb enough to think he could improve a system like that!
real true humanity-strongs dont eat the weak. but they are one big family.
Like Life in Rainforests.Everyone depends on each other.
like utopia,they dont have destructive energy, because they can use their energy into goods like pursuing knowledge about self.
No one racist in tere.
because humans have power,desire,and rational minds, also heart where spirituality lives...
they have power to develop,or to destroy...
please dont jump into conclusion so quickly.
There are so much I want tell you..
religion is not invention
I am sorry.
is not secular world animal society,is it?- no religion in there, if the religion didnt exist they move their face into animal similarity life. because they dont have fear and hope again into religion.
and religion? what religion can brng justice,can explain everything, can save human from morality destruction like free sex,drugs,etc?
advancement in technology ,is only material aspect in human world.
We want to evaluate,how good their life,acting,minds,protection against "low-desires",the abilities to catch hints light in the life,etc.
to Follow and have similarity prophet ,precisely.
Animal persoalities in our heart could be destroyed if someone follow their religion and prophet"s hints.
Because prophet represent divinity personalities and satan represent lost from God .Desires are manifestation of satan. Animal desires/personalities are one of it.
If you still sceptic, then try compare between prophet and satan/animal acting-to prove what we talked right or wrong.
in future,you will be surprised.this light is really exist in beautiness someone"personalities.
Well, the thing is, we don't really know a lot about god to say anything about him. We never met him, never seen him, and so on. I know what rising meant as a prophet. He keeps turning to religion even though this topic should not have anything to do with religion at the first part...