POLL: Should ppl get Fired from Work 4 Smoking &/or Overweight?

should ppl get fired for smoking and or overweight at work?

Smokers ONLY Should Quit or get Fired!
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Overweight people ONLY Should lose weight or get Fired!
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Smokers & Overweight ppl Should Quit their ways or get Fired!
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Corporations have no rights to tell us what to do...
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Frosty

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This was actually a pretty good topic that I pick up yesterday from my work while I was watching the buz news....

Do You think ppl should get Fired from their job for Smoking &/or being Overweight?

Now some of US base companies are starting to pick up this policy of ...
If you Smoke or Overwight, you either quit smoking and/or lose the weight OR LOSE YOUR JOB!

some US and European base companies asre adopting this as a way to reduce their health care cost. Well I know if this topic really concern that many members here on MT ;) but it is something worth thinking about.

I dont like to be around people who smokes *not that I have anything against them* and well... some ppl have big bones.. lol.. so you know you really can't say hmm.. well I don't know... I guess some americans could use alittle bit of weight lost...

But think about it this way, now they say you can't smoke or be overweight.. next thing you know Corporations of the world will be telling you what you can do and what you cannot do, eat or cannot eat and so forth or get fired! well not that I think it would happen but... hmm... :hmpf:

...in the future when you go and get a job, besides have to show up with your resume, they will have a scale for you and gives you a breathalyzer test... and for all of you ppl who is alittle over and who smokes.. no jobs for you.. now how about that... :hmpf:

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Overweight should eat healthier food and stop their lazy lifes and TRAIN!

Smokers are often just way too STUPID to realize, how bad things they do to themselves, and to others....like me ;)

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  • Jan 11, 2006

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Hey, c'mon, lets not be hatin' on people.

I'm not high or fat, but we really shouldn't be judging others like... blah blah blah, you get my point.

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i dont understand, im a smoker but why the hell should i loose my job for it? No way jose <_<....overweight people are silly though.

  • Jan 12, 2006
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oh my goodness, I don't think company have any right to tell people what to do. That is like our freedom! but I do think that people could use a little bit of weight lost and stop smoking for ithose are unhealthy toyou anyway!

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  • Jan 14, 2006
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Well, I actually want to get rid of employers having to pay for health care in the first place...but hey, why should people be responsible for their personal well-being? Thats a silly idea.

Besides, if the employers didn't throw these benefits out, this issue would never arise unless either action impeded the employees ability to work.

  • Jan 14, 2006
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WTF! no way should you be able to lose your job over smoking or your weight.
It is really OTT. REALLY!
I mean, its the same sorta thing thats happening here in NZ. If you drive a bus or taxi and have being convicted of a crime in the last 40 years you will lose your job from Mondey on.
Even if it was just slepping with your underage girlfriend 34 years ago with no convictions at all since.

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  • Jan 14, 2006

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>_< loosing a job for these reasons is just too bad...
There is always been discrimination at work (strangers,women,young people,...) ... it's just sad ... they will always say they don't do discrimination but it's obvious they do :/

But anyways, about smoking, it will be soon totally forbidden in public places here... so at work too... ^_^'

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It's much more easier to stop smoking than to lose weight. There are people that are overweight and it's not their fault, like, one of their parents is, or any other familiy member too, you get it, genes and such....
Of course that if that is the case they should be careful with what they eat.
Here at my place they're gonna forbid smoking in public places too, but I still think that people will ignore this.

Besides, just because you're this and that doesn't mean you're good at what you do. It depends on your job. People who smoke or ar overweight aren't really the best ones to have certains jobs but they might be good at other jobs, who knows!
I don't think that's right. I have one overweight teacher and I don't think he should be fired just because of that.
It's like discrimination.

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Sacked for smokin or bein' overweight !? whatta they do if your both shoot ya :/ ?
I mean i can see where they're comin' from even if they're basically only coverin' their own ass.
I bet anything there was a smoker or overweight person who got injured on the job so they're using it as a stepping stone to push it through. Tell ya wot though if this gets through man are the unions gonna have a field day XD .So i doubt they'll get it through.

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Quote by Cammie....im a smoker but why the hell should i loose my job for it? No way jose <_< ....

well sorry bubby.. but hmm.... see their argument to that is that because if you get lung canner or any illness or *serious illness* due to smoking, it is not you who will be paying for it, it is the company who pays for your Health Care who is going to pay and since smokers will eventually have health issues down the line... and since on currently about 30 states in the US and in europe that the employer CAN choose who they want to hire, they are putting that as a requirement...

