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Kuzain

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Quote by BenHoI'm a gay male so I'm obviously going to say I support it. I understand why people find it odd. Men and women were kinda made for each other. But I just don't feel the same when I'm with a girl as i do when I'm with a guy. When I'm with a girl, I just want to hang out and joke about shit like setting people on fire. Guys, I can actually understand. I'm not "too" feminine so I relate to guys better. And it helps that I just like to see naked guys more than naked girls.
Do I think gay mairrage is ever going to be legal in America? No. Becuase people like my dad exist in this world.

I think it will be. With every generation it grows more accepted and as other countries allow it, the pressure for the US to do the same will likely grow to a point where it gets allowed. Then there will be a lot of complaints for a few decades and eventually everything will die down and it won't be an issue.

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i really dont care who marries who. does it really matter what the gender is?

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Quote by BenHoI'm a gay male so I'm obviously going to say I support it. I understand why people find it odd. Men and women were kinda made for each other. But I just don't feel the same when I'm with a girl as i do when I'm with a guy. When I'm with a girl, I just want to hang out and joke about shit like setting people on fire. Guys, I can actually understand. I'm not "too" feminine so I relate to guys better. And it helps that I just like to see naked guys more than naked girls.
Do I think gay mairrage is ever going to be legal in America? No. Becuase people like my dad exist in this world.

It will be. It might not be tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or the day after that. But it will be and I predict it will happen within a decade. It's been legalized since 2001 in Holland (first country in the world to allow same-sex marriages) and as people become more openminded it is inevitable that same-sex marriages will happen. Hate can only go that far, it will be overcome eventually. A country can't hold itself back forever, it must and will progress. As a heterosexual, this issue doesn't affect me much. I have written a paper on this topic though, so thats why I'm sharing this w/ everybody.

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bani-kyu

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I've never had any problems with same-sex marriage. My whole life, I've been raised in a very open-minded household. Upon learning about my two aunts, I didn't have an ounce of difficulty accepting them - after all, they're two of the most amazing, kind people I've ever met, why should anything else matter?
I can kind of understand some religious people being pissed about the whole 'marriage is between a man and woman' crap, but, if it bothers them so much, they could call it a 'unity' instead of a marriage. At least, locally, that seems to be most people's problem is calling it a 'marriage'. Sheesh... it's just a word. ^^'

Kuzain

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Quote by bani-kyuAt least, locally, that seems to be most people's problem is calling it a 'marriage'. Sheesh... it's just a word. ^^'

But a lot of gay people also want that word. Neither side can really say it is just a word because it does mean something important to most people. And as the Supreme Court ruled, the "seperate but equal" idea is not equality at all. So I don't think calling it by a seperate word is a good idea, but maybe it could help in the short term.

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separate but equal? That was in terms of race. The fact is, gay people have the same right as anyone else...they can marry any willing member of the opposite sex of the legal age they please. Whether they choose to excersize that option is not the fault of the government or "the system" or "the man" or what have you.

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Kuzain

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Legally, that is a valid arguement. But I was referring to those who might think that creating an institution just like marriage but called by a different name would be the perfect solution. So long as it is called by a different name, it will imply a different kind of love and commitment and so long as it does that, it isn't acceptable.

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oh definitely a big no-no..basically by having "superficial union" with the same-sex, you are breaking the laws of nature..if anyone has seen a gay dog, or a lesbian cat (no spoofs) please do tell me..the primary reason why couple's get married is to start a family, to conceive a child..and same-sex marriage will never achieve that.

yeah tradition changes, but not all.. it's tradition and ethics to give respect to your elders right? will you change it coz your free to choose what you want to do? of course not..same goes with marriage..it's too damn immoral and unethical

here in my country, there are a lot of gay people, i have friends who are homosexuals and they are really nice, but our culture does not accept them getting married.we as a people ain't ready for that just yet..

i agree that everyone has the right to choose. but give too much freedom to people and the tendency is it is going to be abused. if this goes on, maybe the next weird thing we'll see is man-chicken marriage or sumthing like that..that's freaky

Kuzain

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Quote by lapukoh definitely a big no-no..basically by having "superficial union" with the same-sex, you are breaking the laws of nature..if anyone has seen a gay dog, or a lesbian cat (no spoofs) please do tell me..the primary reason why couple's get married is to start a family, to conceive a child..and same-sex marriage will never achieve that.

yeah tradition changes, but not all.. it's tradition and ethics to give respect to your elders right? will you change it coz your free to choose what you want to do? of course not..same goes with marriage..it's too damn immoral and unethical

here in my country, there are a lot of gay people, i have friends who are homosexuals and they are really nice, but our culture does not accept them getting married.we as a people ain't ready for that just yet..

i agree that everyone has the right to choose. but give too much freedom to people and the tendency is it is going to be abused. if this goes on, maybe the next weird thing we'll see is man-chicken marriage or sumthing like that..that's freaky

There are many, many examples of homosexual activity in the animal kingdom. Whether you like it or not, it is scientifically accepted as a natural occurance.

