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when i think of god yes souls must exsist becuz u can't drag ur dead body to heaven can u? i mean there must be something in us. more spiritual or something. that's y i believe in ghost cuz really they r just lost souls.

when it comes to scientific stuff when we die. we're dead. meaning when u die ur gone for good. and there's not gonna be some soul thingie floating in the air. cuz u would never have a soul in the first place. it's just how our minds think. we think that there must be something inside us that makes us act the way we do and stuff. but there isn't. it's just brain that interpret things, ur heart that keeps u living, and all that intestines that makes u go poop and eat and stuff. the reason "souls" exsist is becuz we need to make an excuse on how r bodies r sent to be recarnated, heaven, hell and everywhere else.

so this subject makes me neutral cuz i believe both. cuz if there was never a god (just some myth thingie that people use to go on with life and solve all their problems that can't be explained) that would mean when we die we die. although if there is a god, then there must be a soul or something of us that gets us placed in either hell, heaven, or earth.

"I must destroy the despair-night
To shine in Eternity's sunshine."

AngelTAP

AngelTAP

Keeper of the Midnight Sun

I think everything has a soul. Without a soul, we seem to be just empty shells. This is my personal belief.

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Quote by SweetBreezeI want to believe that a soul exists within us. Our "emotions" are caused by chemicals in our brain, right? How does the brain know to cause these emotions?

The same reason you know how to breathe. Same reason it doesn't forget to keep your heart beating. The brain knows. The brain tries to keep you alive and those emotions are its way of trying to guide you in the right direction. Its main goal is your survival and the survival of the species. You don't choose who you fall in love with, your brain sends down those emotions when you've found a good mate (one with strong/attractive qualities) because it's built to keep the species going and to spread the strongest genes. Emotions are primal and they existed long before humans could even think about such trivial matters like "how their brain works". They evolved long before we could even be considered "human".

Quote: Why do some people love the sight of blood and other people faint because of it?

Because some people are sissies. Their brains respond to different stimuli in different ways.

Quote: What makes the difference in our reactions to it?..our upbringing makes the brain work in different ways? is that it?

Basically. Ever know a person who had bad childhood experiences with dogs or water and are now really afraid of them? It's a survival mechanism. Your brain sees that something is scary and threatening, it makes you afraid and then you're more likely to avoid it (not get killed). See how useful that is? Your brain is trying to keep you alive.

Works with animals too. You treat a puppy like crap, beat it with a stick or whatever, that puppy isn't going to grow up very healthy. He might freak out at the sight of sticks, or humans, or just you specifically, but he'll stay freaked out for most of his life if he doesn't get some serious training. If you ever kept a stray kitten they're probably more afraid of thunder because they grew up living outside and have bad experiences in storms. A pet store cat probably wouldn't care too much about those noises though.

Quote: ...I think that our souls is what triggers those chemicals=emotions...

Why? Because that's a more convenient explanation to you? Less complicated? Less thinking? Yeah that sums up most religious reasoning too, not just the soul. Heh, from your post it doesn't surprise me how little respect you have for your brain. Is your soul asking these stupid questions too? It can't be your brain? How does your brain know when to ask stupid questions? (heh, they're not really bad questions I'm just trying to make a point here)

Your brain does other nifty things too. Ever burn yourself and yank your hand away instantly without ever thinking about it? Ever see something tip off a shelf or table and instantly reach out to catch it through pure reaction? Here's a simple one. Are you a good typer? If you are, do you actively think about every single key you're typing? Its place on the keyboard? When to type it? No of course not, that'd be slow and inefficient. Your brain is just conditioned to take those words you think and immediately translate them to letters, which then translates them to physical places on the keyboard without you hardly doing a thing. If it can do all that while still keeping you alive and keeping your limbs moving when you want, and while still doing everything else, is it so hard to believe that maybe it can work your emotions too?

One of the main reasons I think souls 'exist' in people's mind is fear. Loosing yourself after death is a scary thought to most humans. They want the knowledge and emotions they experience to continue onto longer living. It gives a sense of hope to those who think about death that they will not be lost forever after their body isn't working anymore.

Soul? I don't believe in a religious soul (but its not like I deny the existence thereof).

I do believe in a person's Identity - something thats intangible, that makes a person that person. You know, what makes me me, and you you.

ibrahimm

ibrahimm

Kick Ass And Chew Bubblegum

This body here.. is only a rent...