Quote by blue-chan....I don't think company have any right to tell people what to do. That is like our freedom! ...

I agree with you on that... ;) but eh.. well the thing is that the companies who is enforcing these rules isn't saying if you smoke or overweight they will fired you, they are saying, if you smoke or overweight, you either quit/ lose the weight, we will have programs for you to along the way if you want, or we will fired you if you choose not to.

Quote by MystfyreWell, I actually want to get rid of employers having to pay for health care in the first place...but hey, why should people be responsible for their personal well-being? Thats a silly idea.

Besides, if the employers didn't throw these benefits out, this issue would never arise unless either action impeded the employees ability to work.

that is very true, but as a company, they should look after their workers so they have better health to work for you longer and also that it is a law in the north US and most european country .. and I'm sure all first world nation that they have to prove health care... especially with health care so expensive and all....

But... mmm... think about it.. will you wana work on a place that don't give you medical care?

Quote by VellongriaWTF! no way should you be able to lose your job over smoking or your weight.
It is really OTT. REALLY!
I mean, its the same sorta thing thats happening here in NZ. If you drive a bus or taxi and have being convicted of a crime in the last 40 years you will lose your job from Mondey on.
Even if it was just slepping with your underage girlfriend 34 years ago with no convictions at all since.

hmm... I guess thats the world for you... mot much second chance in life at times.. which makes it kind of sad.. but yea.. as I said before they will help you lose the weight or quit smoking .. but IF you choose not to then they will fired you.. ^_^'

Quote by papyworld...about smoking, it will be soon totally forbidden in public places here... so at work too... ^_^'


I hope so too.. and hope ppl finally realize that smoking is slowly killing you.. but eh.. look at places in China, Indina, and most places in asia... they smoke like.. I don't ... I don't even know what the word to desribe it.... >_<

Quote by Kairi-HeartsIt's much more easier to stop smoking than to lose weight. There are people that are overweight and it's not their fault, like, one of their parents is, or any other familiy member too, you get it, genes and such....
Of course that if that is the case they should be careful with what they eat.
Here at my place they're gonna forbid smoking in public places too, but I still think that people will ignore this.

I couldn't agrree more.. but in the end.. since health care in genreal is expensive in north america and even through I been told its cheaper in europe... but still it is still expensive in nature for the doctors bill... and with corporations are looking for all kinds of way save themselves from turning into what happens with GM *genreal motors* with the union and healthcare issues that is destroying the company *besides other things*... they really need to found a way to cut cost.. or some excuse to fired people.. lol..

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...just because you're this and that doesn't mean you're good at what you do. It depends on your job. People who smoke or ar overweight aren't really the best ones to have certains jobs but they might be good at other jobs, who knows!
I don't think that's right. I have one overweight teacher and I don't think he should be fired just because of that.
It's like discrimination.


That is so true and again, I'm just gonna point ot that they are going to ask them to lose the weight, and they will help them... it is only if they chose not to then tehy will get fired...

Quote by spikespiegelSacked for smokin or bein' overweight !? whatta they do if your both shoot ya :/ ?
I mean i can see where they're comin' from even if they're basically only coverin' their own ass.


yup.. and some company are doing as last result and in the US since the gov is still republican/ big business... I can see by the end of all this.. the little guys workers ain't gonna get any say so outta this.. >_<

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I bet anything there was a smoker or overweight person who got injured on the job so they're using it as a stepping stone to push it through. Tell ya wot though if this gets through man are the unions gonna have a field day XD .So i doubt they'll get it through.

... well I bet the big buz will use this as a big excuse to fire some donut eating union heads.. lol.. and speaking of unions I gotta give my two cents into this.. well.. some unions are great but some are just a waste of money and eating up the company slowly and bring them to ch 11. *bankruptcy* .... that is my take on some unions.. expecially those who got so big that they just don't even care for the well beginning of those people they are supposely work for... but then again.. alot of the time it is thx to unions that corp could do us unjustly... so I really can't complain on that... :nya:

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depends how much they smoke and how overweight the person is, like if they smoke too much, taking too many breaks, get rid of them, if they are really overweight, and close to having heart failure or something, and are a risk to their company, then they should be told to lose weight or get fired

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  • Jan 16, 2006

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I think that the overweight thing should be overlooked. Depending on how overweight they are that is. But the smoking is rude and should be banned from public places! It's a total risk to the work community!

