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Since the old Battle Thread is now entirely pointless to continue because of the total bias fanboy/girl dictatorship going on there.


So here is a new and hopefully improved Battle Thread topic.

Place your battle, then others can discuss why they believe one would win and/or one would lose. Then, if you wish, place another one after.

This is thread for ACTUAL DISCUSSION, so if you believe someone would win/lose, please TRY to go in-depth as to your reasons why you believe so. Like if someone puts down...say...Sasuke vs. Neji (both in Shippuuden) and you believe Sasuke would win, please try to give at least a somewhat in-depth and descriptive reason as to why you believe why Sasuke would win and/or why Neji would lose.

If the ONLY reason(s) you have for someone winning/losing is bias fanboy/girl reasons and/or just personal love/hate for the character themself, then do NOT bother posting a response.

So things like...

"Sauske would mow down any body except naruto"

"Dude EMS Owns"

"Oh Neji sucks"

"Byakugan < Sharingan"

"Sharingan is the best Dojutsu Tech"

"Sharingan Users win reguardless of reasoning"

...are NOT allowed. If you post stuff like that, you WILL be reported for it for spamming the thread.

The same goes for flaming. You are free to CIVILLY debate with other people, but if someone doesn't agree with your reasoning (with their own decent reasoning and not just because they like/hate the character you voted for/against) as to why someone would win/lose, then do NOT bash them or flame them or that will also be reported as spam. So, for the above, if one person believes Sasuke would win, but you believe Neji would win, neither one of you is allowed to point at the other and go, "You're a stupid retard for thinking that!" or anything like that.

So with that all out of the way, for the first battle, let's start out a little simpler. How about...

Neji vs. Kimimaro

Both experts at hand-to-hand combat, both with powerful Kekkei Genkai at their disposal.

  • Jun 02, 2010

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Kimmaro his Kekkagai Genkai gave him perferct Defense & Offense his dances would overwhelm Neji easily. His Braken Dance covers a wide area that neji would'nt be able to escape.Also Neji only good moves if he can get in close is 8 Trigrams 128 palms the way Kimmaro moves he would have no chance. So this is what i started huh?


Izuna Uchica vs Sai

Izunas has EMs and was Madara equal in power For Sai great long range but crappy close range so lets see who wins

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Well, as we can see, Neji has worked to overcome the weakness of the pure melee Taijutsu style with the Air Palm attacks. And we also can't forget that Neji still has the ability to send chakra through the body and close up chakra points. Even Kimimaro's ability to strengthen his bones can't resist pure chakra being pushed into him and blocking his points and/or damaging his internal organs (as the chakra can penetrate even powerful armors) and his Kekkei Genkai would still require chakra to use.

This is why I picked the 2 for the first match-up; because it's NOT so obvious who would win or lose, thus providing more discussion. (Kimimaro's offense and defense is also not "perfect" at all.) Only some of the most (purposely) absurd battles would be obvious. (Like Hinata vs. Jiraiya was.)

Izuna vs. Sai is a pretty absurd battle too...

Sai would get kicked around easily by Izuna. Considering Izuna was Madara's equal in pretty much every way (while in his prime no less) and we've seen bits of what Madara is/was capable of, and even Sasuke with a normal Sharingan was able to pretty much petrify Sai early on in Shippuuden. Sai being a ROOT ANBU doesn't necessarily mean he's some sort of super-human or anything. Definitely better than your average shinobi at his age, but not WAY up there.

  • Jun 03, 2010

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaWell, as we can see, Neji has worked to overcome the weakness of the pure melee Taijutsu style with the Air Palm attacks. And we also can't forget that Neji still has the ability to send chakra through the body and close up chakra points. Even Kimimaro's ability to strengthen his bones can't resist pure chakra being pushed into him and blocking his points and/or damaging his internal organs (as the chakra can penetrate even powerful armors) and his Kekkei Genkai would still require chakra to use.