U got it for free from god. When u abuse this "rent" body, u will be in trouble.. just like when u blow up ur parents house.

Every body is powered by a soul... the soul is ur true self.. not ur body.

Orokawa Ototoyo........

ear145

ear145

Amazed art-fan

I read this thing somewhere saying that when a person dies they become .01 grams (or some other small number...) lighter. Every single person. And no-one knows where that weight goes after death.

Whether that's true or not, I believe that there's a bit of me that isn't a part of the 'real' and physical world - the bit that links me to God and all that. I believe it's the bit of me that IS me (me feelings, emotions, values, etc) and that when I die it's the bit that goes on to heaven.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Quote by ear145I read this thing somewhere saying that when a person dies they become .01 grams (or some other small number...) lighter. Every single person. And no-one knows where that weight goes after death.

Whether that's true or not, I believe that there's a bit of me that isn't a part of the 'real' and physical world - the bit that links me to God and all that. I believe it's the bit of me that IS me (me feelings, emotions, values, etc) and that when I die it's the bit that goes on to heaven.

Dude that was done 100 years ago by a quack doctor under pretty shady circumstances.

linkie

I do believe in the thing called "soul" perhaps not in the way the church use to describe it.
For me the defenition of a soul is more the kind of energy that settle in a body like a kind of
chi. So I think I take it with the asians in things like spirit and so ul.

so long

As someone who believes that our very existence (consciousness) is our soul, I do believe they exist.

I don't know of any evidence nor reason to think that a soul (an immaterial part of humans that is "us"). The brain seems to be able to function as the thing that controls our consciousness, leaving no job for the soul, even if it did exist.

angel-type

angel-type

fallen angels

first what is a soul? and when i really FIND THE REALL DEFINITION than i'll say i believe in it. so far i don't no..........

Since there is no diety that could provide us with souls in the first place, there is no such thing as a soul.

Human beings are merely the sum of our experiences, learning from every action and reaction we witness in able to grow and evolve as individual creatures on this planet.

yes i believe

I don't believe in god or any religion. Neither do I believe that we can live without soul. Scientifically the brain works on electrical impulses like computers but we unlike computers can react with emotion and make choices. We can also do things with countless possibilities and this is something so special about life. I believe this is the work of the soul. About reincarnation and life after death, I hope it is possible. For the good people, that is. Although I believe there is no heaven and hell, neither are there gods or deities.

Maybe

when you have a lobotomy, the doctors sergically destroy tissues connecting to the prefrontal cortex. Now, according to Niniyasha, this should only affect his ability to process thought. Unfortunately, the person becomes something of a robot, staring at walls for hours, unintelligable babbling, one person even described it as missing a part of their soul. Your brain is who you are, souls are another one of those human fantasies of life after death.

No, I don't believe in souls.

I believe in souls,soul is the sense of "I" through experiences,what we adquired,and marked,memorized what is important for us,mind doesn't have preferences,his function is to think,preferences,personality our own visions of thinks is from our soul,something has to represent it.that what I believe what soul is.the others reasons I will not tell though.

That someone doesn't believes in souls just because they can't be seen?

Time. Time can't be seen. We only see its effects. But the effects aren't time itself. It's a dimesion, hidden among the only three that we can truly measure: volume, length, width.

We can't meassure it properly. We have atomic clocks, but even them, with -uh- time, they loose pace and need to be reajusted. Anyway, ANY clock or unit used to measure is a subjective. But it's the best we can't do.

We don't know -oh, paradox- WHEN it started, if it has and end, or if it is infinite.

Now, those are 4 dimensions. Our universe has other six. They are hidden in the matter., shrinking in the atoms. They only manifest in the black holes. They can't be seen but they exists.

The same thing we can say about the mind. In what part of our brain it resides? We haven't discovered it yet, but there's it.

As you can see, even Maths and Science need a little faith. If not, how we, mere mortals, could believe in everything that Sagan, Asimov and Hawkings wrote?

Einstein didn't believe in his own results that the Universe is expanding. He created a subjective constant to ignore yhat expansion. Later he would knew that his initial results were true.

So, how wecan say God, angels, demonds and souls don't exist, hidden in our reality, among the matter, in the atoms, invisible to us?

Now my own subjective answer. IT' taken grom the Catholic Bible, so it isn't that much fundamentalist.

