Issues about unlawful residents in certain places are one of the hottest issues i've been meaning to learn more about. i just read an article about it, the government are having a "clean-up drive of squatters" located near a train rail (also near a university vicinity), they're asking them to vacate the place. though the government offered a place for them to transfer their homes, (a government owned land), the government would be lending these "squatters" some money to build their homes. The gov't spread the military to ask (or even worse, to force) these people to leave the place soon,
now, these people are facing a big dilemma. since these so called "squatters" live near a train rails, they started making business with regards to using their environment (like trolley transportation via train rails, selling food,and other items etc. etc.)

the question is, if they'll ask these people to leave, wouldn't it also be taking away they're livelihood too? if ever they will leave, where will they get the money to pay the government back?

on the other hand, these people are illegal residents, occupying lands for free. The government are trying to give them a decent and legal place to live but these people are going back to being a squatter.

(i'm not sure if these people have issues with the students, since the place is near a university)

personally, It is hard to judge which should be done,
in an arguement, there's always two sides
I what to hear your opinion about it

Er... issues?
Bout what?

Personally, I want illegal squatters to leave their place because first of all, it's not their own property. Here in the Philippines, most squatters say that it's unfair for them to be driven out of "their" property but it's also unfair for the "true" owners of the land they think they "own".

But on the other hand, the authorities should do it in maximum tolerance because we don't want anyone to get hurt just to settle these problems. And of course, they should also provide a place, especially the government, that'll be a substitute for their place.

Hmm...
There wouldnt be any squatters
if our government isnt that corrupt
Because of the corruption going on...
The money that's supposed to help the
people ended up in the officials own pockets..

And in some cases the squatters are at fault as well
for using the land that does not belong to them..

Unfortunately they dont have their own land.. thats why
they are forced to use the land of others...

*sigh... really dont have a clear answer to this... '

Quote by RaiUnfortunately they dont have their own land.. thats why
they are forced to use the land of others...

actually, most squatters are from provinces, they have their own land to live on, but they prefer to be squatters here,

Well yeah...
but...

What I dont understand is..
Why do they have to move to
the city where they would have a
very hard time there...

When they have their own livelyhood
in the province...

Life in their own province would be much easier
compared to those who are in the city....
Since they are more familar with their own land...

Hmm...

Some of those people do not want to live in a house or apartment. They want to live like that, its what makes them comfortable. They should not be living on someone else's land but if they don't want to be forced into places like that they should not have to. Some times these people have a lot of money. In my city this one "homeless" person died and when they looked at everything he owned he in fact had a house. He never used it and it was run down so they decided to tare it down. When they did they found the man had tens of thousands of dollars. These people don't need a house, they need there own land to do with as they please. If they want a house let them build one, if they want a tent let them have one. If they want a box, it's their right.

Personally, I hate squatter areas. Damn free-loaders turn everywhere they settle on to a breeding ground for criminals. I'm not saying all of them are but I bet some fools here will say I implied it so I'd just be straight with it and say all of them mofos are no-good free-loading parasites that feed-off others.

One way of solving this:
BURN THEM TO THE GROUND

That's what they've been doing to Payatas and those other places so why not just burn 'em all. Hell, the gov't is good at covering things up, right, let's just say some drunk fool knocked over a candle and the rest is history. Problem solved... or we can just let them be, they'd kill each other anyways, poor inbreds.

Quote by raiWhat I dont understand is..
Why do they have to move to
the city where they would have a
very hard time there...

because they believe that they can get big opportunities here in the big city (Manila) which is true, but only for those who're competitive enough, you know people, not satisfied with just enough, they mostly want more.

Something that is
refered to as "Greed"

Of course... so many problems are involved that's why people are forced to live that way.

Well... it's really a simple problem but hard to solve cuz of what you call... pride.

Quote by jakulito
One way of solving this:
BURN THEM TO THE GROUND

I disagree with that idea.

Yes, it is true that it had become a place nested by most criminals but not all, the problem is that, they have no place to go, a place where they can afford to live that is why they stay in places that they don't own. We cannot deny the fact for example the philippines, the fact that the country is composed of the poor in majority. It is not totally their fault, it's the government's miss use of the budget, the taxes from the people. If only those people who are uneducated be given a chance for free education, then they won't need to be like that. There is not enough services that the government is giving. Even the education now is being commercialized!

If only the government will give this problem a great effort, not only giving them a place to be able to stay but also an alternative means of livelihood for the people.

It is not enough to just lend the people money, where would the people get the money for the payment for that debt? That is the reason why the people that are supposed to be relocated can't accept that kind of deal.

I am not saying that the government should stop the relocation, what I am going to is that, the government should give enough benefits so that the people could recover from the loss of means of livelihood, etc.

Quote by myangelnoliYes, it is true that it had become a place nested by most criminals but not all, the problem is that, they have no place to go, a place where they can afford to live that is why they stay in places that they don't own. We cannot deny the fact for example the philippines, the fact that the country is composed of the poor in majority. It is not totally their fault, it's the government's miss use of the budget, the taxes from the people. If only those people who are uneducated be given a chance for free education, then they won't need to be like that. There is not enough services that the government is giving. Even the education now is being commercialized!

