If God is so merciful and whatnot, why would he use Job to prove a point? Sure
Job didn't complain and bitch and still praised God even though he lost
everything at one point and got it all back plus interest. But God only did that
to prove a point to Satan (the point being Job will still praise God even with
his losses.) That's a rather shitty thing to do, even for God.
And...actually...if god's omnipotent, omniscient, and those stuff...why should
he spend time proving it...since he should have the knowledge of it already...or
god just like to wreck someone's lives...
because god is testing humans. to see if their faith is firm or if they're just
hypocrits or cowards that cower in the face of troubles.
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of course god has the knowledge of it, but the human himself does not have
knowledge of it. only in an actual test does he realize that he has some sort of
deficiency.
uhm, it's not really a good thing to say that it is a shitty thing to do for God
to test Job, in my point of view. anyways, God has his own purpose for
everything he does..
Do yourself a favor and instead of believing to an arbitrary existence, made up
mostly from fanatics and delusionists, have faith in humanity and your
conscience.
Arguing about God is like asking yourself, why you bother to exist....
See it is pointless, so don't "godify" anything that you don't
understand.
Quote by oudorobouIf God is so merciful
and whatnot, why would he use Job to prove a point? Sure Job didn't complain and
bitch and still praised God even though he lost everything at one point and got
it all back plus interest. But God only did that to prove a point to Satan (the
point being Job will still praise God even with his losses.) That's a rather
shitty thing to do, even for God.
Satan was the one who actually did the evil things to Job. God had charge over
Job's life.
Satan told God that Job only loved Him because of all the things that God had
given him.
God said that Job wouldn't forsake him: even if his worldly goods were taken
from him; he was struck down with illness; and people were killed.
The point wasn't to show how "merciful or giving" God was, it was to
show that Job was faithful to God nomatter what happened to him. The point was
also to show that he fully trusted God, so much that even when God Himself
allowed for all the bad things that happened to him, that Job completely put his
faith in to and handed his life over to God. Also, Job loved and trusted God
without his gifts of money, property, and family. He still had faith in God and
overcame adversity.
God did not only do that to prove a point to Satan, but to show people that he
is giving to the faithful and blesses those who trust and have faith in the
Lord.
You've missed the those points of the story entirely.
"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake; for theirs
is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:10)
Whether you agree or disagree, I just thought that I'd open your mind to another
possible explaination/moral for the story of Job. ^^
Have a wonderful day.
Quote: If God is so merciful and
whatnot, why would he use Job to prove a point? Sure Job didn't complain and
bitch and still praised God even though he lost everything at one point and got
it all back plus interest. But God only did that to prove a point to Satan (the
point being Job will still praise God even with his losses.) That's a rather
shitty thing to do, even for God.
eventhought Job lost
evrything but He didnt lost God. that was the best thing He had so why must He
complain?
Quote by XavierGrDo yourself a favor and
instead of believing to an arbitrary existence, made up mostly from fanatics and
delusionists, have faith in humanity and your conscience.
YES! YES! That's the kind of stuff I like to see. Believe in humans. We exist,
that we know for sure. We should make the future, not depend on this magic hand
to guide us along the correct path. Humans continue to thrive and make progress
because we will it. We bust our ass to continue our existance. We continue to
break down the walls that divide us from divinity. We can clone and we can
destroy and create. That's all us.
Oh nothing like some religion to get me amped up. WHOOO!
so then u arent in the right way, because there's always a goal n that's why we
are here now, to reach that goal, it means believe God n get eternal life in
heaven. u're here not because so u can do anything what u want! this world is
juzt a place to tests us, it's not our end, but life begin to starts from the
heaven, or hell.
Quote by priincessso then u arent in
the right way, because there's always a goal n that's why we are here now, to
reach that goal, it means believe God n get eternal life in heaven. u're here
not because so u can do anything what u want! this world is juzt a place to
tests us, it's not our end, but life begin to starts from the heaven, or
hell.
That is, of course, if you believe in that. To me religion gives you a reason to
die. There's something better out there after you pass on so don't worry about
dying. It's not scary anymore, you go to streets lined in gold where your
beverage of choice is always on tap. My belief gives me a reason to live. I am
alive right now and I know for a fact that I am. I don't know if there's
anything after death, so why prepare for what may or may not exist. Has it
occured to people that maybe after you die, that's it... you're just dead? I
don't think it does, because that possibility scares people. Besides, all
religion seems to do is make me feel bad about feeling good. Why is it
everything that is awesome is somehow evil? I can't enjoy myself here because
I'm damning myself to hell... what kind of messed up logic is that? God put us
here and said "alright, your gonna be there for a few years... but so help
you I will not tolerate you having fun, that's evil."