This is why I picked the 2 for the first match-up; because it's NOT so obvious who would win or lose, thus providing more discussion. (Kimimaro's offense and defense is also not "perfect" at all.) Only some of the most (purposely) absurd battles would be obvious. (Like Hinata vs. Jiraiya was.)

Izuna vs. Sai is a pretty absurd battle too...

Sai would get kicked around easily by Izuna. Considering Izuna was Madara's equal in pretty much every way (while in his prime no less) and we've seen bits of what Madara is/was capable of, and even Sasuke with a normal Sharingan was able to pretty much petrify Sai early on in Shippuuden. Sai being a ROOT ANBU doesn't necessarily mean he's some sort of super-human or anything. Definitely better than your average shinobi at his age, but not WAY up there.


True and I'll give you the Air Palms well next fight

Kismae vs Suigetsu
Both Combantants have tremounds Charkar control and are great swordsmen so this is gonna be close

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Kisame would own Suigetsu overall and, last we saw anyway, was doing so during Suigetsu's attempt at fighting him while Sasuke was fighting Itachi. IIRC, Suigetsu (and his brother) were merely apprentices working to become part of the Seven Swordsman, but were never actually members. This would mean Kisame has much greater experience in both swordsmanship and the general field than Suigetsu. There's also the fact that Samehada "eats" chakra, thus many of Suigetsu's attacks and defenses, which would be pretty reliant on his Suiton chakra would be rendered at least heavily weakened if not useless. Kisame also shows finer kenjutsu abilities while Suigetsu just seems to swing around Kubikiri H?ch? in hopes of slicing his opponent.

We also got a more in-depth look at Kisame's abilities vs. Bee and, were it not part of the plan for Kisame to "die" and secretly infiltrate Kumo, he most likely would have defeated Bee; something Suigetsu was nowhere near being able to do. He had to use everything he had just to BARELY defend against Bee's bijuu chakra attack and even then, was knocked out cold after.

  • Jun 04, 2010

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaKisame would own Suigetsu overall and, last we saw anyway, was doing so during Suigetsu's attempt at fighting him while Sasuke was fighting Itachi. IIRC, Suigetsu (and his brother) were merely apprentices working to become part of the Seven Swordsman, but were never actually members. This would mean Kisame has much greater experience in both swordsmanship and the general field than Suigetsu. There's also the fact that Samehada "eats" chakra, thus many of Suigetsu's attacks and defenses, which would be pretty reliant on his Suiton chakra would be rendered at least heavily weakened if not useless. Kisame also shows finer kenjutsu abilities while Suigetsu just seems to swing around Kubikiri H?ch? in hopes of slicing his opponent.

We also got a more in-depth look at Kisame's abilities vs. Bee and, were it not part of the plan for Kisame to "die" and secretly infiltrate Kumo, he most likely would have defeated Bee; something Suigetsu was nowhere near being able to do. He had to use everything he had just to BARELY defend against Bee's bijuu chakra attack and even then, was knocked out cold after.


True and I know they're backstory already ok Kismae was my pick anyways to win Raikage & Bee speed was faster than him still he would one
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Itachi vs Pain

Itachi has The Yata Mirror and The sword of tosuka for pain his animal,ahura,life and other realms well lets see who wins

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I hazard to guess on anything involving the Rinnegan right now, given we know very little about it, especially when it comes to fighting the ((Eternal)(Mangekyo)) Sharingan. But considering it seems the Rinnegan is the progenitor to the Sharingan, then Pain would probably be stronger overall. Especially when you consider he was able to beat Jiraiya (albeit because of him having the element of surprise with the Rinnegan on his side) when even Itachi admitted that he would be defeated by him, even with Kisame's help...so it's hard to say right now.