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  • Jan 16, 2006
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That is like a threat aye? >.<

  • Jan 18, 2006

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I agree that smoking shouldn't be allowed in the work place, that's why I go outside to smoke during my breaks. However that whole overweight thing is completely wrong. While I think that overweight people can and should attempt to lose weight just for their own health, I don't think the company they work for has the right to fire them for being overweight. That's outright discrimination.

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how about mind your own damn business...it's their business that they smoke and that they are overweight...it's discrimination on both levels. cigarettes are bad yes...but they know they are bad but it's an addiction...i would know...that's why i hate it when people say smoking is bad for you...i know it's bad but it's got me by the ass. people in michigan are getting fired because they smoke on their own time! oh so they can come there with a hangover and not get fired? i hate that...i cant smoke a cigarette in my house without getting fired from my job?! good thing i don't live in michigan ^^ as for the overweight issue, it is discrimination...they can work just as well as a skinny person can..that's like firing a girl cos her boobs aint big enough. heh i rant like this kinda often about cigs and the government so here's your warning

  • Feb 15, 2006

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I don't think either is good enough a reason to fire somebody. Smokers however should be warned if they're giving half the employees second-hand smoke, 'cause hey, if you want lung cancer, that's your life. Don't drag my health into this.
But yea, saying someone can't work in a company for obesity on the otherhand is just wrong. It does NOT affect anyone else and it's just as silly as saying, "We're not going to hire you because you're asian/black/white/mexican/homosexual." If it doesn't affect their work performance, just shut up and let the man/woman work.

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  • Feb 17, 2006

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I think its bad for a teacher should be fired from work and thats about it because they will have an influence on the kids

  • Feb 17, 2006

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Now this is intriguing, indeed. Funnily enough, my colleagues and I did actually have a similar discussion about this just a while ago, so I decided to give off a little bit of my input as well, while just reviewing the facts of what Frosty had already stated on this topic from above:

Quote by FrostyNow some of US base companies are starting to pick up this policy of ...
If you Smoke or Overwight, you either quit smoking and/or lose the weight OR LOSE YOUR JOB!

some US and European base companies asre adopting this as a way to reduce their health care cost.

Evidently North Americans are the hardest hit when it comes to greater-than-average obesity rates all around the world. When you think about it, companies should emphasize more on a much different tactical approach to making people lose weight - by focusing it mainly towards a much fresher generation of youths first and foremost, especially children who are so overweight, that their lives are already in jeopardy as they have developed severe problematics occuring from adult-like symptoms, such as immediate liver cancer and Type II Diabetes. You just won't believe how much it costs nowadays to even have the children maintain their very own health, and if nothing can be helped to staple the fast-food cause that has been on the rise ever since the "Obsession Era," pretty much the work generation of the future could be best put under smoke. It should be the duties of schools to keep the children into shape, and assistance from companies to associate with gym clubs if special cases arise from those who can't mentally nor physically seem to get their own weight off, while trying to keep it off in any sort of way. Regardless of what's going on, food companies believe they are benefiting much from the latest fast food craze that draws more victims into obesity every single day. It's too bad that they don't see the picture of the way people will turn out in the long run, and eventually they will have to pay the price. It's funny how these things work around the world - diminishing the quality of life for big money. Many people need to smarten up and see that losing weight should be done at a long-term pace, not just giving in a "fast-to-fix" solution, you know. Surely many employees would be unsatisfied by this result.

Quote by FrostyBut think about it this way, now they say you can't smoke or be overweight.. next thing you know Corporations of the world will be telling you what you can do and what you cannot do, eat or cannot eat and so forth or get fired! well not that I think it would happen but... hmm...

Actually, bigger corporations are adapting to this rule even more strictly as we speak. Telling what you can or cannot do is not only based on common sense by an individual, but from fundamental rules as well. Casinos are worse, because not only does it tell you how to act like a parent would to their child, but even enforce you to keep up a "great attitude personality," something that not many can manage especially when stressful life comes into quick gear. As such, there are also companies out there who claim such regulations just to hire and fire people in-and-out just so that the corporations don't have to give off a pay raise. It's just some of the things they'll supposed do "for the better of mankind" - but in essence, it all boils down to money, money, money. **Shakes her head in shame**

Quote by Kairi-HeartsIt's much more easier to stop smoking than to lose weight.