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who
creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
hahaha. you guys crack me up. in all seriousness, we exist to die. everybody has
to die sooner or later. so why not live it up while you can? doesn't mean you
have to do evil to have fun. just have fun while you can.
Quote by shoujoboyWe must question the
story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty
humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
That's up to you to decide. However, in the Bible and in the Quran (both I've
read), neither books have their God blaming humans for being human. Examine my
take on the story of Job, above. The logic made perfect sense to me. Its an
example, whether you believe its ficticious or not. If it didn't make sense to
you, then fine. That's okay too.
I will say that in my beliefs, I don't feel guilty about doing good for
others... I feel better about myself and that I've made someone else's day. I
want to make others happy. Its just the way I am. Even if I didn't have any
religious beliefs, I'm sure I'd still feel the same way. Look at all the
religions of the world... almost all of them have a Golden Rule... a variant of
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If all of the
religions can come up with something like that, someone must've been on to
something right.
im not gOin to die yet, there r so much things
i wanna do bcoz i wanna erase all my sins by doin good things.
Quote: I can't enjoy myself here
because I'm damning myself to hell... what kind of messed up logic is that? God
put us here and said "alright, your gonna be there for a few years... but
so help you I will not tolerate you having fun, that's evil."
life isnt for having fun. u know, He gives u life then u
must do something useful to Him. Jesus erase our sins by His death, so that He
can be with God in heaven until forever. see, nothing's free ^^ God tells us
that He's exist by the bible, their children to spread the world. He's testing
us if we believe Him or not. it needs strong n no-end faith
sounds like a subservient life. if god does exist, he gave us free will for a
reason. we can choose to live for whatever reason: to have fun, to serve god, or
both. if god really wanted us to serve him, then he would've made us like the
angels who have no free will whatsoever.
Quote: sounds like a subservient
life. if god does exist, he gave us free will for a reason. we can choose to
live for whatever reason: to have fun, to serve god, or both. if god really
wanted us to serve him, then he would've made us like the angels who have no
free will whatsoever.
we've free will but we must know what
should we choose. n God wants us to choose His way, by that we can show our
faith
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James 1:2 My brethern, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3
knowing that the testing of your faith produce patience.
James1:5 If anyone of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all
liberally & without reporach & it will be given to him. 6 But let him
ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea
driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will
recieve anything from the lord.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been
approved, he will recieve the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those
who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by
God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 but each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desire &
enticed.
If God is so merciful and whatnot, why would he use Job to prove a point? Sure Job didn't complain and bitch and still praised God even though he lost everything at one point and got it all back plus interest. But God only did that to prove a point to Satan (the point being Job will still praise God even with his losses.) That's a rather shitty thing to do, even for God.
Because god is evil...
It's quite simple, really...
And...actually...if god's omnipotent, omniscient, and those stuff...why should he spend time proving it...since he should have the knowledge of it already...or god just like to wreck someone's lives...
because god is testing humans. to see if their faith is firm or if they're just hypocrits or cowards that cower in the face of troubles.
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of course god has the knowledge of it, but the human himself does not have knowledge of it. only in an actual test does he realize that he has some sort of deficiency.
Cause god is neither good nor evil, cause its a weird.
Omniscient and Omnipotency = no need for tests. Cause its just pointless...
Because in the first place, God gave us free will...
If he chose not to, then what he did to Job will prove questionable...
mm i agree
uhm, it's not really a good thing to say that it is a shitty thing to do for God to test Job, in my point of view. anyways, God has his own purpose for everything he does..
i think God is bored at that time
maybe this is just a sims game for god
Do yourself a favor and instead of believing to an arbitrary existence, made up mostly from fanatics and delusionists, have faith in humanity and your conscience.
Arguing about God is like asking yourself, why you bother to exist....
See it is pointless, so don't "godify" anything that you don't understand.
Satan was the one who actually did the evil things to Job. God had charge over Job's life.
Satan told God that Job only loved Him because of all the things that God had given him.
