Most Effective Gundam Faction Leader

Most Effective Gundam Faction Leader

General Revil (Earth Federation: Mobile Suit Gundam)
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Gihren Zabi (Zeon: Mobile Suit Gundam)
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Haman Karn (Neon Zeon I: Mobile Suit Zeta / ZZ Gundam)
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Char Aznable (Neo Zeon II: Char's Counterattack)
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Zechs Marquise (White Fang: Gundam Wing)
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Trieza Kushrenada (OZ: Gundam Wing)
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Unfortunately, there's no plain "Gundam" tag.

Anyway, decided to start my own Gundam-based thread.

This is NOT, and I stress NOT, a "favorite" leader thread.

This is an attempt to be an discussion on which faction leader was the most effective, regardless of whether you like them or not. So please do not flame people if they pick someone you have a personal low opinion about and such. (So no, "Oh, I love Lacus because she was so kind!" or "How could you pick Lacus? She sucked!" and stuff like that. I want ACTUAL reasons to why you may think that that person was a good leader. And try not to turn this into a chat thread or anything that would make this completely off-topic.)

Of course, there are others I'd like to put up that the polls couldn't fit like...

Jamitov Hyman (Titans: Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam)

Paptimus Scirocco (Titans: Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam)

Bright Noa (Londo Bell: Char's Counterattack)

Carozzo "Iron Mask" Ronah (Crossbone Vanguard: Gundam F91)

Berah Ronah / Cecily Fairchild (Crossbone Vanguard: Crossbone Gundam)

Queen Maria (Zanscare Empire: Mobile Suit Victory Gundam)

Queen Diana (Moonrace: Turn A Gundam)

Lacus Clyne (Three Ships Alliance: Gundam SEED / SEED Destiny)

Muruta Azrael (Blue Cosmos: Gundam SEED)

Djibril (Blue Cosmos: Gundam SEED Destiny)

Cagalli Yula Atha (Orb: Gundam SEED Destiny)

Patrick Zala (ZAFT: Gundam SEED Destiny)

Gilbert Durandal (ZAFT: Gundam SEED Destiny)


...and so on and so forth.

  • Apr 24, 2010

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I'm going with Zechs simply for his style of leadership was better than most and he lead his troops personally by going into the front lines and was already a hardened warrior. also damn good thread man hope i see more

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i'm going with zechs too. he had style.

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Well, Zechs' attitude was more-or-less taken from Char's CCA persona really. Heck, that's pretty much who he's based on overall, right down to motives from beginning to the end overall.

  • Apr 25, 2010

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True Inuyasha Most Villians became based off Char after all he did set the trend for most villians and Well Zechs Attidude is what most leaders should have

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I'm going with Zechs as well because already from the fact that he's a capable leader, he would duel someone like Heero for the sake of honor and pride as a soldier.I liked Char better as as leader for the AEUG instead of Neo-Zeon. The things I didn't like about Char and his rivlary with Amuro was over Lalah. Char hurt a lot of women in his life(like Haman, Reccoa, and Nanai), simply because he wasn't over Lalah. Even though Char and Amuro put aside their differences in Zeta and re-ignited their rivlary in CCA, I think it was more than Amuro wanting to defeat Char in their fight to decide the fate of the Earth, I think it was still over Lalah.It was disappointing to see that scene where Amuro threw Char off his horse and the two threw fists at each other like juveniles instead of the grown men that they were. I think if Bright saw that scene, he would've probably lost any respect he had for the two of them and Sayla would be sad and disappointed herself. Zechs isn't the type of guy that wouldn't fight his rival over a woman like Char did. So if I were to pick a leader from the UC era to serve, I'd choose to serve Haman over Char, she herself was a capable leader, as she was strong and elegant . Treize is also a leader with honor, strength, and elegance. So in conclusion if I were to choose one out of Zechs, Haman, and Treize, I'd go with Treize.

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Well, that still shows that they still have emotions and their own demons to deal with, thus showing that even they are not perfect beings, despite many people acting like it. EVERY character, much less a leader should have such things. If they don't, that's sort of a lack of development on their part. I hate it when a character is so seemingly "perfect" to such degrees. Even Lacus at least knew her own hypocrisy in their forceful interventions (though, didn't exactly take steps to rectify it).

Even Haman still had her past demons with Char in Zeta and her current problems with Judau in ZZ and even was a large part of her driving forces. She wasn't ALWAYS like we've known her to be after all.

With Zechs, we could never know in terms of women since the only woman he's ever TRULY been associated with has been Noin and he never had any real competition for her affection like Char did with Amuro over Lalah, so if someone did, that could paint an entirely different picture for Zechs. Same with Trieze. Only known woman to truly associate with him would be Lady Une.