And as for gay marriages and producing children, given that we have a huge population problem and million of kids go homeless or live in orphanages or foster care with no one to care for them, the arguement that we need more people getting together to make more kids is not going to get you very far for very long.

There's quite a difference between loving another human being and loving an animal. I doubt very seriously you could see yourself developing sexual feelings for a chicken of the opposite gender as yourself just as I cannot see myself developing sexual feelings for a chicken of the same sex.

As acceptance of homosexuality grows, more and more homosexual couples are entering into long lasting relationships. You also made no mention of the fact that over 50% of all heterosexual marriages seems to have been "superficial unions."

I fail to see where it is an abuse of freedom for two people to express their love in ceremony and I certainly don't see it as an abuse of freedom to want to have your union legally recognized so that you may be covered by health care, control property, and visit your loved one in the hospital if they are ever injured. I can certainly see the abuse of freedom in people dictating what people can and cannot do in a situation that does not concern them, however.

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Quote by KuzainLegally, that is a valid arguement. But I was referring to those who might think that creating an institution just like marriage but called by a different name would be the perfect solution. So long as it is called by a different name, it will imply a different kind of love and commitment and so long as it does that, it isn't acceptable.

Why have the government involved at all?

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Well in my opinion, I don't like the idea because, I think that a man was made for a woman, and a woman was made for a man; but that doesn't mean that I hate homosexuals.

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Quote by KuzainLegally, that is a valid arguement. But I was referring to those who might think that creating an institution just like marriage but called by a different name would be the perfect solution. So long as it is called by a different name, it will imply a different kind of love and commitment and so long as it does that, it isn't acceptable.


Why have the government involved at all?

I would agree with this in some respects. I don't believe the government should be involved in sanctioning unions between any two people, heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. But for that to happen, I would like to see laws in place that protect unions and I would want these to be unbiased towards sexual orientation. This is a needed evil. Currently, there are hospitals that will not admit a same-sex life partner into seeing a dying partner because it's "family only" and if a homosexual dies, their life-partner can be left with nothing because they have no rights to claim property without a living will (as opposed to a married couple in which the spouse is assumed the next of kin without a will) and often time do not have a say in funeral arrangements (and many bigoted familes will deny a life-partner from attending). Government needs to be in play to protect these rights and I want them protected equally. So long as Government sanctions marriage for heterosexuals, I think it should sanction them for homosexuals.

Personally, I don't believe marriage should have legal status. I think "common law marriage" should be the only thing to determine the issues I spoke of above and I think those rules should apply equally to homosexual and heterosexual couples. I think this would be a better system because it removes marriage (which is a religous institution) from government rule and because "common law marriage" relies upon how long you have lived together and been involved which means it will stop superficial relationships from gaining legal signifigance just because the couple went through a ceremony.

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Some several people said in this thread that marriage is for the procreation of children, Natural procreation might I add.

So does that mean a woman who is infertile or a man who is sterile should never be allowed to marry either because they could never procreate?

Does that mean that nature created junk?

Be careful of the generalizations you make.

As for me, I fall into that category of not being able to naturally procreate because of a genetic issue. Nice to know that people think that marriage is only for building a legitimate out-of-the-mother's womb family. Thanks for essentially telling me that I shouldn't marry someday.

Also, abandoned children from failed het marriages are no better off than adopted children in a same sex marriage.

Also, there are plenty of het couples who marry because they didn't use protection and the woman got pregnant and married to save face. That's also not any better than two guys or girls marrying out of love.

Please, people, yes I understand what everyone's trying say, but really now.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

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Quote by Rebel428I am against it. There are many reasons I feel this way, but these two are the biggest:
1) The family unit is the basic unit of society, and has been throughout the history of humanity. Outside of adoption, same-sex marriages cannot become families. Those who desire same-sex marriage do not desire to start a family anyway - they're mostly only doing it for the sex; being that marriage benefits are intended to encourage family building, there is no reason for homosexuals to be married.
2) This one should seem fairly obvious, but it apparently isn't. Certain male "parts" are designed to work with and complement certain female "parts," for the purpose of procreation. Both are obviously not present in a single sex relationship.
Despite my opinion, I -do- believe that homosexuals do deserve the respect due to all human beings. However, because it is both unnatural and destructive to society, homosexuality should most definitely be discouraged.

Its not just an issue of family, its more of taxes, and if one member of a gay couple dies, that the partner gets the stuff, rather than the other persons family. And A LOT of straight couples are in it just for sex, or money, or power, etc.