  • Jun 04, 2010

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaI hazard to guess on anything involving the Rinnegan right now, given we know very little about it, especially when it comes to fighting the ((Eternal)(Mangekyo)) Sharingan. But considering it seems the Rinnegan is the progenitor to the Sharingan, then Pain would probably be stronger overall. Especially when you consider he was able to beat Jiraiya (albeit because of him having the element of surprise with the Rinnegan on his side) when even Itachi admitted that he would be defeated by him, even with Kisame's help...so it's hard to say right now.


Yeah it would be tough The Yata Mirror is defense that blocks mosta ttcks. The sword of totsuka just need one strike on Tendo or God relam sealinmg him. Either way that's a tough fight

Great White Fang vs Inzuna Uchica

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Well, it could depend on the user as well as the strength of Susano'o itself since, as shown, it's not completely invincible and not like it doesn't come without a hefty price of chakra as well as possibly damage to your own body (as Sasuke commented), so it's not as easy as just flipping on a switch and just standing there all contently. And the Sword of Totsuka would still require an actual hit on the opponent and someone like Pain wouldn't just stand around and let it happen.

With the Rinnegan, with 6 bodies anyway, being "all-seeing", getting in that strike would be quite difficult. And we can't be sure on how the Rinnegan techniques would work against Susano'o and others (again, which is why I hazard to try to guess). For all we know, the Shinra Tensei could just bypass Susano'o, given it's not actually an "attack" like other jutsus, but just manipulation of gravity. And, to counter Totsuka, the Chibaku Tensei could possibly end up sealing the opponent, Susano'o and all...but we just can't be sure right now. Maybe when/if Madara/Sasuke fights the undead Nagato or something, we might see.

For Sakumo vs. Izuna...hard to say since we know little to nothing about Sakumo in terms of abilities. We know his reputation was said to have been (almost) as great as the Sannin, but reputation doesn't necessarily equal power.

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaWell, it could depend on the user as well as the strength of Susano'o itself since, as shown, it's not completely invincible and not like it doesn't come without a hefty price of chakra as well as possibly damage to your own body (as Sasuke commented), so it's not as easy as just flipping on a switch and just standing there all contently. And the Sword of Totsuka would still require an actual hit on the opponent and someone like Pain wouldn't just stand around and let it happen.

With the Rinnegan, with 6 bodies anyway, being "all-seeing", getting in that strike would be quite difficult. And we can't be sure on how the Rinnegan techniques would work against Susano'o and others (again, which is why I hazard to try to guess). For all we know, the Shinra Tensei could just bypass Susano'o, given it's not actually an "attack" like other jutsus, but just manipulation of gravity. And, to counter Totsuka, the Chibaku Tensei could possibly end up sealing the opponent, Susano'o and all...but we just can't be sure right now. Maybe when/if Madara/Sasuke fights the undead Nagato or something, we might see.

For Sakumo vs. Izuna...hard to say since we know little to nothing about Sakumo in terms of abilities. We know his reputation was said to have been (almost) as great as the Sannin, but reputation doesn't necessarily equal power.


Yeah I Know But Still this is alot of what if whne it come to sharingan & riinngan

Hmm lets see ahh this one

3rd Kazekage vs Deiadara

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Yeah, and it's because of all those "what-ifs" that make it impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion. Just like with Gundam vs. battles, especially between different universes.

Considering that Gaara seemed like he could've/would've defeated Deidara, had Deidara not used the entire village as a shield, then I'd have to go and say the 3rd Kazekage would win over Deidara, especially considering he was supposed to be the strongest of the Kazekages in Suna's history. Sasori would've had much more even grounds with him given he also came from Suna and would know of such things. Not to mention his abilities with human puppetry, which allow the puppets to keep their Kekkei Genkai and chakra.

As a site-note, knowing the capabilities of such people like Sasori and whatnot only makes it that much more stupid that he and other Akatsuki members LOST to people like Sakura and whatnot...

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Quote by HalfDemonInuyashaYeah, and it's because of all those "what-ifs" that make it impossible to come to a reasonable conclusion. Just like with Gundam vs. battles, especially between different universes.