I usually give my vote to General Revil in Mobile Suit Gundam. He pretty much single-handedly rallied the Federation Forces when they had all but given up hope early on during the One Year War (especially after his escape of Zeon capture) and DIDN'T use deception and such to do so. Not to mention being more personally involved with operations like Odessa and Star One.

  • Apr 26, 2010

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaWell, that still shows that they still have emotions and their own demons to deal with, thus showing that even they are not perfect beings, despite many people acting like it. EVERY character, much less a leader should have such things. If they don't, that's sort of a lack of development on their part. I hate it when a character is so seemingly "perfect" to such degrees. Even Lacus at least knew her own hypocrisy in their forceful interventions (though, didn't exactly take steps to rectify it).

Even Haman still had her past demons with Char in Zeta and her current problems with Judau in ZZ and even was a large part of her driving forces. She wasn't ALWAYS like we've known her to be after all.

With Zechs, we could never know in terms of women since the only woman he's ever TRULY been associated with has been Noin and he never had any real competition for her affection like Char did with Amuro over Lalah, so if someone did, that could paint an entirely different picture for Zechs. Same with Trieze. Only known woman to truly associate with him would be Lady Une.


I usually give my vote to General Revil in Mobile Suit Gundam. He pretty much single-handedly rallied the Federation Forces when they had all but given up hope early on during the One Year War (especially after his escape of Zeon capture) and DIDN'T use deception and such to do so. Not to mention being more personally involved with operations like Odessa and Star One.


I understand that a leader must have his/her emotions, but at some point he/she must let go of the past or it could end up hurting people that he/she has future relationships with. Like with Reccoa, she ended up defecting to the Titans and gotten involved with the other manipulator of women, Paptimus Scirocco.

As with Zechs and Treize, Zechs never really showed much romantic affection for Noin as Treize for Une, yet in the end Treize's last words were directed to Zechs and not Une.

With a good leader I really like that isn't a series antagonist is Jamil Neate of the Vulture Organization in Gundam X. He was able to bring together different types of individuals for an equal cause, he is also a great mentor to Garrod Ran, and he made peace with his former rival, Lancerow Dowell. I believe you forgot to add him.

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Quote by minayuriI understand that a leader must have his/her emotions, but at some point he/she must let go of the past or it could end up hurting people that he/she has future relationships with. Like with Reccoa, she ended up defecting to the Titans and gotten involved with the other manipulator of women, Paptimus Scirocco.

As with Zechs and Treize, Zechs never really showed much romantic affection for Noin as Treize for Une, yet in the end Treize's last words were directed to Zechs and not Une.

With a good leader I really like that isn't a series antagonist is Jamil Neate of the Vulture Organization in Gundam X. He was able to bring together different types of individuals for an equal cause, he is also a great mentor to Garrod Ran, and he made peace with his former rival, Lancerow Dowell. I believe you forgot to add him.

Well, he would be among the "etc" bit since I didn't want go trying to remember EVERY single leader from every single series x_x.

Also, Zechs does show affection for Noin. Just not as openly as other people would with others. One definitive show of his lingering affection was when he had the perfect opportunity to strike her down and go after Peacemillion while the Gundams were busy with his Virgo escorts, but NOIN was the one who, with difficulty, was willing to put aside her own emotions to do the right thing and possibly destroy Zechs if she had to, but Zechs wasn't willing to strike her down to achieve his goal of eliminating Peacemillion and ended up running away (calling himself a coward). If he had gone through with his actions, then he could've possibly ended the threat of the Gundams right there by taking away what was pretty much their base of operations. All he'd have to do after is keep engaging them with troops in, at the very least, a battle of attrition which the Gundams would eventually lose by being piloted by humans that could tire while the Mobile Dolls could fight indefinitely pretty much and simply be replaced with others when destroyed. (In fact, that's one thing Howard was worried about; the fact that if Zechs kept engaging them in constant battle, then the pilots AND the mechanics responsible for repairing their Gundams would end up giving out to fatigue and/or lack of materials.)

It goes to show that even 1 loss of self based on personal emotion of some kind can end up spelling (eventual) doom for your side. Now, of course, that ONE lack of action alone didn't cause White Fang to lose, but I definitely see it as one major factor.

  • Apr 27, 2010
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i'm going with zechs too. he had style.

  • May 02, 2010
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I'm hoping for more in-depth reasons besides the more trivial reasons...(style, looks, imposing, whatever)

  • May 03, 2010

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