God said that Job wouldn't forsake him: even if his worldly goods were taken from him; he was struck down with illness; and people were killed.
The point wasn't to show how "merciful or giving" God was, it was to show that Job was faithful to God nomatter what happened to him. The point was also to show that he fully trusted God, so much that even when God Himself allowed for all the bad things that happened to him, that Job completely put his faith in to and handed his life over to God. Also, Job loved and trusted God without his gifts of money, property, and family. He still had faith in God and overcame adversity.
God did not only do that to prove a point to Satan, but to show people that he is giving to the faithful and blesses those who trust and have faith in the Lord.
You've missed the those points of the story entirely.
"Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:10)
Whether you agree or disagree, I just thought that I'd open your mind to another possible explaination/moral for the story of Job. ^^
Have a wonderful day.
eventhought Job lost evrything but He didnt lost God. that was the best thing He had so why must He complain?
YES! YES! That's the kind of stuff I like to see. Believe in humans. We exist, that we know for sure. We should make the future, not depend on this magic hand to guide us along the correct path. Humans continue to thrive and make progress because we will it. We bust our ass to continue our existance. We continue to break down the walls that divide us from divinity. We can clone and we can destroy and create. That's all us.
Oh nothing like some religion to get me amped up. WHOOO!
so then u arent in the right way, because there's always a goal n that's why we are here now, to reach that goal, it means believe God n get eternal life in heaven. u're here not because so u can do anything what u want! this world is juzt a place to tests us, it's not our end, but life begin to starts from the heaven, or hell.
Hooray for democracy.
Well, it's a story. It's up to you if you'll believe it or not.
That is, of course, if you believe in that. To me religion gives you a reason to die. There's something better out there after you pass on so don't worry about dying. It's not scary anymore, you go to streets lined in gold where your beverage of choice is always on tap. My belief gives me a reason to live. I am alive right now and I know for a fact that I am. I don't know if there's anything after death, so why prepare for what may or may not exist. Has it occured to people that maybe after you die, that's it... you're just dead? I don't think it does, because that possibility scares people. Besides, all religion seems to do is make me feel bad about feeling good. Why is it everything that is awesome is somehow evil? I can't enjoy myself here because I'm damning myself to hell... what kind of messed up logic is that? God put us here and said "alright, your gonna be there for a few years... but so help you I will not tolerate you having fun, that's evil."
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
hahaha. you guys crack me up. in all seriousness, we exist to die. everybody has to die sooner or later. so why not live it up while you can? doesn't mean you have to do evil to have fun. just have fun while you can.
That's up to you to decide. However, in the Bible and in the Quran (both I've read), neither books have their God blaming humans for being human. Examine my take on the story of Job, above. The logic made perfect sense to me. Its an example, whether you believe its ficticious or not. If it didn't make sense to you, then fine. That's okay too.
I will say that in my beliefs, I don't feel guilty about doing good for others... I feel better about myself and that I've made someone else's day. I want to make others happy. Its just the way I am. Even if I didn't have any religious beliefs, I'm sure I'd still feel the same way. Look at all the religions of the world... almost all of them have a Golden Rule... a variant of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If all of the religions can come up with something like that, someone must've been on to something right.
Anyways, that's my spiel.
im not gOin to die yet, there r so much things i wanna do bcoz i wanna erase all my sins by doin good things.
life isnt for having fun. u know, He gives u life then u must do something useful to Him. Jesus erase our sins by His death, so that He can be with God in heaven until forever. see, nothing's free ^^ God tells us that He's exist by the bible, their children to spread the world. He's testing us if we believe Him or not. it needs strong n no-end faith
sounds like a subservient life. if god does exist, he gave us free will for a reason. we can choose to live for whatever reason: to have fun, to serve god, or both. if god really wanted us to serve him, then he would've made us like the angels who have no free will whatsoever.
The God that Christians believe in wouldn't. But the one that the Jews believed in was quite a prick and did nasty things to people all the time.
Anime wasn't invented yet so God must have been bored.
hahaha. that sounds like he was lonely and needed friends.
we've free will but we must know what should we choose. n God wants us to choose His way, by that we can show our faith
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James 1:2 My brethern, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produce patience.
James1:5 If anyone of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally & without reporach & it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will recieve anything from the lord.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will recieve the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 but each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desire & enticed.