Sweatshop in China

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8iwJTMW9t0

i just saw this video, damn i feel sorry for them, i never knew how bad it was, i mean; 1 one hour break, no safety stuff on the machines, get a deduction to your wage if you take a break when injured, the management tells you things like "foreigners are superior to you, they have sensitive skin unlike you"...and your children can barely recognise you when u return home from work...so sad
and they got told to act when foreign inspectors come, and were warned not to say anything inappropriate...
watch the video and share/discuss your thoughts on it

aiya.

  • Feb 12, 2006

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You see, in China, people who are from big cities (shanghai, beijing) believe they are better than people from the countryside. There are a lot of derogatory terms to describe these countryside.

Of course, when you have this perception, it is easy to understand the action.

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  • Feb 15, 2006
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It's really sad what people will do to other people just in the name of money. I can only hope the abusers end up paying for it in the end.

  • Feb 17, 2006

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I knew the working conditions are not the best in China but I didn't know it was that bad.
The workers surely suffered emotionally, physically, and verbally.

I heard there are some companies like... Nike and Cessna... Moving their factories out of Mexico into the Pacific Rim for cheaper labors.

  • Feb 24, 2006
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That's right, Dragonfly. Since China's got one of the cheaper handfactory the big corporates could dream, they move their factories there to increase his massive production. If you already did know this, with this video you can understand why: sacrificing safety and proper work conditions (thus saving money) these plants are able to produce in really huge and large cuantities.

It is incredible (and anyway, sad) that things aimed to give a smile to people all over the world (not only U.S.A.) are built with suffering, sweat, blood....and lives.

But arguments like this are useless.........the big corporates have no respect for life and values when it comes to money. This is what happens when socialism is wrongly applied.

To mention an example: here in Mexico it is known that if a freighter hits you in the street, the driver has the commandment to finish you (kill you) in order to keep that freighter's company away from a life-ensurance demand...

I know money is important, but life it is even more...(sigh)...the world is rot. (sorry, I got semi-depressed =S )

  • Feb 24, 2006
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How ironic, we all discuss how sad it is for the people over there, the working conditions they have and being a paid way below minimum wage then we turn our heads and forget about it, not to mention we are wearing and using the products made by the workers that are working under these conditions.

  • Feb 24, 2006
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Ironic indeed. But the right thing it is not to stop using these things they produce (most of the manufacture is made in Far East, as I mentioned previously). It is dishonest too to say thousands of words against this abuse and turn our heads.

The right thing is promoting these facts and make conscience about it, value the things we use and doing our part by promoting respect for them...

  • Feb 24, 2006

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The right thing is giving corporations money so they can improve conditions,

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  • Feb 24, 2006
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tanteikun
And how do you think that can be done? So different people all over the world should collect money for the Nike inc. (just an example) and ask it to stop using cheap workers for their rotten purposes? Sorry but it is nonsense.

  • Feb 24, 2006
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I can't watch the movie because it breaks up too much, but let me say this much. China is becoming a world power because of these sweatshops. But eventually, as they begin to rise, so will their standard of living. America treated its workers the same way back during the late 1800's - 1900's: poor working conditions, shit pay, but what could you do? After we started industrializing, people got their heads on their shoulders and started to form unions, and the government passed legislation to making work places safer and ensure honest pay checks for people.

I foresee the same thing happening in China. The Chinese government tends to not be, ah...responsive... towards their people, but eventually, with the pollution and the worker's conditions, they will be forced to step in. They too will pass legislation to help their people and their country and the people will no longer work in such terrible conditions.

As a result, China won't be as favorable for businesses as it used to be and thus its superpower status will decline. The businesses will move on to another third world country, of course, and take advantage of their labor and lack of laws, but the same thing will happen.

Sweatshops, kudos to modernization, should someday be a thing of the past.

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I indeed agree with your point of view, is very accurate, due to historical causes. But I personally think that if another third world country is bound to become the new "world factory", it will be an endless, vicious circle.

Just my weird point of view....