Even though the government's misuse of the budget is one factor, you can't deny the fact that those who live in the squatters area DON'T pay taxes. I'm not saying that these people are bad but because they are using those lands they don't own, the majority can't have any benefit on these. And not just that, you'll see that these peepz are complete in terms of appliances and some (I guess) are also illegal in terms of electricity and water supply which they only benefit for themselves. And you know, like the above posts said, most peepz from the squatters area came from provinces who thinked they have their future in the city. They left their own lands there just to be squatters here...

Quote: If only the government will give this problem a great effort, not only giving them a place to be able to stay but also an alternative means of livelihood for the people.

That would be good but those people'll just say that the government'll deprive their rights, which is stupid. Sorry... but they are also depriving the rights of the true owners to use their own lands.

Quote: It is not enough to just lend the people money, where would the people get the money for the payment for that debt? That is the reason why the people that are supposed to be relocated can't accept that kind of deal.

Of course it's not enough for them to lend some money, what they need is a real relocation site and the money, they'll use it to built a new house (if the relocation site has none) and establish a small business...

Quote: I am not saying that the government should stop the relocation, what I am going to is that, the government should give enough benefits so that the people could recover from the loss of means of livelihood, etc.

That's right... but also, those people from the squatters area should not depend much on the government cuz they're not the only problems in the country. They also should work for them to recover...

Evicting squatters is a bandaid, not a solution. It's a way for important people to feel as if they're doing something important when all they're doing is perpetuating the problem. The squatters will just move onto another building or live on the streets. The best thing to do is to help build them up. Unfortunaitly, some squatters would rather hide in the unhealthy crevices of society than accept help to find a job and live in a shelter.

I think an issue that most governments dont understand is why people squat in the first place. Some do it because they dont have a choice, some do it because its easier for them. In either case I think most governments are only giving a temporary solution, move them or evict them but not treating the cause of why the squatters were there in the first place. Thus even if all the squatters do move to government land more will just fill the holes left by those who went away since the cause hasnt been fixed and until it is there will always be squatters.

What is the cause you ask? It differs from country to country, state to state, city to city, suburb to suburb. Not understanding the causes on this kind of level will not allow them to fix the problem once and for all... but then again to do this would require alot of money for investigating and research and finally fixing the problem and we all know how much governments like NOT to spend money.

It not illegal to be a squatter on someone else land unless they broke in the place. If they havent committed a crime by forcing entry the police can arreast them.

Quote by yumezxIt not illegal to be a squatter on someone else land unless they broke in the place. If they havent committed a crime by forcing entry the police can arreast them.

actually, that's why they are called "squatters" because they are "ILLEGAL" residents, we can say, they are forcing themselves in, because they are residing in someone else's land, for free and even without permit

Yes the government should be allowed to remove illegal squatters from privately owned land. For the people who own the land having squatters is the same as having random hobos living in your own house. It probably lowers the property value as well.

Of course removing them does not solve the underlying problems of poverty and inequality. It's a quick fix. Some people may like living like that. If they do they should do so only in government designated areas. If they are forced into living like that they should try to take advantage of government poverty programs and try to get out of their situation. If they are just plain lazy or criminals then they should be left to die. I have no compassion for people unwilling to help themselves.

It might be a good idea to increase the funding to government aid programs and increase the supervision of such funds to decrease corruption. Decrease military spending and change foreign aid policy as well.

At least that's what I think.

I think the government has the right to vacate them. Why did they live there at first place? They are not supposed to live there but they still choose that place, then they should think about the consequence. I think the government is generous enough to give them a different place. If talking about the law side, then the government has the advantage but talking about conscience then the government should think for those people, after all that place is where they live for their lives and you suddenly told them to go somewhere.

I think the government should take care of it. I live in America and we have a REALLY big illegal immigration problem. We shouldn't just kick them all out at once. Instead we should give the ones here 5 years to get registered or get out. But from now on any illegal immigrant that comes in can be thrown out. They're only hurting our country by being here and not paying taxes and taking from our people. Its not that hard to just get registered. There's a lot of controversy right now about it and I just hope that the government decides to finally do something about it!

The government should take care of them. The government did a good thing in lending them money and shelter. And the squatters should be able to live fine enough if they work for it. There's a lot of opportunity if one look for it. And government support is crucial

Not wanting to get into all the side topics that this sort of question brings up, let me answer with a question of my own (as I am want to do quite a bit). Is your country one based on the rule of law? If so, and these people are illegally occupying someone else's land, then these people are breaking the law and should be arrested and prosecuted under that law. The fact that the government is actually facilitating the relocation of these people to land they can occupy legally I would say is going above and beyond the call and the 'squatters' should be grateful.

Every problem should be resolved. Government just should remove them for "their" places.

Like Rai said up, there, there wouldn't be many squatters if the government was not corrupt in the first place
Second of all, I don't see how the government has more authority over the land than the citicizens do
Or r people living in squatters just garbage and load?