A soul is the spark that makes a living thing... a living thing.

No, I didn't got that from a Transformers comic. Actually, is in the Genesis. It was something like: "God blew into the man's nose and made him live."

It means that anything alive has an invisible part that makes it alive. That makes it different from a carbon rock or a computer.

We can take carbon, phosphorus, etc, put them in a blender with electricity and heat and no living thing will appear. Only the fundamental components.

Some scientist have assembled a totally artificial virus. But a virus isn't a living thing per se. Now they want to make bacteria. Perhaps they will sucess, but we have to see what is the result and how far they can go. I hope we don't reach Frankenstein.

I personally don't believe in souls, and I personally don't believe in ressurecting a three year old thread.

Another thing though I have to point out, time is actually measurable, another is, if you're talking about minutes, and hours, thats due to because we count by the sun, earth, and our moon. Taking something like time, something actually tangable and using it to compare with something intangable is a bad idea. Same goes with atoms, and using the idea of Einstein's theory of expansion is a bad idea too, since its actually happening -.-...

Quote: Time. Time can't be seen. We only see its effects. But the effects aren't time itself. It's a dimesion, hidden among the only three that we can truly measure: volume, length, width.


There aren't any effects of time, just distance of one instance and another instance happening really. Cause if you stop time, you stop everything, and therefore theres no time.

Quote: We can take carbon, phosphorus, etc, put them in a blender with electricity and heat and no living thing will appear. Only the fundamental components.


Please, don't make statements like these especially since a lot of people here don't know that much about chemistry (I can't say a lot, but there are people that are not at the age, highschool that is, to take chem), you're going to cause a lot of random confusion and theres more than two elements. Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, etc etc... its a lot, not just two. Just don't cause other confusion.

Quote: Some scientist have assembled a totally artificial virus. But a virus isn't a living thing per se. Now they want to make bacteria. Perhaps they will sucess, but we have to see what is the result and how far they can go. I hope we don't reach Frankenstein.


Actually, viruses are living, just barely living, its not considered dead, but its not considered living because of some standards people say.

Theres a lot of things your saying that doesn't make sense. (partially due to prior knowledge) and I'd prefer to not have further confusions, ignorance is one thing that causes too many problems.

Quote: Now, those are 4 dimensions. Our universe has other six. They are hidden in the matter., shrinking in the atoms. They only manifest in the black holes. They can't be seen but they exists.


Now my question is what are you trying to say here. Are you saying we have 10 dimensions, or something else? Since its rather confusing. Generally if you don't give any info, it can just be denied right then and there.

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I don't initially believe in souls and spirits, BUT, the thought of everything just going black after death seem a bit shortsighted for someone as great as God. So theoretically, some consciousness has to remain after a person's death. Personally, I believe there has to be an after life, otherwise the purpose of existence would be bleak and of nonsense.

Hello! Haven't been around for a while. Sorry, I was kind of ill. Good to hear from you.

Quote by DarkRoseofHellI personally don't believe in souls, and I personally don't believe in ressurecting a three year old thread.

Another thing though I have to point out, time is actually measurable, another is, if you're talking about minutes, and hours, thats due to because we count by the sun, earth, and our moon. Taking something like time, something actually tangable and using it to compare with something intangable is a bad idea. Same goes with atoms, and using the idea of Einstein's theory of expansion is a bad idea too, since its actually happening -.-....

Actually happening, but Einstein didn't believe it. He tougth he was making a mistake in his maths, but realized a few years later, when it was discovered that stars were moving througth space.

Time IS NOT TANGABLE. It's fishy. The other three dimensions are tangable. Scientist KNOW IT EXISTS, THEY KNOW IT'S A DIMENSION, they work with it, but (it surprised me also) they barely know anything ITS NATURE.

Now, IF SOMETHING UNTANGABLE (but somehow meassurable) EXISTS, maybe time is the tiny point of an iceberg of an unseen world that co-exists with us, material beings. we got to be open to all possibilities.

Perhaps ATHEISM is just that we want to be blind to the EFFECTS of an existent God. What are this effects? LIFE, for instance. Tell me where the spark os life lies. Why living things die? What leaves a body that makes its functions stop?

By the way... The movement of the sun, earth... they are NOT TIME. They're effects of time. It's like that crazy SUPERMAN MOVIE when he spins the Earth backwards to go back in time.