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Quote by KuzainBut for that to happen, I would like to see laws in place that protect unions and I would want these to be unbiased towards sexual orientation. This is a needed evil. Currently, there are hospitals that will not admit a same-sex life partner into seeing a dying partner because it's "family only".

The problem is with the hospitals, then. Not the government.

Quote by Kuzainand if a homosexual dies, their life-partner can be left with nothing because they have no rights to claim property without a living will (as opposed to a married couple in which the spouse is assumed the next of kin without a will) and often time do not have a say in funeral arrangements (and many bigoted familes will deny a life-partner from attending).

A living will involves health care and life support decisions. A "Last Will and Testament" I believe is what you are actually referring to, which is something pretty much everyone technically ought to have anyhow.

Quote by KuzainGovernment needs to be in play to protect these rights and I want them protected equally. So long as Government sanctions marriage for heterosexuals, I think it should sanction them for homosexuals.

Not really. It is silly to try to have the government expand any influence that they already shouldn't have. It makes a lot more sense to instead force the government out of the marriage business altogether.

Quote by KuzainPersonally, I don't believe marriage should have legal status. I think "common law marriage" should be the only thing to determine the issues I spoke of above and I think those rules should apply equally to homosexual and heterosexual couples. I think this would be a better system because it removes marriage (which is a religous institution) from government rule and because "common law marriage" relies upon how long you have lived together and been involved which means it will stop superficial relationships from gaining legal signifigance just because the couple went through a ceremony.

A quick nitpick: Government recognition of union is entirely unnecessary in this respect. In fact, the only reason "superficial relationships" (sham marriages) take place is because the government has too many laws in place that give disproportionate amounts of benefit to people who are married. Such socialist elements ought to be cut anyhow, but that gets into theory of governing (me being a staunch fiscal conservative and government-minimalist) and thus goes offtopic.

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i support it fully. I don't care about "*whine* Well marriages are just to create babies *whine whine*". The world is already overpopulated. More people should adopt. There are thousands of kids out there of all ages without a family of thier own.

And a marriage in this day an age is about love, not about making babies (though that is involved if the couple decides to do so). So what if two people of the same sex love each other?

i have no hatred against people who hate same sex marriages and homosexuality, it just saddens me that people can't be more open-minded. If people can accept homosexuality, regardless of whether they personally approve of it or not, then I think the world would be a better place.

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when people get hella uptight about things, they have something to hide ;)

dont worry you guys...this'll fade in the future...there will be acceptance, ignorant people just need to tackle their fear....and when it IS accepted(we got over civil rights, didnt we?...just took alot of sweat and blood), those who have hated will be villified and feel mighty stupid...until then, those of us who support same-sex marriage and see it for the union of love that it is must fight and protest any way we can!!!!! go PFLAG!!

I go with the old saying "God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve." thats all I will say on this subject.

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And how do you even know that there IS a God who made the proverbial Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve?

Because the Bible says so?

I'm VERY skeptical about believing that man was created out of a bit of earth and dust and breathed life into him and from a rib of that man, created Eve.

But maybe I'm the only one who thinks that sounds a bit off the wall.

Quote by Mazoku85I go with the old saying "God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve." thats all I will say on this subject.

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Kuzain

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Quote by ZadkhiAnd how do you even know that there IS a God who made the proverbial Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve?
Because the Bible says so?
I'm VERY skeptical about believing that man was created out of a bit of earth and dust and breathed life into him and from a rib of that man, created Eve.
But maybe I'm the only one who thinks that sounds a bit off the wall.

Quote by Mazoku85I go with the old saying "God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve." thats all I will say on this subject.

Especially when you consider that the bible has been chopped up and mixed up and translated incorrectly. The average Christian doesn't even know that the first woman was Lilith, not Eve. In fact, Eve was third.

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Quote by Kuzain

Quote by ZadkhiAnd how do you even know that there IS a God who made the proverbial Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve?
Because the Bible says so?
I'm VERY skeptical about believing that man was created out of a bit of earth and dust and breathed life into him and from a rib of that man, created Eve.
But maybe I'm the only one who thinks that sounds a bit off the wall.

Quote by Mazoku85I go with the old saying "God made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve." thats all I will say on this subject.

Especially when you consider that the bible has been chopped up and mixed up and translated incorrectly. The average Christian doesn't even know that the first woman was Lilith, not Eve. In fact, Eve was third.

^^;;; *sweatdrop*

Yeap yeap. There's a long long history to Christianity. But seriously. How do we know that people were created in the terms stated in Genesis?

I don't like religious arguments based on that reason because it's completely an assumption. I mean, there's more evidence that humans are closely related to chimps rather than people were created via God and the dust and... yeah.

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