Considering that Gaara seemed like he could've/would've defeated Deidara, had Deidara not used the entire village as a shield, then I'd have to go and say the 3rd Kazekage would win over Deidara, especially considering he was supposed to be the strongest of the Kazekages in Suna's history. Sasori would've had much more even grounds with him given he also came from Suna and would know of such things. Not to mention his abilities with human puppetry, which allow the puppets to keep their Kekkei Genkai and chakra.

As a site-note, knowing the capabilities of such people like Sasori and whatnot only makes it that much more stupid that he and other Akatsuki members LOST to people like Sakura and whatnot...


True and well Saosri should not have lost in my eyes either

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Kabuto vs Kakashi

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Well, if it's Kabuto right now where the manga is, then chances are that Kabuto would win, given he's basically himself + Orochimaru put together and Kakashi couldn't even (by his own words) beat Orochimaru alone. If it was the previous Kabuto, then Kakashi would probably end up the victor given his greater amount of experience and greater versatility in abilities whereas the older Kabuto is primarily a close-combat specialist with chakra scalpels. Of course, not to say Kabuto wouldn't give Kakashi a hard fight (as said, they were said to be on similar Levels), but Kakashi just has a much wider range of abilities. The Sharingan also helps in being able to track Kabuto's movements too.

  • Jun 06, 2010

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True and well how bout this one

Asuma vs baki

Wind masters battle

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Dunno if that one can even be answered given neither one was really shown all-out fighting and both are the same rank and all. x_x

  • Jun 07, 2010

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Yeah well asuma had hsi battle which if kakuzu did'nt help hidan he would asuma would'nt ahve died

Sasori vs Itachi

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Itachi would trounce Sasori easily. While Sasori does have experience with killing 2 Kazekages, Itachi would be able to see the chakra strings used to control the puppets and probably be able to sever them. At the very least, Itachi's affinity with fire as opposed to all the wood of Sasori's puppets...yeah. Dunno how Genjutsu would affect Sasori as it was never shown and Taijutsu is always an option, though Sasori's puppet traps helps protect him in such an event. If Itachi wanted to end it quickly, then Amaterasu would be able to do the job pretty nicely.

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yes and well interesting

Nagato vs Guy & Kakashi

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Given even Kakashi with Chouza, Chouji, and others couldn't do anything to him (unless you mean Nagato himself), then I doubt just having Gai alongside him would make any difference. It took Gai opening 6 of the Gates just to beat a 30% chakra-full Kisame clone after all. In terms of Nagato himself, despite his seemingly crippled appearance, I would have to say that it's likely that he himself is STRONGER than the 6 bodies in terms of power, given he's the original and all.

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Yeah I meant him Nagato not the six paths. now here's tough one

Root vs Itachi & Kisame

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Eh, honestly, I doubt ROOT minus a few select members are THAT powerful as Danzo also requires them to be completely and utterly loyal to him without question. It wouldn't do to have members that are powerful, yet also have a chance of betraying him in any way (at least not without being able to easily eliminate them otherwise), so they'd need to be at least usable, yet weak enough to remain controlled by him.

While Fu and Torune had shown to be smart and skilled on their own, Madara was still just toying with them and ended the fight quite easily when he chose to.

  • Jun 09, 2010

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yup

Madara vs The Kages

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If it were one on one, then probably Madara, but against ALL 5 Kages at once (regardless of who they are anyway), I doubt even Madara, at least without Kyuubi at his disposal, would be able to win. And if he were so easily capable of doing so, then he would've done so at the Summit after Sasuke fought with them and just be done with it, but he's not so foolish and arrogant (anymore anyway) as to believe himself (yet) to be so all-powerful like that.

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yeah well if he has the jyubbi then is ay diffrent story for the kages

Deidara vs Animal Realm Pein(female)

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