Quote by DarkRoseofHellThere aren't any effects of time, just distance of one instance and another instance happening really. Cause if you stop time, you stop everything, and therefore theres no time.

No effects of time? Don't let Stephen Hawkings read this. Everything is a reflection of the effects of time. If you can see something rust in your backyard, imagine what happens in cosmic scale.

Quote by DarkRoseofHellPlease, don't make statements like these especially since a lot of people here don't know that much about chemistry... Just don't cause other confusion.

That experiment is known by everyone who has got trougth secondary school (junior high). And no, that isn't an insult meant to you. Just that perhaps we're underestimating other readers. Anyway, that's why Internet exists, to gather information, not just porn, kids.

Quote by DarkRoseofHellActually, viruses are living, just barely living, its not considered dead, but its not considered living because of some standards people say.

Let's say they're undead
No, truly, they're not alive, not even barely. They're sort of natural machines that say "reproduce me". Just as the computer bugs. None van say a program is alive.

Quote by DarkRoseofHellTheres a lot of things your saying that doesn't make sense. (partially due to prior knowledge) and I'd prefer to not have further confusions, ignorance is one thing that causes too many problems.

Ignorance? By me? Why's that?

Quote by DarkRoseofHellNow my question is what are you trying to say here. Are you saying we have 10 dimensions, or something else? Since its rather confusing. Generally if you don't give any info, it can just be denied right then and there.

I'm not the one that said it first! (I'm not a scientist) Blame Stephen Hawkings and Co.

You have something agaist ignorance... but you also don't want to share knowdledge... because it leads to more confusion and ignorance? mmm...
That's why we debate, I think.

Bye.

Quote: Actually happening, but Einstein didn't believe it. He tougth he was making a mistake in his maths, but realized a few years later, when it was discovered that stars were moving througth space.


If I remember correctly. It was because many scientists at his time turned down his idea, and it wasn't accepted by the scientific community. Thats why he said it was his greatest folly.

Quote: That experiment is known by everyone who has got trougth secondary school (junior high). And no, that isn't an insult meant to you. Just that perhaps we're underestimating other readers. Anyway, that's why Internet exists, to gather information, not just porn, kids.


You totally just butchered what I said. And... its not know to everyone. I've heard of it yes, (via history channel) but time is the factor that can't be imported into it.

Quote: Time IS NOT TANGABLE. It's fishy. The other three dimensions are tangable. Scientist KNOW IT EXISTS, THEY KNOW IT'S A DIMENSION, they work with it, but (it surprised me also) they barely know anything ITS NATURE.

Now, IF SOMETHING UNTANGABLE (but somehow meassurable) EXISTS, maybe time is the tiny point of an iceberg of an unseen world that co-exists with us, material beings. we got to be open to all possibilities.


Something measurable technically is tangible.

Quote: Perhaps ATHEISM is just that we want to be blind to the EFFECTS of an existent God. What are this effects? LIFE, for instance. Tell me where the spark os life lies. Why living things die? What leaves a body that makes its functions stop?


Now you're just sounding like a converter and trying to demean atheists. That there is just an insult.

Quote: I'm not the one that said it first! (I'm not a scientist) Blame Stephen Hawkings and Co.


Stephen Hawkings an ego psycho, lol. Just kidding. Anyways, at least you gave some information for us (or me at least) to look around.

Quote: You have something agaist ignorance... but you also don't want to share knowdledge... because it leads to more confusion and ignorance? mmm...
That's why we debate, I think.


Ummm... define share knowledge? Cause I don't like sharing my personal life and stuff... I don't mind trying to share things that I'm comfortable with to the best of my knowledge, but don't expect me to know everything.

Quote: Let's say they're undead
No, truly, they're not alive, not even barely. They're sort of natural machines that say "reproduce me". Just as the computer bugs. None van say a program is alive.


O.o... but a living thing generally want to live, right? Though they don't really react to things touching them, they still reproduce and live.

Quote: No effects of time? Don't let Stephen Hawkings read this. Everything is a reflection of the effects of time. If you can see something rust in your backyard, imagine what happens in cosmic scale.


Let Chemistry go to work? Generally what I mean is that time doesn't do anything, theres things that require time (as in how long it takes) but it doesn't mean that time itself is at fault. Like fermenting something, you need more than time in order to ferment something (like a pickle, or even some alcoholic drink).

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