Not always evidently true. Much easier? Smoking in fact is already known for its outrageous addiction that even many individuals around the world would have a tough time overcoming, time and time again. Actually, when you think of each situation in its long term scenarios, many more people would actually be able to lose their weight better over a term of one year through personal training and motivation rather than quitting the habit of smoking permanently / dramatically smoking less. Of course, it could go either way - who knows. That's just my opinion here. Unfortunately, heavy smoking and tremendous obesity from an individual is a terrible ordeal / extreme addiction-causing habit you can't really have much control of, directly and get rid of. It's too bad that they wouldn't be able to support themselves or even their families in any sort of way.

Quote by Kairi-HeartsHere at my place they're gonna forbid smoking in public places too, but I still think that people will ignore this.

Which is a shame. [Don't be offended though - I never supported second-hand smoking in the first place, nor do I like it either.] I really think that smoking should be banned from all public places like schools or malls, where it hasn't yet been implemented already. As for people who wave the signs and show ignorance towards these non-smoking policies, you won't believe how many times smokers are told to stop, especially when they are told to stay away from even the gas stations, for example. To actually smoke near a gas station and never think about the possibility of blowing up your own car, let alone start a fire that might stretch for several yards. It's funny that some of these people really need to smarten up before they cause a whole world of definite pain.

Quote by ParralaXI don't think either is good enough a reason to fire somebody. Smokers however should be warned if they're giving half the employees second-hand smoke, 'cause hey, if you want lung cancer, that's your life. Don't drag my health into this.
But yea, saying someone can't work in a company for obesity on the otherhand is just wrong. It does NOT affect anyone else and it's just as silly as saying, "We're not going to hire you because you're asian/black/white/mexican/homosexual." If it doesn't affect their work performance, just shut up and let the man/woman work.

Well said. Being obese shouldn't also mark an extremely well educated individual with particularly multiple uniquely-trained skills from losing their jobs.

Speaking of which, it would be funny to bring up this kind of attention from many hospitals in general, where there is already a good portion of doctors who actually do smoke all over the world. If you would put up this kind of corporation / company policy and tell them to either quit smoking or make them lose their jobs, I wonder what in the world they would ne thinking and how they might actually support and backup those doctors who decidingly become absent in the workforce because of this situation. It's funny when you think about the policy as a whole, really.

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I say fire them for those reasons IF it is getting in their way of work or making them less efficient but other than that they shouldn't care about it.

  • Mar 31, 2006
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I think to get fired right away because of that is not fair. I think it is best if they are adviced for losing their weight or stop smoking. I think they can start by cutting their salary and increase it if they manage to improve. But in long run if there is no improvement they may get temporarily fired or something like that.

  • Apr 01, 2006

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So long as it doesn't infringe on any laws and impede in your abilities to do your job effectively, then I say no you shouldn't be fired for it.

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i dont thnk that ppl shuld get fired ovr sumthing like this.so long as it doesnt affect the person at doing their job then they shulnt get fired 4 it

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  • Apr 01, 2006
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The reasons that corporations and the"Powers that be" want this could be for several reasons, as they believe.

1: Image. Smokers and (Obese) overweight persons don't look good on the "Bottom Line" (The almighty dollar !)
2: We are for a "profit company" and we tired of paying for health benifits and cost for weight issues. Our goal is to make a profit. Not to subsidize your habit.
3:We want a smoke free environment for our customers and clients.
4: We will impose our will on you, the employee.

The choice should be w/ the individuals who smoke and are over weight. They should be made aware of health related issues that could affect their health and their wallets/ purses. There should be options for that person (S).

Unfortuantely, some companies (employers) and insurances do discriminates against individuals who smoke and are obesely overweight. Hey, what's the next thing, discriminate a person who has 27 pairs of chromosomes instead of the 23 pairs of chromosomes ? Hey, some people discriminate against others who are overweight and / smoke.

When a person who makes choices in what they consume (foods that may chemicals and additives that may accelerate weight gains. )

When a person who smokes cigerettes/ cigars, the gases and chemicals that do harm the smoker's health.

There are companies are profitting such as fast foods companies, tobacco and to a degree, the government agencies themselves.

From a point of the company / business owners, "Healthy people are cheaper to insure than people who smoke/ who are over weight/ and have any other health related issues" "If they won't or don't change their ways, then we will !"

I see this as a "behavioral modificatin" that the company/ coporate masters are imposing on their workers. Either "Shape up or GET OUT !"

Of course, exercising is a helluva lot cheaper, it's fun for U in moderation. Do it with friends and when U don't smoke or watch your weight, eat foods that are healthy for U, it's alot cheaper on your waller/ purse !

  • Apr 27, 2006

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