Japan is asking us to stop distributing anime illegally. It is damaging to the Japanese economy.
If we don't stop, the production of anime may stop overall. Think about that.
I'll keep updating with comments as more replies come in.
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- Oct 23, 2007
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The illegal distribution of anime is not gonna be easy to stop though in my opinion, and neither the production. Personally, I prefer the original (with subs) over the dubbed. However, it's rather hard to find original anime DVDs sometimes (outside of Japan), and we might be short on money or our parents don't allow us to buy these anime DVDs. Sure we can watch it on television, but that's a horror since it follows a time schedule and recording is a pain in the neck. Owning the anime is much more convinient, and the simpliest, fastest, and costless way seems to be the internet.
I do get their complaints though. With the resourceful internet out there, we stop buying the DVDs therefore decreasing the companies' profits.
Though rather than blaming the peer-to-peer file sharing and video sharing websites (the "effects"), I think the better solution is to think of the "causes" (we can't obtain anime that easily), and somehow start dealing with things there.
- Oct 24, 2007
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Most anime AND manga that I have bought over here are because of fansubs and the Internet. Bought 100% legally. Loyally, even.
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- Oct 24, 2007
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people stop fussing over this stuff, it happens OFTEN and usually, nothing noticeable happens in reality
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- Oct 24, 2007
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If America/England were to license and dub/sub anime much faster and at a lower price per DVD then maybe we wouldn't need to get it illegally >:
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- Oct 24, 2007
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I think it is hard to get it legally because everyone keeps downloading the stuff, forcing sale prices to rise in order to keep up with production prices.
Quote by Heaven-PhoenixThough rather than blaming the peer-to-peer file sharing and video sharing websites (the "effects"), I think the better solution is to think of the "causes" (we can't obtain anime that easily), and somehow start dealing with things there.
You make a good point there, Heaven-Phoenix, but again, the economy would be shot if they dealt with the causes, the main cause apparently is that people can't afford it. I say afford because I know there are lots and lots of anime stores around, but I also understand that some really can't go out and obtain it easily (like, actually get to the store).
- Oct 24, 2007
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If I didn't see the anime subbed on the internet first, I would never buy the expensive DVDs. So in my case, it's helping them XD But I understand their point completely. I just don't think this will ever be solved.
- Oct 24, 2007
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60 % of people download the anime and don't buy the dvd. They download everything but don't buy anything. It will be very hard to stop the process
- Oct 24, 2007
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Quote by ASH-HikariIf I didn't see the anime subbed on the internet first, I would never buy the expensive DVDs. So in my case, it's helping them XD But I understand their point completely. I just don't think this will ever be solved.
This is true. I have heard that this is how Azumanga Daioh got so popular in America, is because of the subs.
The problem is for most subbers, they sub whole series instead of just a few episodes, discouraging people from buying the DVDs.
It worked for Azumanga because only a couple of the episodes were subbed, and if people liked it, they wold buy the rest of the series.
- Oct 24, 2007
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I'm sure I am going to have lots of people screaming at me for this, but this is how it goes: The fact that you're broke, can't get to an anime store, whatever your reason may be- it doesn't change the fact that downloading anime is WRONG. It's pretty sad that we need the Japanese government to give an official statement before people even turn their heads to think about this issue. You don't need to see the show to live, so stop making excuses for doing something that you know isn't right. Life isn't always fair, but that's life.
While I don't really believe they'll ever stop producing (that's a little absurd considering how large a part of their culture it is), and sadly I don't see the downloading ever stopping, either. The only argument that really holds in this case is that some older animes have never been released on DVD, and therefore you cannot buy them X-O So frustrating.
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- Oct 24, 2007
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One reason I don't like to buy domestic DVDs is because I can't stand the dubs and outside of that (dubs) some companies offer very little extra content that would make the DVD worth buying. Granted that without fansubs I'd be more inclined to buy it, it'd be much harder to judge (even hear about) the anime without them. Since I don't have TV, I don't know, but this is completely invalid if dubbed anime is aired before the DVDs are released.
The flipside to domestic DVDs is to buy imported DVDs, which is a gamble. Maybe this will change now that America is now a significant consumer, but the english subs on imports can contain huge errors in grammer (and some in content) making the anime less enjoyable to watch. Of course increasing the appeal for imports would make people less inclined to buy domestic DVDs, but it would be much faster than to wait for the anime to be released in America.