  • Feb 25, 2006

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Quote by outofreachThough the natives think that they are getting ample salary or even better compared to their nation's standards, it is still not right for these companies to exploit these people. Also, some of these workers are not getting benefits or don't even have good working conditions.

First of all, we are talking about two different things here

First issue is the offshoring to China, (or foreign companies move majority of their manufacturing chains to china)

On this issue, we can all agree that it is beneficial to both. China needs foreign investment, and was able to offer an attractive option by its relative cheap labor. Companies realize they need to cut costs, in some parts of the world, it has just been expensive.

The prices of the good drop because China is able to massively produce them, good for the consumers.

Japan followed this path after second world war, became the predominant US manufacturing/military base, and look at how it got them.

Second issue is the working conditions, as fellow Chinese, I shall testify to say there are two types. The Chinese who have good educations work in offices, (like Microsoft, IBM) those tall buildings. Getting paid ridiculous well.

Most of whom who do not have education (like from poor countryside, where it is even too poor to go to elementary school), what do you expect to them to do?
Most of them have families back in the cave that needs to be fed. They do not have the option of demanding a better working condition. You are lucky enough just to have a job, why do you even complain? What if you lose your job as a result of this? How are you going to feed your families? What have you done for the family?
There are many more issues to be considered before you go to management and said we want a better workplace. It doesn't work, period.

Bad working conditions? Suck it up, or watch your mom die before your eyes

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  • Feb 25, 2006
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Quote: Most of whom who do not have education (like from poor countryside, where it is even too poor to go to elementary school), what do you expect to them to do?
Most of them have families back in the cave that needs to be fed. They do not have the option of demanding a better working condition. You are lucky enough just to have a job, why do you even complain? What if you lose your job as a result of this? How are you going to feed your families? What have you done for the family?
There are many more issues to be considered before you go to management and said we want a better workplace. It doesn't work, period.

Thats what it means by exploitation of workers. You sound like its okay for the people to work under these conditions. Yes, i know that the people living in poverty will do ANYTHING for a job, and job means money and able to feed him/herself and his/her family. Workers won't speak or complain about its working condition because they will be fired and be easily replace by hundreds of job hungry people that are happy to replace him/her, safe or not. So thats where the NGO comes in, and try their hardest to speak for the workers and improve their working condition. In Mexico i believe some companies won't hire people that are in a union, and are ambitious. They want "yes people" that won't go against the company and employers.

  • Feb 25, 2006

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Quote by ZeRoGravityThats what it means by exploitation of workers. You sound like its okay for the people to work under these conditions. Yes, i know that the people living in poverty will do ANYTHING for a job, and job means money and able to feed him/herself and his/her family. Workers won't speak or complain about its working condition because they will be fired and be easily replace by hundreds of job hungry people that are happy to replace him/her, safe or not. So thats where the NGO comes in, and try their hardest to speak for the workers and improve their working condition. In Mexico i believe some companies won't hire people that are in a union, and are ambitious. They want "yes people" that won't go against the company and employers.

There are a lot more postitives coming out of these "exploits", more than the negatives. By the way, what you call exploiting, I refer to them as offshoring. People have a job, companies save money.

There is a general trend of deunionize over the last 20 years or so. In those years, many unions were broken up, and many more came under criticism from the media and its own members. Union is nothing but a bunch of greedy bums trying to force their members to act a certain way by means of mind control, propanganda and threats. Union is capable of nothing but making up false accusations of management and damage the relationship between them and the workers.

Have you heard stories of union members being forced to go on strikes, now lost everything precious? If you have not, I suggest you take a deep look at the Hormel Minnesota Plant Strike case in the 1980s. There is a documentary that showed the story of a family (older brother went back to work in order to feed his family, while the younger brother, being "passionate", continued to strike, only to have his wife and kids leave him for someone else)

They do not care about your family situation, if you side with management, then you portrayed as a scam. I am freaking tired of those union KGB bosses ruin their respective members' lives.

Don't like your work? Just quit. Do you think management would give a damn, not unless you are important. That is the reality.

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  • Feb 25, 2006

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