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The point I wanted to make from this is that since fansubs aren't criminal unless the subbers gain profit, the Japanese companies have to take action against subbing groups if they want something done about it. Fansubs don't get any more illegal when a US company licenses something, they're just more likely to sue. That said, it would be hard to stop fansubs since each group functions independently, and it's probable that many groups only work over the internet (irc or something) and don't have any personal connections.- Oct 31, 2007
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People who download anime are usually happier with fansubs. It'd be cool if the anime studios distributed their own shows with English subs that we could buy. Takes out the middle-man American liscenser, gets stuff out quicker, and they have control over it.
A fansubber has to wait until an episode is released in Japan anyways. So if the studio puts in the extra work that some otaku in their basement does in a couple of days, they can please their fans and keep some profits!
- Oct 31, 2007
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Quote by JetKrazyThe problem is for most subbers, they sub whole series instead of just a few episodes, discouraging people from buying the DVDs.
You're making it sound like they start subbing a series even if it's already licensed.Also, the first show I watched entirely on fansub was Fruits Basket. All of it. And when it was released on DVD, I bought the entire show. I watched all of Chobits on fansubs, but still went and got the entire show on DVD. The same for Elfen Lied, Scrapped Princess, Galaxy Railways, Black Cat, Utawarerumono, Ah! My Goddess season one and two, Grenadier, Fate/Stay night and more.
In some cases, I'm glad they fansubbed an entire show, because I'm not sure that particular show will EVER get a translated DVD release. (Aria, for instance, though rest assured; if they ever license and release Aria in the US or anywhere else in English, I WILL be standing first in line to get it on DVD as well.)
I can understand why the Japanese anime industry is worried about this up to a certain degree, but in all honesty, it's the US licensor market that SHOULD worry. They're the one who suffer loss of income when people are downloading entire shows with no intent to support any official US DVD release, because "Boo hoo, I'm poor and I shouldn't have to pay 'outrageous prices for inferior translations' and anime should be free for the masses anyway" or whatever excuses they come up with.
- Oct 31, 2007
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I dislike English dubbed versions and want to see the full uncut version as it is aired in Japan. It has happened with many series (see the aired Naruto in the US and the Japanese aired ones) that scenes were cut from the shows, because the US is more strict on how much violence and sex a series will have over what is acceptable in Japan.
Also, I am in Greece so it is even more difficult to obtain anime DVDs since I have to order them from internet stores. In Greece, original anime DVDs may cost even twice and more and there are very few stores that sell them. Only some Studio Ghibli anime, and a couple more, have been given serious releases with Greek subs here.
And it also happens with Manga, that there are times when scanlations (scanned and fan-translated manga) are better than the official translations!
And I do buy a lot of stuff from DVDs to manga.
- Oct 31, 2007
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back in malaysia the 'original' DVD or CD that they sell are actually ripped off from the fansub
i mean what is the point of buying it when u know it is illegal....
- Oct 31, 2007
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1. While I will admit piracy is an issue that should be dealt with, I'd like to string up several executives for even suggesting (and in several cases implementing) methodologies that punish the normal consumer and not the pirates.
2. Given the premium prices many of these organizations charge for their products, they should look at reducing their own costs and not looking to Joe consumer to keep them in the double digit growth numbers they grew to expect before most intelligent consumers got wise to their rip-off scheme or charging 30$ for a DVD that with royalties and everything else cost them less than $10 to produce (even less on more widely produced products).
As for myself I do happen to have several "illegal" copies of anime soundtrack music (not full sound tracks but partials), which I plan to keep until those soundtrack are released in the US at which point I will buy the CD (or DVD) and create electronic versions of a much higher quality that my current copies for my personal use (which despite what groups like the RIAA and others would like you to think is perfectly legal).
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- Nov 01, 2007
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Why not just start slipping advertisements into the animes? Advertising doesn't care if people downloaded it legally or otherwise, as long as it gets to where it needs to go. I wouldn't mind finding a Pepsi can on an anime. YOU CAN GET FREE STUFF IF YOU ARE WILLING TO WATCH SOME COMMERCIALS (tv works that way)!
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- Nov 01, 2007
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Personally, I have to say that claiming anime production could stop because of this is a load of BS. Look back at the anime industry. It is not, and it has never, been dependant on US licenses. They do calculate the additional revenue from overseas sales nowadays, but the fact is that a significant portion of anime still doesn't see such licensing, yet it still comes. So, I really can't believe that kind of argument.
On the other hand, yes, piracy is a problem, illegal downloading can drop profits, and companies do take a hit.
But one must consider the reason for such popularity. The costs to customers have always been high, and remain so even when they don't have to be. Viz, for example, charged as much as $40 per two-episode volume of Ranma 1/2 on VHS, not because it didn't sell well, but because it DID. This was 40-60% more than most comparable titles. Back in the VHS days, you could expect to pay $10-15 per episode for a normal series, though it might drop down to less than $5 in the cases of some longer ones, which put 4-5 episodes on a tape instead of 2.
DVD did reduce these costs initially, but most consumers are still well aware that they're vastly overpriced, and aren't willing to fork over an astounding $10 an episode that it's jumped back up to, especially when a series runs over 50 episodes. In fact, in the VHS days, longer series were actually CHEAPER, as they had more episodes on each tape than you currently find on the DVD releases, which is pathetic. This extreme cost is, without a doubt, one of the key reasons downloading is so popular.
Also, when you think about it, a significant portion of those people who use fansubs as a replacement for the official release are in fact people who wouldn't have bought the DVDs to begin with. They're ones that will gladly borrow someone else's or go to a screening, but either don't have the resources, or don't wish to spend the resources they have on purchasing anime DVDs. Moreover, fansubs may very well entice these people to purchase DVDs that they otherwise wouldn't have even considered getting.But for me, and for many others, it's really just a supplement. I use fansubs as a means of checking out various series and determining what I'm going to buy. And yes, I usually watch them through to the end, in many cases reserving my decision until I have. In other cases, I've already committed, but can't stand waiting over a year for the official release of the last few episodes.
When I look back, I've been downloading anime episodes for less than 5 years, and in that time, it has translated to over 150 DVDs purchased. I'm probably an exception, but that's some pretty hefty business
So, it becomes a big question. Both sides have merit, but there's no way of really gauging how much business is lost, and how much business is gained from fansubs. The only conclusion I can make is that, between myself and the people I know personally, it's one heck of a net gain.- Nov 02, 2007
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It's only wrong to Torrent anime if you're selling access, ala Naruto Fan. I think it's perfectly fine to distribute it for free as long as the anime isn't licensed in America yet. That's how fans over here get a preview and can decide to buy it or not. Honestly, the companies can scream, cry and sue all they want and it still won't stop people from sharing anime online.
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- Nov 02, 2007
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It is rather a sticky situation since the people in countries beside Japan have few choices for animes
It is obviously illegal to download/upload anything still valid for copyright but it's rather bothersome to the watchers if they cannot download anime? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ? ????? ?? ?????
- Nov 03, 2007
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I have been ripped off in the past with the suppossed purchase of Japanese import anime dvds when in reality they were bootleg copies. I think that is the bigger issue than a couple of kids file sharing fan subbed anime. At least the fansub groups are not making a profit off of their releases unlike these internet companies selling pirated merchandise. Anime series such as Naruto, Bleach, etc. would not be the cash cows they are in the US today if people had not been watching the fansubs of these series. It is nice to be able to get a preview of some anime titles because let's face it there is a lot of anime out there that is not worth $30/dvd for 3 episodes. If Japanese companies are so concerned with their profit than subtitle the episodes and make it avaliable for download on i tunes for a reasonable price ($3) per episode...like they did for Death Note. The drawback to the Death Note downloads is that they did not advertise it enough and the download websites they utilized are not as well known to most people like perhaps i tunes. ~_~
- Nov 15, 2007
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New news from the Canned Dogs blog
http://zepy.momotato.com/2008/05/09/police-arrest-3-people-that-shared-anime-on-share/3 big encoders have been stopped. Without encoders, fansubbers don't have anything to do, and in turn, there is no anime to be downloaded. Perhaps piracy will slow for now. Opinions, anyone?
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